Dec 29 | College Football Playoff Semifinal | Clemson

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You are aware that Dex was avg. 4 yds/carry at half, right?

Food for thought. Book was the only starting QB with a TO in the semi playoffs. He had 2.

He was also the only QB who had less than 8 yds/att. It was 4.7 :( I guess missing Boykin and Jafar for WIDE open td’s was poor game planning, lol. Should scheme them more wide open next time, darn it.

And Book was sacked 6 times and was running for his life the whole game. But you're right. After he fimbled and committed a penalty to start the game, Fex had some nice runs.
 

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And Book was sacked 6 times and was running for his life the whole game. But you're right. After he fimbled and committed a penalty to start the game, Fex had some nice runs.

He was not running for his life all game. His lone pick was with a perfectly clean pocket and a 3 man rush. That was directly after he took a 10+ yard sack outside the pocket solely because he didn’t just toss it out of bounds.

All QB’s experience pressure, good QB’s deals with it. Move in the pocket, get rid of the ball, etc. Book took a 15 yard sack outside the pocket when all he had to do was throw it out of bounds. That is 100% his fault. Lawrence was sacked 3 times and pressured more. He also threw the ball away a bunch, didn’t fumble, and didn’t throw a pick when he had a clean pocket because he was scared.
 
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He was not running for his life all game. His lone pick was with a perfectly clean pocket and a 3 man rush. That was directly after he took a 10+ yard sack outside the pocket solely because he didn’t just toss it out of bounds.

All QB’s experience pressure, good QB’s deals with it. Move in the pocket, get rid of the ball, etc. Book took a 15 yard sack outside the pocket when all he had to do was throw it out of bounds. That is 100% his fault. Lawrence was sacked 3 times and pressured more. He also threw the ball away a bunch, didn’t fumble, and didn’t throw a pick when he had a clean pocket because he was scared.

I think the staff put together a game plan better suited for Wimbush than Book. However, O-Line play was the reason Book struggled IMO.
 

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He was not running for his life all game. His lone pick was with a perfectly clean pocket and a 3 man rush. That was directly after he took a 10+ yard sack outside the pocket solely because he didn’t just toss it out of bounds.

All QB’s experience pressure, good QB’s deals with it. Move in the pocket, get rid of the ball, etc. Book took a 15 yard sack outside the pocket when all he had to do was throw it out of bounds. That is 100% his fault. Lawrence was sacked 3 times and pressured more. He also threw the ball away a bunch, didn’t fumble, and didn’t throw a pick when he had a clean pocket because he was scared.

Don't forget the elbow to the throat for the 3rd time that day. He was shaken, who knows how much...
 

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I think the staff put together a game plan better suited for Wimbush than Book. However, O-Line play was the reason Book struggled IMO.

Yes, I've seen several articles stating that our offensive line flat out got 'worked'. That was the word I saw more than once.
I'm not knowledgeable enough watching the game to make blanket statements. I have to base my opinions on reading football writers and their opinions seem to match yours.
 
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Yes, I've seen several articles stating that our offensive line flat out got 'worked'. That was the word I saw more than once.
I'm not knowledgeable enough watching the game to make blanket statements. I have to base my opinions on reading football writers and their opinions seem to match yours.

Need to see these. Several Is more than 3 right?
 
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Lmao at UGA. Really hoping they lose this one, would be very fun to troll on them.
 

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A couple is two. Several is three.

I thought a few was three? Anyway, semantics.

I decided to take a few days to digest the loss before posting anything on here. I'm disappointed. I thought the game plan on offense was far too conservative at times.

-Thought we should have used a speedy guy on some of those outside quick screens.
-Dex ran well in the first half.
-Book left the pocket too soon a few times.
-Claypool makes that catch on the first series... just sets the tone. Seemed like it was destined to be one of those plays we made all season, and then we didn't.
-Those overturned calls... They were all right, expect for the fumble OOB. How one can say there was CLEAR evidence to overturn it is nuts. Irish grab a score there, it's a new ballgame.
-As Nazareth would say: Love hurts. Love scars. Ok ok, I kid around with that, but losing Love was just brutal. Worst part of all of it, Vaughn was in position a bunch of times, just couldn't make the play like Love would.
-By the 3rd quarter you could tell the players were defeated. It was hard to watch.
-Proud of the run defense. Really shut them down outside of the TD run, which was expected by that point with them having to try and keep us in the game the whole time.
-Once again, this gave the haters/doubters fuel for their usual" "Time to join a conference" "Shouldn't have been in it" "Georgia deserved it more." jabs. Which is why seeing UCF, Georgia, and Penn State lose (living in PA it's always a good day when PSU loses) was somewhat redeeming.
-Great season, and I expect the OL to make strides, WRs to get better, and the pass rush should be the same (Better with work obviously the goal). Disappointing to see it end this way. Losing was always a very real possibility, but a final score with a closer margin would have hurt less in the long run.
-Kelly. Is he the one? Maybe not, but the fact that after the game I saw people calling for his head again is ludicrous, 12-0 regular seasons twice, 10+ win seasons 3 of last 4. Building the roster up as we speak. It's really fucking hard to win a Natty in college football today. Including the upcoming game, the last 10 national champs have come from 5 combined teams... 3 of the 5 have caught lightning in a bottle for a season. So anyone bagging on Kelly and elite, right now there are 2 elite programs with a few others that can have a puncher's chance at knocking them off. ND had that puncher's chance with Clemson, but everything that could go wrong with injuries, breaks, replays, etc. did.
 
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I thought a few was three? Anyway, semantics.

I decided to take a few days to digest the loss before posting anything on here. I'm disappointed. I thought the game plan on offense was far too conservative at times.

-Thought we should have used a speedy guy on some of those outside quick screens.
-Dex ran well in the first half.
-Book left the pocket too soon a few times.
-Claypool makes that catch on the first series... just sets the tone. Seemed like it was destined to be one of those plays we made all season, and then we didn't.
-Those overturned calls... They were all right, expect for the fumble OOB. How one can say there was CLEAR evidence to overturn it is nuts. Irish grab a score there, it's a new ballgame.
-As Nazareth would say: Love hurts. Love scares. Ok ok, I kid around with that, but losing Love was just brutal. Worst part of all of it, Vaughn was in position a bunch of times, just couldn't make the play like Love would.
-By the 3rd quarter you could tell the players were defeated. It was hard to watch.
-Proud of the run defense. Really shut them down outside of the TD run, which was expected by that point with them having to try and keep us in the game the whole time.
-Once again, this gave the haters/doubters fuel for their usual" "Time to join a conference" "Shouldn't have been in it" "Georgia deserved it more." jabs. Which is why seeing UCF, Georgia, and Penn State lose (living in PA it's always a good day when PSU loses) was somewhat redeeming.
-Great season, and I expect the OL to make strides, WRs to get better, and the pass rush should be the same (Better with work obviously the goal). Disappointing to see it end this way. Losing was always a very real possibility, but a final score with a closer margin would have hurt less in the long run.
-Kelly. Is he the one? Maybe not, but the fact that after the game I saw people calling for his head again is ludicrous, 12-0 regular seasons twice, 10+ win seasons 3 of last 4. Building the roster up as we speak. It's really fucking hard to win a Natty in college football today. Including the upcoming game, the last 10 national champs have come from 5 combined teams... 3 of the 5 have caught lightning in a bottle for a season. So anyone bagging on Kelly and elite, right now there are 2 elite programs with a few others that can have a puncher's chance at knocking them off. ND had that puncher's chance with Clemson, but everything that could go wrong with injuries, breaks, replays, etc. did.

AGREE with everything you said!!!! but i believe that was a catch and fumble by alize....I got absolutely roasted by psu fans/friends about the game, karma came to my rescue and won

PS. James franklin sucks as a coach...he f#cked them at the end of the game lolololololol
 

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AGREE with everything you said!!!! but i believe that was a catch and fumble by alize....I got absolutely roasted by psu fans/friends about the game, karma came to my rescue and won

PS. James franklin sucks as a coach...he f#cked them at the end of the game lolololololol

I go back and forth about Mack. He was making a move, but did he "complete a football move?" Either way, what bothered me most about that play is something that happened a lot to our players all game. JUST HOLD ONTO THE BALL!!! Then there is no need for the replay, but yeah.

Franklin makes so many boneheaded mistakes it's hilarious! He is a really good rah rah guy, and seems to recruit well too. If he were to set himself up with some really top notch coordinators, PSU could be dangerous. I just think he is too proud to give up some of that control, and will continue to make mistakes.
 

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Is there any respectable person out there that thinks the ball was clearly out of bounds to merit over turning the call on the field? Also don't know how the Clemson TD is in as a catch if our's is not a catch and drop fumble. Seems those should have been called the same way to me. Very odd to have so many first half replays that really were inconclusive in review to me.

Love in or out was a huge difference - tale of two games defensively. On offense, we weren't going to score enough to win - Book did not play well.

I am encouraged on a lot of levels. Our D is legit, see no reason we can't continue to be legit on that side of the ball. Offensively - put Murray or Lawrence or Tua behind center and do we have an offense that can win a championship? I'm not so sure but we were in a league of our own on playoff QB talent, not in a good way. Outside of Dex I don't think anyone on offense threatened the Clemson D.
 

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/college-highest-graded-cotton-bowl-clemson-notre-dame

Surprise Clemson graded out higher than ND. Not sure what this means for OL

Top 5 in the game were all Clemson including two highly rated freshmen. 5 star WR and 6 star QB make big plays. Young talent - throw in 5 star WR sophomore Tee Higgins and you have something. Lots of youth making a huge difference, not just hanging on.


Our top 5 grades were defensive players ranging from 70-80 except for Hainsey edging out Pride for the fifth spot. Offense - 3 OL before Dex and Boykin round out the top 5. Hainsey as a sophomore but all others are upper classmen.

Young, high end talent executing at a high level - something we don't have.
 

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given the grades, can we expect a different outcome next year? Do'nt see ND having the offensive fire power that Clemson has. We won't have Dex. I think the Georgia game next year will be a bell weather.
 

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I watched the game again and honestly we played really well, at least defensively, until Love got hurt. Then the wheels fell off. We made them punt 3 of the first four drives and only gave up a FG. Love goes out and they score 3 passing TD. One after Gilman was injured which I think affected his play. Love comes back the 2nd half and they score 1 rushing TD, punt 3 times, and fumble. Outside of the 2nd quarter, we didn't get slaughtered.

Offensively, meh. Nothing went right on offense so I think we still lose but if the fumble isn't overturned, I think we lose 17-10.
 

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I watched the game again and honestly we played really well, at least defensively, until Love got hurt. Then the wheels fell off. We made them punt 3 of the first four drives and only gave up a FG. Love goes out and they score 3 passing TD. One after Gilman was injured which I think affected his play. Love comes back the 2nd half and they score 1 rushing TD, punt 3 times, and fumble. Outside of the 2nd quarter, we didn't get slaughtered.

Offensively, meh. Nothing went right on offense so I think we still lose but if the fumble isn't overturned, I think we lose 17-10.

Yes, It was a different game after, and I need to repeat after the ST fumble. We didn't get the replay booths approval on.
This may have been stated altho, has anyone known which conference was in the booth?
 

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Nice plug.
I'm not paying for anything after the seasons over unless they show real Coach tape.

After every game he does his re-watch notes, posted above. And his "film don't lie" article where he selects specific plays and includes the video. That's coming later in the week. He does a really good job, by far the best of the paid sites at breaking down film, IMO.
 

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-Those overturned calls... They were all right, expect for the fumble OOB. How one can say there was CLEAR evidence to overturn it is nuts. Irish grab a score there, it's a new ballgame.

There was absolutely nothing on the replays shown on the coverage that showed the ball out at all let alone with any certainty. At the time I assumed those in the box got to see an angle that we didnt but that doesnt explain why the commentators were saying it would be overturned.

On the other hand ND got a lucky one in the second half based on forward progress. The game was over by this point so it doesnt balance out.
 
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There was absolutely nothing on the replays shown on the coverage that showed the ball out at all let alone with any certainty. At the time I assumed those in the box got to see an angle that we didnt but that doesnt explain why the commentators where saying it would be overturned.

On the other hand ND got a lucky one in the second half based on forward progress. The game was over by this point so it doesnt balance out.

Yep, I remember that play. They gave us 1 and took It back immediately.
 
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I watched the game again and honestly we played really well, at least defensively, until Love got hurt. Then the wheels fell off. We made them punt 3 of the first four drives and only gave up a FG. Love goes out and they score 3 passing TD. One after Gilman was injured which I think affected his play. Love comes back the 2nd half and they score 1 rushing TD, punt 3 times, and fumble. Outside of the 2nd quarter, we didn't get slaughtered.

Offensively, meh. Nothing went right on offense so I think we still lose but if the fumble isn't overturned, I think we lose 17-10.

It was certainly bad timing, and the breaks didn't go our way. I was disappointed with our offensive adjustments in the second half. I thought the defense played well enough after the 2nd quarter debacle to at least give us a fighting chance, but we couldn't generate anything.
 

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After every game he does his re-watch notes, posted above. And his "film don't lie" article where he selects specific plays and includes the video. That's coming later in the week. He does a really good job, by far the best of the paid sites at breaking down film, IMO.

He does a really nice job of breaking down the games. He’s horrible to listen to...he says “you know” every other word. I can’t believe no one has pointed this out to him so he can correct it. I know his speaking ability isn’t why he was hired but it’s really bad IMO.
 
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