Does Vick deserves a second chance?

[onenybrother]

NFL star Vick leaves prison for home confinement - NFL - Yahoo! Sports.

 

[Sureal]

He deserves a right to earn a second chance. He doesn't deserve a second chance.

 

[fightinirish68]

i mean they gave pacman umpteen chances...

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Yes, if Leonard Little is still in the league and Ray Lewis can win a MVP. Then, yes.

 

[jason_h537]

He deserves a right to earn a second chance. He doesn't deserve a second chance.

agree

 

[Quinntastic]

Oy - I can see this thread going downhill fast...

 

[jason_h537]

Oy - I can see this thread going downhill fast...

Agree

 

[BGIF]

Does Vick deserves a second chance?

Both our Justice and Penal Systems are predicated on that concept.

Vick has a P.O. and 3 years of probation to go. He has a $10/hr construction job and is being monitored. Sounds like he's done his mandated time and is fulfilling the terms of his parole.

PETA complaining he's not contrite enough for them has no standing unless they're on his parole board. Then they'd need to recuse themselves for conflict of interest.

The nature of his crime isn't related to football and gambling ala Paul Hornung, Alex Karras , or Art Schlichter. He didn't have a Peter Rose problem. Hornung and Karras sat out a year.

Someone in the article noted they didn't like the company he kept in the past. Again that's up to his P.O. I would imagine ex-cons and bookies are off limits for him.

He's also back working with foundations for underprivileged kids.


In 1973 the Detroit Tigers signed a prospect to a contract. He was an inmate doing 5-15 for armed robbery in the Michigan Penal System. Ron Le Flore played 6 major league seasons.

 

[bert2834]

I think he should get a second chance. If a team wants to give him a tryout, then why not?

 

[ARALOU]

Yes. He should get a chance to turn his life around.

 

[JeremyND07]

I am sure all of us would have no trouble finding a good job with his record and being on 3 years probation. ;-) If the NFL wants to get rid of these thugs they need to start running there business like everyone else. If you have a recrod you are not offered a job, period! Second chance at life yes! Second chance to make millions of dollars in the NFL, no!

 

[TDHeysus]

He has paid his debt to society (or in the process of completing his debt to society). After he completes that process, I feel like you have to respect that he has earned a 2nd chance.

I think he will come back and pick up right where he left off. Although its possible that he could play in the NFL this year, I dont think Goodell will reinstate him until next season

 

[BGIF]

... Although its possible that he could play in the NFL this year, I dont think Goodell will reinstate him until next season

Sounds reasonable.

I'm sure Vick needs an NFL salary for his financial obligations (even at the minimum) and might have a case for a lawsuit if they permantently banned him. I suspect Goodell could reasonably say something like, "Mr. Vick is currently on probation, as he complies with those terms and shows he has adjusted back to society the NFL will consider his possible participation in the future. Considering the physical demands and the mental stress of play as well as his current monitoring requirements this season is just too soon.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

He deserves a right to earn a second chance. He doesn't deserve a second chance.

Right on!

 

[fightinirish68]

hes way more likely to do a right now after that wrong

 

[JeremyND07]

hes way more likely to do a right now after that wrong

Not if he is a typical NFL player! I would be stuck working at McDonald's if I had his criminal record so he should be stuck doing the same...Arena League or which ever other 2nd rate pro league that will take him! He tortured animals!!! He did not steal something or get busted with drugs. Doing the things he did are reserved for the same pieces of crap that later abuse/murder humans. He commited a VERY serious crime and should be done in the NFL!!!!

 

[nlroma1o]

I think that Vick will be back playing in the NFL in no time. Realistically, he is still the same incredible athlete that he was before. With out a doubt someone will want to take Vick because along with Vick comes that buzz of publicity. And in the business world that the NFL is, sometimes even bad publicity is good publicity.

 

[goldandblue]

Sure he does. He was fighting dogs for goodness sakes not raping or killing people. I love dogs I have a Jack Russell that is almost like a child to me but personally it doesn't bother me that people fight Pit Bulls or Roosters or any other kind of animal for that matter.

 

[Quinntastic]

Sure he does. He was fighting dogs for goodness sakes not raping or killing people. I love dogs I have a Jack Russell that is almost like a child to me but personally it doesn't bother me that people fight Pit Bulls or Roosters or any other kind of animal for that matter.

*tip toes out of thread before it becomes a bloodbath*

 

[notredomer23]

I think the guy is a complete jackass but he deserves a second chance. He did the time for a crime he committed. As long as he has no other offenses, there is no reason he should not be able to play

 

[NDinL.A.]

Not if he is a typical NFL player! I would be stuck working at McDonald's if I had his criminal record so he should be stuck doing the same...Arena League or which ever other 2nd rate pro league that will take him! He tortured animals!!! He did not steal something or get busted with drugs. Doing the things he did are reserved for the same pieces of crap that later abuse/murder humans. He commited a VERY serious crime and should be done in the NFL!!!!

Actually, Michael Vick possesses a very unique skill set that you and I simply don't possess. So yeah, you and I might have trouble finding a job, but someone witha unique set of skills can find jobs, and lucrative ones at that.

Here's an example: A computer hacker who cost a state millions of dollars because of his being able to hack into their system and ruin or steal things gets caught and does 3 years in jail. Well, if he was brilliant, that very same state or other businesses might hire him to help protect their systems, AFTER HE DID HIS TIME.

Now, I know hacking is nowhere near the goriness of killing innocent animals, so I get your argument. But in my mind, he paid his debt to society that a federal judge mandated, and he has every right to prove himself able to become a law abiding citizen. And like I said, normal ex-cons might have trouble finding work, but a person with Michael Vick's skills will not...

 

[notredomer23]

Actually, Michael Vick possesses a very unique skill set that you and I simply don't possess. So yeah, you and I might have trouble finding a job, but someone witha unique set of skills can find jobs, and lucrative ones at that.

Here's an example: A computer hacker who cost a state millions of dollars because of his being able to hack into their system and ruin or steal things gets caught and does 3 years in jail. Well, if he was brilliant, that very same state or other businesses might hire him to help protect their systems, AFTER HE DID HIS TIME.

Now, I know hacking is nowhere near the goriness of killing innocent animals, so I get your argument. But in my mind, he paid his debt to society that a federal judge mandated, and he has every right to prove himself able to become a law abiding citizen. And like I said, normal ex-cons might have trouble finding work, but a person with Michael Vick's skills will not...

reppies brutha

 

[BGIF]

... And like I said, normal ex-cons might have trouble finding work, but a person with Michael Vick's skills will not...

Michael Milken was banned by the SEC (not the football conference) for almost 100 counts of securities fraud. He did his time (2yrs out of his 10 year sentence) and is worth over $2 billion. His occupation today - financier.

William J. Clinton isn't a felon he only lied under Oath and was disbarred. He had no problem getting work, makes a tidy income, and gets invited to the White House regardless of which party's in power.

Martha Stewart ...



And somebody call the ASPCA to find a home for that Jack Russell terrier.

 

[jason_h537]

Michael Milken was banned by the SEC (not the football conference) for almost 100 counts of securities fraud. He did his time (2yrs out of his 10 year sentence) and is worth over $2 billion. His occupation today - financier.

William J. Clinton isn't a felon he only lied under Oath and was disbarred. He had no problem getting work, makes a tidy income, and gets invited to the White House regardless of which party's in power.

Martha Stewart ...



And somebody call the ASPCA to find a home for that Jack Russell terrier.

He got punished, did his time. If he proves to the commish that he has indeed changed, let him play.

 

[goldandblue]

And somebody call the ASPCA to find a home for that Jack Russell terrier.

Ha Ha, sorry man he has a great home he's loved just like any other of the family. I am a dog lover I've had many. I've cried when something bad happened to them or I've had to put them down. I still do not have an issue with people fighting dogs and roosters. Some people breed horses to run races, Some people breed tigers to be in a circus, some people breed dogs to pull sleds, and some people breed dogs to fight. Personally it isn't my business what they do with them.

 

[mlcspinner]

the way I see it I have given Acamp 100 chances Vick can get at least one more

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether Vick is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

 

[TexasNDFan]

I totally agree, he's paying his debt to society and as long as he follows the rules then he should be given a chance to proof himself a better citizen. Now he needs to use Pacman as an example on how not to act; just shutup and line up where ever they tell you too, none of this I wanna play quarterback.

Both our Justice and Penal Systems are predicated on that concept.

Vick has a P.O. and 3 years of probation to go. He has a $10/hr construction job and is being monitored. Sounds like he's done his mandated time and is fulfilling the terms of his parole.

PETA complaining he's not contrite enough for them has no standing unless they're on his parole board. Then they'd need to recuse themselves for conflict of interest.

The nature of his crime isn't related to football and gambling ala Paul Hornung, Alex Karras , or Art Schlichter. He didn't have a Peter Rose problem. Hornung and Karras sat out a year.

Someone in the article noted they didn't like the company he kept in the past. Again that's up to his P.O. I would imagine ex-cons and bookies are off limits for him.

He's also back working with foundations for underprivileged kids.


In 1973 the Detroit Tigers signed a prospect to a contract. He was an inmate doing 5-15 for armed robbery in the Michigan Penal System. Ron Le Flore played 6 major league seasons.