Everyone should sign this petition

[IrishinSyria]

https://www.change.org/p/quicken-lo...ans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2

 

[woolybug25]

Haha... That will end well.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You know they're really top notch when they include Obama's middle name in CAPS.

 

[GoIrish41]

Someone needs to save these idiots from themselves -- why not Quicken Loans?

 

[IrishLax]

 

[IrishinSyria]

You know they're really top notch when they include Obama's middle name in CAPS.

I thought this tweet was appropriate...

Tim Steller ✔ ‎@senyorreporter
Wizard-level troll starts petition calling for site of Republican Natoinal Convention to allow open carry. https://www.change.org/p/quicken-lo...ans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2 …

I mean you can't fault the guy's logic. If any of the candidates actually believe a word they say, this should be something they're all screaming for.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I thought this tweet was appropriate...


I mean you can't fault the guy's logic. If any of the candidates actually believe a word they say, this should be something they're all screaming for.

heh

 

[GoldenDomer]

I guess it's easy to say "lol ya check these morons out", but if you can carry outside the arena, why not inside? Do the bullets become dangerous indoors?

 

[greyhammer90]

Do the bullets become dangerous indoors?

Higher crowd density/limited exits. So yeah its more dangerous.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Higher crowd density/limited exits. So yeah its more dangerous.

I guess... plenty of people outside the arena, especially when there is such an event going on.

 

[JTLA]

I guess... plenty of people outside the arena, especially when there is such an event going on.

This sign was posted outside the CPAC while Wayne LaPierre spoke.

My question is, Why?
Is the answer "Because it's safer"?
Oh ok, I'm sure you have lots of factual and helpful things to say you nutjob.

 

[GoldenDomer]

This sign was posted outside the CPAC while Wayne LaPierre spoke.

My question is, Why?
Is the answer "Because it's safer"?
Oh ok, I'm sure you have lots of factual and helpful things to say you nutjob.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying

 

[Circa]

Is this happening?

 

[JTLA]

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying

I'm saying, why are guns not permitted in a room being led by the leader of the NRA?

I believe the answer is - for reasons of safety and security.

My point would be - why not apply that principal to the rest of our lives?

They have been selling the idea that they only way to be safe is to have more guns and more good guys with guns. Surely they have enough guns to keep the NRA safe? Enough 'good guys with a gun' to keep everyone safe?

They are full of shit and this sign proves it.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I'm saying, why are guns not permitted in a room being led by the leader of the NRA?

I believe the answer is - for reasons of safety and security.

My point would be - why not apply that principal to the rest of our lives?

They have been selling the idea that they only way to be safe is to have more guns and more good guys with guns. Surely they have enough guns to keep the NRA safe? Enough 'good guys with a gun' to keep everyone safe?

They are full of shit and this sign proves it.

I would assume it wasn't their decision. Probably something to do with the venue in which CPAC was held, just like Quicken Loans Arena not allowing it. If it was up to them, I'm sure they wouldn't put that sign up.

 

[phgreek]

I'm saying, why are guns not permitted in a room being led by the leader of the NRA?

I believe the answer is - for reasons of safety and security.

My point would be - why not apply that principal to the rest of our lives?

They have been selling the idea that they only way to be safe is to have more guns and more good guys with guns. Surely they have enough guns to keep the NRA safe? Enough 'good guys with a gun' to keep everyone safe?

They are full of shit and this sign proves it.

Was this sign posted at an NRA-owned facility?

Edit...GoldenDomer beat me to it...so the answer is Obviously NO.

while the NRA may indeed be full of shit, your installment of "proof" is NOT supportive of that line of thought.

 

[GoIrish41]

I guess it's easy to say "lol ya check these morons out", but if you can carry outside the arena, why not inside? Do the bullets become dangerous indoors?

Trump has already predicted violence if he doesn't win -- and plenty of folks have openly discussed making sure he doesn't get the nomination. There has been a lot of violence at Trump events this primary season. Why anyone would want guns inside this event is simply beyond my comprehension.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Trump has already predicted violence if he doesn't win -- and plenty of folks have openly discussed making sure he doesn't get the nomination. There has been a lot of violence at Trump events this primary season. Why anyone would want guns inside this event is simply beyond my comprehension.

There will certainly be an outrage if they steal the nomination from him, but assuming that Stalingrad II will commence inside Quicken Loans Arena seems a bit much to me.

Anyways, I wasn't advocating for guns being allowed, I was just questioning the logic that it's dangerous to allow guns inside but perfectly safe to allow them outside. There could be violence at any time the crowd isn't inside the building.

 

[GoIrish41]

There will certainly be an outrage if they steal the nomination from him, but assuming that Stalingrad II will commence inside Quicken Loans Arena seems a bit much to me.

Anyways, I wasn't advocating for guns being allowed, I was just questioning the logic that it's dangerous to allow guns inside but perfectly safe to allow them outside. There could be violence at any time the crowd isn't inside the building.

Didn't mean to misrepresent your point. I probably should have made it clear that I was making a general statement, not one aimed at you. But, to your point, it is not perfectly safe to have them outside the arena, either. This country just seems to have a raging gun boner and makes stupid decisions that are contrary to public safety. Among these decisions should not be allowing guns into this convention. It would be a terrible idea.

 

[phgreek]

Trump has already predicted violence if he doesn't win -- and plenty of folks have openly discussed making sure he doesn't get the nomination. There has been a lot of violence at Trump events this primary season. Why anyone would want guns inside this event is simply beyond my comprehension.

Does anyone really want them...anyone in a position to ask, that is...or is this a hoax? Not saying people didn't petition...but who started it?

 

[GoIrish41]

Does anyone really want them...anyone in a position to ask, that is...or is this a hoax? Not saying people didn't petition...but who started it?

Sounds to me like the extension of the threat Trump made if he does not win. Nothing surprises me anymore with this election. I certainly could be wrong about this, but according to a posted story, 32000 people signed the petition. The survey itself claims 40000+. Pretty elaborate hoax if that's the case.

Bottom of the petition says it was started by a group called Hypernationalist.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Does anyone really want them...anyone in a position to ask, that is...or is this a hoax? Not saying people didn't petition...but who started it?

My money is on someone from either the far right or far left.

 

[phgreek]

Sounds to me like the extension of the threat Trump made if he does not win. Nothing surprises me anymore with this election. I certainly could be wrong about this, but according to a posted story, 32000 people signed the petition. The survey itself claims 40000+. Pretty elaborate hoax if that's the case.

Bottom of the petition says it was started by a group called Hypernationalist.

I'm sure there are 132,000 people who will sign a petition a certain way w/o a second thought...but was said petition generated by someone in a position to make that request formally on behalf of Trump?

 

[GoIrish41]

I'm sure there are 132,000 people who will sign a petition a certain way w/o a second thought...but was said petition generated by someone in a position to make that request formally on behalf of Trump?

Does it matter who it was on behalf of? A shitload of people signed the petition. That alone should give us pause. Maybe it wasn't the candidates and it was just the average Joe Sixpack voters. Let's hear the candidates condemn this effort. Will they do that, or will they support the "constitutional" rights of their party members even though this is a clearly flawed idea?

 

[IrishinSyria]

This is the operative language, I think:

4. From Reince Priebus and the Republican National Committee: An explanation of how a venue so unfriendly to Second Amendment rights was chosen for the Republican Convention. Further, we demand a contingency plan to relocate the convention to another location should the Quicken Loans Arena refuse to honor the constitutional rights of the RNC guests to open carry firearms during the convention.

5. From all Republican candidates for President: You have been brave in raising awareness about the immense dangers posed by "gun-free zones." In order to ensure the safety of your supporters, delegates and all attendees at the convention in July, you must call upon the RNC to rectify this affront to our Second Amendment freedoms and insist upon a suspension of the Quicken Loans Arena's unconstitutional "gun-free zone" loophole. Every American is endowed with a God-given Constitutional right to carry a gun wherever and whenever they please.

I think it's pretty obvious why guns at the convention would be a terrible idea. But it's really really hard to draw a principled distinction between the elimination of gun free zones in general and the support for this gun free zone in particular. So what the petition is doing (behind a brilliantly deadpan layer of satire) is calling for an explanation: let the RNC and the candidates articulate what makes guns a problem in this particular context but not a problem in, say, the context of a school or a movie theater or a sports game, which is exactly what the party leadership is calling for.

 

[irish1958]

This is the operative language, I think:




I think it's pretty obvious why guns at the convention would be a terrible idea. But it's really really hard to draw a principled distinction between the elimination of gun free zones in general and the support for this gun free zone in particular. So what the petition is doing (behind a brilliantly deadpan layer of satire) is calling for an explanation: let the RNC and the candidates articulate what makes guns a problem in this particular context but not a problem in, say, the context of a school or a movie theater or a sports game, which is exactly what the party leadership is calling for.

Exactly: sehttps://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/151/Reductio_ad_Absurdume

 

[phgreek]

Does it matter who it was on behalf of? A shitload of people signed the petition. That alone should give us pause. Maybe it wasn't the candidates and it was just the average Joe Sixpack voters. Let's hear the candidates condemn this effort. Will they do that, or will they support the "constitutional" rights of their party members even though this is a clearly flawed idea?

I really don't know what will come of it from the perspective of those in leadership positions.

If you are claiming that people who blindly sign a petition based on one issue as strictly a Republican thing...well ok, I certainly don't see it that way...nor do most people. As well, if tallying those numbers is construed as a statement about the party itself...I don't agree there either.

My response to this issue would be, hey, respect the wishes of the owners of the venue, and STFU. You most certainly can have a conversation wherein you hold the belief that gun-free zones are generally a bad idea, but respect the wishes of the owners of a place we intend to rent...a place we rented knowing full well they won't allow weapons. If your folks get upset, you simply nod and say, ok, next time we'll rent a rodeo arena, because thats about the only place that would allow what you are asking for at this point in time. Folks there is a difference between how it is and how you think it ought to be. I'm ok with a Rodeo arena, but are all of you? Shrug. Refer back to the part where I said STFU, and lets move on.

I mean why are people such pussies about stuff all the time...just say it. I doubt that'll happen, but I hope the RNC does something similar. If they honestly get sucked into a ridiculous trap, then I will be ashamed of them.

 

[kmoose]

Sounds to me like the extension of the threat Trump made if he does not win. Nothing surprises me anymore with this election. I certainly could be wrong about this, but according to a posted story, 32000 people signed the petition. The survey itself claims 40000+. Pretty elaborate hoax if that's the case.

Bottom of the petition says it was started by a group called Hypernationalist.

Hyperbole much? Trump didn't make any threats about violence if he didn't win.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I really don't know what will come of it from the perspective of those in leadership positions.

If you are claiming that people who blindly sign a petition based on one issue as strictly a Republican thing...well ok, I certainly don't see it that way...nor do most people. As well, if tallying those numbers is construed as a statement about the party itself...I don't agree there either.

My response to this issue would be, hey, respect the wishes of the owners of the venue, and STFU. You most certainly can have a conversation wherein you hold the belief that gun-free zones are generally a bad idea, but respect the wishes of the owners of a place we intend to rent...a place we rented knowing full well they won't allow weapons. If your folks get upset, you simply nod and say, ok, next time we'll rent a rodeo arena, because thats about the only place that would allow what you are asking for at this point in time. Folks there is a difference between how it is and how you think it ought to be. I'm ok with a Rodeo arena, but are all of you? Shrug. Refer back to the part where I said STFU, and lets move on.

I mean why are people such pussies about stuff all the time...just say it. I doubt that'll happen, but I hope the RNC does something similar. If they honestly get sucked into a ridiculous trap, then I will be ashamed of them.

The petition is an A+ troll job. But the point is pretty solid. If you think that gun free zones are unconstitutional, why support a place that creates one?

 

[phgreek]

The petition is an A+ troll job. But the point is pretty solid. If you think that gun free zones are unconstitutional, why support a place that creates one?

Are there many places in Ohio that can support a function that have an open carry policy that aren't Pro Rodeo venues?

Mature people understand this as two separate initiatives, well, or they should...1) the logistics of having a function in a defined place for a strategic reason; 2) politics of one aspect of the facilities in that place. Again mature people can handle the concept that they can still fight to change the laws if the so desire, but also accept they aren't changed yet, and business must be conducted...pretty simple really, and neither contradictory nor hypocritical in my view.

Seems to me having the Republican nomination occur in Ohio, and building buzz in Ohio and winning the election, gaining up to three SCOTUS justices, and getting exactly what you want LATER makes way more sense...and in keeping with the Rodeo theme...Republicans just need to walk down the hill, so to speak. ...Or they can get suckered into a waste of time fight that can't be won or settled on this venue issue. I think the latter would be dumb, and even dumber if Republicans get manipulated into it by people who clearly want to make this into something it just isn't...

As for the wisdom of having guns indoors...I'd tell people to kiss my ass if it were my facility. I'm an advocate of carry, but indoors at a function like this, I want MY people the only ones carrying. And that will be the one thing that will stand IMHO...Private property owners will always determine the carry policy...maybe to their own detriment at times, but that is not going to change....so this is a lot about nuthin' really.