Do we need take a QB this year?

[pkt77242]

This question seems to be generating lots of discussion on different threads, so I thought I would make one place to talk about it. Do we need to take a QB this year or not?

I say yes, and posted this in the Mauk vs Kiel thread.

History says that at least one of the QB's on our roster will transfer or change positions (basically not be back next year) This could happen in a couple of ways:
Crist has a great year and goes pro
Crist gets hurt and/or loses starting job and is not brought back for a fifth year
Rees gets passed by Hendrix or Golson and transfers
Hendrix gets passed by Golson and Transfers
Golson gets buried on the depth chart and transfers or changes position (not as likely to happen this coming year but the year after if he is still #3 or 4 it could).

Or any combo of the 2 scenarios

Taking a QB every year is prudent.

 

[pkt77242]

obviously I suck at grammer, will a MOD please make the thread title

Do we need to take a QB this year?

sorry

 

[GBdomer]

no. next year. unless Gunner or Cyler Miles wants to come. the answer is no.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

no. next year. unless Gunner or Cyler Miles wants to come. the answer is no.

I agree.

Gunner or Cyler.

I don't want Mauk to get caught up in our depth.

 

[ThePiombino]

Need? No. Should? Probably. We don't want any gaps in the QB depth chart. Last thing ND needs is a repeat of earlier last year. 1 QB per class SHOULD avoid that.

 

[Chicago Irish Fan]

Would I take one? Sure, depth never hurts. Do we need one? Not at all.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I agree that we're likely to lose a QB before 2012, and that it's generally prudent to take a QB every year.

But even if we lose two, our QB depth isn't dire. Massa can always move back to QB if we need him.

We should try to take a QB every year mainly because it's the most important position in sports, and we can't afford a QB recruit to go bust if we're only taking one every other year.

That being said, with our current depth chart, I don't see the need to "settle" on a QB that will be very unlikely to play in the next 2-3 years simply because we have to take one every year.

If we can get a guy that Kelly likes a lot, then great (Kiel, Miles, etc.) If not, I don't think it hurts us to skip QB this year. We can certainly use the scholarship in other areas.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I agree that we're likely to lose a QB before 2012, and that it's generally prudent to take a QB every year.

But even if we lose two, our QB depth isn't dire. Massa can always move back to QB if we need him.

We should try to take a QB every year mainly because it's the most important position in sports, and we can't afford a QB recruit to go bust if we're only taking one every other year.

That being said, with our current depth chart, I don't see the need to "settle" on a QB that will be very unlikely to play in the next 2-3 years simply because we have to take one every year.

If we can get a guy that Kelly likes a lot, then great (Kiel, Miles, etc.) If not, I don't think it hurts us to skip QB this year. We can certainly use the scholarship in other areas.

Couldnt agree more with this

 

[rtrn2glory]

it looks like everybody will take a QB if it's Kiel or Miles, but outside of them two they aren't willing to take a QB?

i'll take a QB if the staff thinks they've found one that fits their system well, but like everyone else if there isn't one that fits than use the scholly elsewhere.

 

[ThePiombino]

I agree that we're likely to lose a QB before 2012, and that it's generally prudent to take a QB every year.

But even if we lose two, our QB depth isn't dire. Massa can always move back to QB if we need him.

We should try to take a QB every year mainly because it's the most important position in sports, and we can't afford a QB recruit to go bust if we're only taking one every other year.

That being said, with our current depth chart, I don't see the need to "settle" on a QB that will be very unlikely to play in the next 2-3 years simply because we have to take one every year.

If we can get a guy that Kelly likes a lot, then great (Kiel, Miles, etc.) If not, I don't think it hurts us to skip QB this year. We can certainly use the scholarship in other areas.

I don't see how that (Massa) makes sense. By the time next year rolls around, he will have been a year removed from any QB experience. He'll be just as effective as taking in a true freshman. May as well take in a kid who is 2 years younger if you're going to spend the time training him.

As for having to or not to take a QB every year. I think this year is one of the few years in which ND could get away with not taking one. This is mainly because ND's depth is MOSTLY young- 1 true Soph, 1 RS Soph, 1 true Frosh. In addition to this, Crist technically could come back for a 5th year in 2012 as well.

I think that in order to avoid the situation we had earlier in the year (Michigan game) last year in which ND was down to 2 Frosh QBs and a walk-on, you need to recruit that position more regularly. Montana and Rees looked like deer in headlights in that game. If either of them had another year under their proverbial belts, that game very well could have ended differently. So please don't underestimate the value of having a consistent level of progression with our QBs that only recruiting one per year (with few exceptions) can provide.

 

[Zibby32]

One per year is the general rule. That way there is no gap in experience...perfect world though.

I would like them to take a run first, "project" thrower this year. A poor mans Tebow would be outstanding, thank you! lol

 

[woolybug25]

I'm surprised that so many people are saying no in the voting, but the consensus in the comments is yes. Strange.

For the record, I am with the sentiment above. If Kiel or Miles are no-gos, then pick a kid with a ton of upside, but flying under the radar (like Kelly). Maybe even get a kid that would provide depth at other positions and contribute to special teams (like Massa).

 

[military_irish]

I think the main word is "need", I don't think ND "needs" to take a QB this cycle. But if their is a can't miss talent then go for him full steam.

The average team has a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string QB's. ND already has four, if they take one this cycle in 2012 they could possibly have 5 very legitimate QB's on the roster.

The main question would be, could a QB this cycle compete or pass up a current QB on the depth chart?

 

[NDsuperfan09]

Nope. Next year we could see Crist, Rees, Hendrix and Golson all return. Unless someone transfers I think we can afford to pass on a QB this cycle.

 

[woolybug25]

Nope. Next year we could see Crist, Rees, Hendrix and Golson all return. Unless someone transfers I think we can afford to pass on a QB this cycle.

So playing devil's advocate here, because none of us can truly see into the future, but say the following happens next season.

1) Crist blows out a knee for the fourth time (1 in hs, 2 at ND), essentially ending his football career. I hate to mention this, but another knee injury shouldnt come as a shock for a guy that has had so many. I pray this doesn't happen and Crist has a long and prosperous career, but we cannot sweep the possibility under the rug.
2) Golson passes Hendrix and/or Rees on the depth chart, leading to 1 or two transfers.
3) We didn't take a QB in the class.

How does our depth look now?

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

I voted no, but Kelly said he's going to take one every year. Gunner would be ideal. That's it.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think as much as some of us think that we aren't going to take a QB this year if the right one isn't available it is becoming inevidable that Coach Kelly will take one. don't count out the fact that if whoever takes the majority of the snaps this year has a good year we may be able to sneak late into the game with a top QB (like Golson last year) and land a soild signal caller...eitherway if i had to put money on it i'd say we will be taking a quarterback.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Scout is reporting that we've offered Bennie Coney a QB from Florida.

got offers from a couple of SEC schools as well as others.

Calls the ND offer big:

Scout.com: Irish offer big for Coney

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'm surprised that so many people are saying no in the voting, but the consensus in the comments is yes. Strange.

Probably the because the question isn't "should ND take a QB this year?" or "would you like ND to take a QB this year?" or "should ND accept a commitment from Kiel, Mauk or Miles?" or even "if ND can't get Kiel, Mauk or Miles, would you like to see them take a project QB?"

The question was does ND NEED to take a QB this year, and I think even if you would like to see them take one it is hard to argue that they NEED one. Right now with the 4 guys on the roster they could have one in each class of '12 (Crist), '13 (Rees), '14 (Hendrix) and '15 (Golson). So yes, if you could get a guy that is can't-miss or is made for your system, take him. But I don't think we NEED to take a QB this year.

 

[PigtownIrish]

Scout is reporting that we've offered Bennie Coney a QB from Florida.

got offers from a couple of SEC schools as well as others.

Calls the ND offer big:

Scout.com: Irish offer big for Coney

Kelly is going to take a QB even if it isn't Gunner or Mauk. There are great prospects like Coney out there for the taking.

 

[woolybug25]

Scout is reporting that we've offered Bennie Coney a QB from Florida.

got offers from a couple of SEC schools as well as others.

Calls the ND offer big:

Scout.com: Irish offer big for Coney

I didn't know about this kid until you posted it. This would be a great fallback. Great offer list, great measurables, fits the system and is psyched about his offer. I dig.. I dig...

 

[ACamp1900]

It's always good to take one... and I think it is fair to say we aren't deep in terms of the style of QB BK and CO. like to run with but the key word here is "need"... I'd say no.

 

[woolybug25]

I think the word "need" is warping the actual meaning of this thread. I mean, there are not many positions where we "need" to rectruit to avoid doomsday. Technically, if we have one qb on the roster, we dont "need" to have another, but it would be idiotic to not get a backup.

From reading his original post and his previous view on this matter (which I share), I believe he is asking if we think that we should get a qb this year or not?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If you try to get into Kelly's mind on this [by following the recruiting offers on the one hand and his comments about current players on the other], you'd say "Need? No. Want? Yes."

One assumes that we're using "need" properly as a strong necessity.

 

[ACamp1900]

that is my understanding... "need" puts it on the same level as say, DBs in this class... we have QB dpeth right now... we don't have DB depth... so basically if we don't take a QB this year it won't be a tragedy let's put it that way... BUT if BK and Co. can get a guy they like take him.

 

[GreatGolson]

with all the offers out i think the coaching staff thinks so. also, welcome back Acamp! youve been missed amigo. Im sure somebody will send you a lengthy PM about what you have missed, (most likely OMM) good to have you back

 

[ACamp1900]

with all the offers out i think the coaching staff thinks so. also, welcome back Acamp! youve been missed amigo. Im sure somebody will send you a lengthy PM about what you have missed, (most likely OMM) good to have you back

I was gone?????

lol

 

[GreatGolson]

^idk i feel like i havent seen you in a while, of course, Finals often give a 2 week period the feeling of 5 months

 

[kmoose]

This question seems to be generating lots of discussion on different threads, so I thought I would make one place to talk about it. Do we need to take a QB this year or not?

I say yes, and posted this in the Mauk vs Kiel thread.

History says that at least one of the QB's on our roster will transfer or change positions (basically not be back next year) This could happen in a couple of ways:
Crist has a great year and goes pro
Crist gets hurt and/or loses starting job and is not brought back for a fifth year
Rees gets passed by Hendrix or Golson and transfers
Hendrix gets passed by Golson and Transfers
Golson gets buried on the depth chart and transfers or changes position (not as likely to happen this coming year but the year after if he is still #3 or 4 it could).

So, if I am understanding correctly....

you think that we are likely to lose depth at the QB position because we have too many good players at that position.

So we need to bring another (presumably) good athlete in at that position?

That makes sense.

 

[Old Man Mike]

ACamp: Dayne has these little lapses and doesn't like to read more than four or five word comments, so forgive him.