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Sharia law is horrible, water is wet. Drayer and #1 still unable to understand the difference. Otherwise, known as a day that ends in "y".
What you once again fail to comprehend is this. This is about people assimilating to the culture and laws of the country they migrate to. Muslims want to implement Sharia law and ignore the laws of the country. However, it appears many more share the same opinion. I'm seeing government officials in UK, Germany and another come out and speak against the Muslim communities not only unwilling to adapt to the culture and laws of the country, but wanting to instill their culture, laws and religion as the primary. Stopping traffic to pray in the street is okay? Using loudspeakers to chant is okay? Not sure why you think it's okay to do that and ignore the culture and laws of the country.

If you think it's just the extremist doing this, then there must be a lot of extremist. Why do they need to conduct marches and protests if they don't want to change the laws? Some of these are Muslims telling you what their intent it.






https://x.com/Carlos__Turcios/status/1916940848182555005
 

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What you once again fail to comprehend is this. This is about people assimilating to the culture and laws of the country they migrate to. Muslims want to implement Sharia law and ignore the laws of the country. However, it appears many more share the same opinion. I'm seeing government officials in UK, Germany and another come out and speak against the Muslim communities not only unwilling to adapt to the culture and laws of the country, but wanting to instill their culture, laws and religion as the primary. Stopping traffic to pray in the street is okay? Using loudspeakers to chant is okay? Not sure why you think it's okay to do that and ignore the culture and laws of the country.

If you think it's just the extremist doing this, then there must be a lot of extremist. Why do they need to conduct marches and protests if they don't want to change the laws? Some of these are Muslims telling you what their intent it.






https://x.com/Carlos__Turcios/status/1916940848182555005


Where is the proof of elected officials in these countries advocating for Sharia Law. Please show me where these officials are endorsing Sharia Law.

Plenty of protests or rallies shut down traffic all the time. Here's a few examples of Nazi rallies in the US, apparently there was 34 rallies held in the US last year.

I could only find 3 instances of Muslim prayer groups shutting down traffic. Would you like to catchup on your outrage for traffic violations and condemn Nazi's 11x harder than your anger for Muslims?

Do you understand the actual size of people who are Muslim? Like genuinely, can you comprehend how many followers there are? Do you honestly believe that a few hundred people are representative of an almost 2B follower religion?

So to be clear, I know you've dodged this the past 129421 times I've asked you, you are willing to brand Muslims by their most extremist members - yes or no. Do you think it is fair to do the same to Christians and Jews? yes or no. I've made it simple, just a yes or no.
 

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Once again with the Vortex. Every time you try to inject something else (Jews, Nazis, etc.) into the discussion and insist on an answer when you don’t have anything. Keep trying but I’m not biting.
 

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Once again with the Vortex. Every time you try to inject something else (Jews, Nazis, etc.) into the discussion and insist on an answer when you don’t have anything. Keep trying but I’m not biting.
I don't have anything? I asked you proof of Muslims that are trying to pass legislation that is based on Sharia Law. That's fully on subject, yeah? Can you manage a response to that?

I'm trying to understand your position and how you regard other religions in comparison. You being too scared to respond to a yes/no is sad, but expected.

I tried to ask you if you think all religions should be represented as their most militant factions. I guess you believe that all Christians should be Christian Nationlists, wild take IMO.
 

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I don't have anything? I asked you proof of Muslims that are trying to pass legislation that is based on Sharia Law. That's fully on subject, yeah? Can you manage a response to that?

I'm trying to understand your position and how you regard other religions in comparison. You being too scared to respond to a yes/no is sad, but expected.

I tried to ask you if you think all religions should be represented as their most militant factions. I guess you believe that all Christians should be Christian Nationlists, wild take IMO.
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Harvard Is racist and more like Germany, 1930"s, then any other higher educational system available.
 

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I don't have anything? I asked you proof of Muslims that are trying to pass legislation that is based on Sharia Law. That's fully on subject, yeah? Can you manage a response to that?

I'm trying to understand your position and how you regard other religions in comparison. You being too scared to respond to a yes/no is sad, but expected.

I tried to ask you if you think all religions should be represented as their most militant factions. I guess you believe that all Christians should be Christian Nationlists, wild take IMO.
Too scared? JFC. lol

Okay one last time, but pay attention and bookmark this post for the next time you forget.

No, I don't want any religion (Jewish, Hindu, take your pick of any Christian religion) trying to force theirs upon me or anyone else. I have stated that before. I don't see religious leaders calling for everyone to be converted to their religion and holding marches all the time to justify their position. I don't see these same leaders calling for women to be fully clothed and be required to wear a Hijab. I don't see these leaders saying it's okay to have sex with children. I don't see these leaders suppressing women and their rights. That's not the culture of the countries they are moving to.

You've conveniently labeled all of those who are pushing Sharia law as extremist. Are those that pray in the street or chant over a loudspeaker extremist? Are those that are marching for Islam extremist?

From a simple google search.
Sharia law is a fundamental aspect of the Islamic faith and religious tradition. It is a body of religious law that Muslims believe is derived from the teachings of the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad.

Proof they're trying to pass legislation? That's what they are building to. I'm not saying it's the same, but Hitler didn't take power over night. He built to it.

Using the Toronto tactic.
1. You're okay with Muslims stopping in the middle of the street to pray? Yes or No.
2. You okay with Muslims chanting their prayers over loud speakers? Yes or No?
2. You okay with immigrants, not just Muslims, not assimilating to the culture and laws of the country they come to? Yes or No?

Previous immigrants were proud to come to the U.S. and assimilate to our laws and culture. Not sure why you think they shouldn't do that now?

Strange how I've seen Cal posts recently some info recently that could be considered racists, but you didn't question those. lol

And to clarify one more time, I don't care what race or color anyone is or what their religion is. Just accept the culture of the country you come to.
 

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Too scared? JFC. lol
Too scared and too racist.

I don't see these leaders saying it's okay to have sex with children. I don't see these leaders suppressing women and their rights.
Aren't you Catholic?

Proof they're trying to pass legislation?
Yes. Proof of them doing what you are accusing them of.

You provided none.

Meanwhile..a sitting US Senator has openly called for the US to become a Christian Nationalist nation...and you sit by silently

1. You're okay with Muslims stopping in the middle of the street to pray? Yes or No.
2. You okay with Muslims chanting their prayers over loud speakers? Yes or No?
2. You okay with immigrants, not just Muslims, not assimilating to the culture and laws of the country they come to? Yes or No?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Previous immigrants were proud to come to the U.S. and assimilate to our laws and culture.
This is NOT true and ignores the cultural barriers for many immigrant groups (namely the Irish and Italians) when they did arrive that kept them at an arms length from actually assimilating. The Irish, specifically Irish Catholics, were seen as sub-human and un-American by major political movements in this country until the early to mid 20th century. You are literally on a football message board that's team carriers a moniker that is due, in some part, to the push back against those views.

How ignorant are you?
Just accept the culture of the country you come to.
What is the culture of the US?

The best part of what you typed was that you still failed to answer Toronto's question and instead went off on some racist paranoid diatribe.

You're truly a piece of shit. The sooner you shuffle off this mortal coil, the better.
 
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Too scared? JFC. lol

Okay one last time, but pay attention and bookmark this post for the next time you forget.

No, I don't want any religion (Jewish, Hindu, take your pick of any Christian religion) trying to force theirs upon me or anyone else. I have stated that before. I don't see religious leaders calling for everyone to be converted to their religion and holding marches all the time to justify their position. I don't see these same leaders calling for women to be fully clothed and be required to wear a Hijab. I don't see these leaders saying it's okay to have sex with children. I don't see these leaders suppressing women and their rights. That's not the culture of the countries they are moving to.

Except that's what's happening in the United States with abortion laws? If the featus is not viable then besides religion what reason is there to not allow that person to have an abortion? War on Christmas, you have people actually making the position that there is a "war on christmas". Displaying Christmas trees or a menorah in public. Plenty of examples of people displaying their faith in public, which we don't have an issue with.

Those leaders that you are being fed through your Twitter algorithm and the emails you get from your buddies at bingo probably aren't coming from places of "Oh look what the mainstream Muslim's are believing". It's likely, now bare with me here, that you are being fed the equivalent of the MTG, and you would think it's ridiculous if everyone based their opinion of American's on MTG. But you have no problem doing it when you see some religious extremist.

This might come as a real shock to you - but the US is one of the most multicultural and religiously diverse countries in the world. Some studies rank the US as #2 in religious diversity. So, when you say "if they don't like it they can leave", what about you? You don't like the diversity in the country, why not go to Sweden or Italy or Ireland?

You've conveniently labeled all of those who are pushing Sharia law as extremist. Are those that pray in the street or chant over a loudspeaker extremist? Are those that are marching for Islam extremist?

Ok, they're extremists too. Does that mean that now that we have added a few extra thousand into your group you are comfortable labeling an entire ~2B people as supporting the extremists?

From a simple google search.


Proof they're trying to pass legislation? That's what they are building to. I'm not saying it's the same, but Hitler didn't take power over night. He built to it.

Hitler? Tell me where in any of the West or G7 countries that has begun to have an infiltration of Muslim leaders? Let's stack the Muslim radicals against Christian radicals and see where we fall. For crying out loud you posted a tweet that was some conspiracy about how Barack Obama had a fake ID and was secretly some Kenyan Muslim! You really think that the US would just allow a real Muslim faction to seize control???


Using the Toronto tactic.
1. You're okay with Muslims stopping in the middle of the street to pray? Yes or No.
2. You okay with Muslims chanting their prayers over loud speakers? Yes or No?
2. You okay with immigrants, not just Muslims, not assimilating to the culture and laws of the country they come to? Yes or No?

Previous immigrants were proud to come to the U.S. and assimilate to our laws and culture. Not sure why you think they shouldn't do that now?

Strange how I've seen Cal posts recently some info recently that could be considered racists, but you didn't question those. lol

And to clarify one more time, I don't care what race or color anyone is or what their religion is. Just accept the culture of the country you come to.

Should I use the #1 tactic and not respond to any of your yes or no questions? Respond to mine.
you are willing to brand Muslims by their most extremist members - yes or no.
Do you think it is fair to do the same to Christians and Jews? yes or no.

But since I'm not scared of your questions.
1) Yes - If they follow the law then sure. If they don't follow the law, then law enforcement can arrest/prosecute as they would any other person.
2) Yes? I see plenty of protests all the time in the city. I am pretty numb to loud speakers. Our Jewish neighborhood was gridlock during the high holy days. I didn't freakout, even though it was destroying the traffic for an extremely important area.
3) Not assimilating is a wide definition. My expectations are that immigrants who come to my country follow the law. If they do not follow the law, then they should be dealt with through the legal system. I don't need to thought police them and make sure that they're adhering to my personal belief system. Since I live in a similarly multicultural nation I understand that there are going to be people who have different belief systems, so as long as they're following the law it's not my place to say they should be removed or jailed. Just like my positions on things like healthcare, I advocate for everyone to have access to adequate healthcare not just those who are progressive.

Like I've mentioned before, you harkening back to the ole days without specific examples of what you liked about those immigrants is tough to interpret.

Cal is posting fear porn from Twitter. He's not making declarative stances about the entire Muslim faith. If he does that then sure I'll call him out.

Lastly - the thing that made and makes the US so great is that it isn't unform in it's culture or identity or religion. It has so many different types of people that allowed it to be the dominant super power. People want to live in the US because of the opportunity for success isn't as limited to your skin color or religion like it is so many other places. I find it incredibly ironic that the people who think that world conflicts can be solved by the people who live in the country to just move, but when they get upset about their own country it's "well not me!".
 

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Previous immigrants were proud to come to the U.S. and assimilate to our laws and culture. Not sure why you think they shouldn't do that now?
Ehhhh... Rose colored glasses that are hindsight 20/20 really. There were still over 500 German language newspapers in the US during the outbreak of WWI. I have friends who had grandparents that still spoke Polish and Lithuanian in the household. Italians and Irish didn't assimilate, if they did they would have become WASPy to blend in; instead their cultures were eventually picked up by the country... like the opposite of assimilation, absorption.

It typically takes 2-4 generations to assimilate.
 

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Ehhhh... Rose colored glasses that are hindsight 20/20 really. There were still over 500 German language newspapers in the US during the outbreak of WWI. I have friends who had grandparents that still spoke Polish and Lithuanian in the household. Italians and Irish didn't assimilate, if they did they would have become WASPy to blend in; instead their cultures were eventually picked up by the country... like the opposite of assimilation, absorption.

It typically takes 2-4 generations to assimilate.
Yep. Born right around the end of the USSR and have a few friends whose parents were Belarussian/Russian and there was not a lick of english being spoken in those houses. There's still pretty large events that they organize and run for these communities, some of them are pretty sympathetic to Putin too which is pretty despicable. You won't hear about them though because, you know.
 

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Ehhhh... Rose colored glasses that are hindsight 20/20 really. There were still over 500 German language newspapers in the US during the outbreak of WWI. I have friends who had grandparents that still spoke Polish and Lithuanian in the household. Italians and Irish didn't assimilate, if they did they would have become WASPy to blend in; instead their cultures were eventually picked up by the country... like the opposite of assimilation, absorption.

It typically takes 2-4 generations to assimilate.
There was a German language paper in ND as late as 1990. WW1 era would be prime era for adult German immigrants and their kids I think.

My grandma is second generation American (German), she knows less German than I do. She wasn't allowed to speak or learn it I guess. Parents wanted American kids.

Im very pleased the continental immigrants resisted WASPy nonsense. The episcopalians and presbyterians are dying out.
 

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Ehhhh... Rose colored glasses that are hindsight 20/20 really. There were still over 500 German language newspapers in the US during the outbreak of WWI. I have friends who had grandparents that still spoke Polish and Lithuanian in the household. Italians and Irish didn't assimilate, if they did they would have become WASPy to blend in; instead their cultures were eventually picked up by the country... like the opposite of assimilation, absorption.

It typically takes 2-4 generations to assimilate.
You're missing the point. I'm not talking about generations assimilating. I don't care if there are still German newspapers. There are German, Italian, Mexican, Greek Orthodox, etc. festivals in Indy every year and we go to several every year. The Muslim community just held their first one this year.

I'm fine with other nationalities maintaining their customs. It's assimilating them into our culture, not losing them. Toronto is okay with people praying in the street and causing traffic jams and praying through a loudspeaker outside someone's apartment when they're eating dinner. That's intruding IMO. They want to pray in public in a park? No problem.

My grandparents were immigrants from Germany, Macedonia and Ireland. They would speak English, but would often try to teach us a little of their language. I still remember my grandpa laughing at us as we butchered his language.
 

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Yep. Born right around the end of the USSR and have a few friends whose parents were Belarussian/Russian and there was not a lick of english being spoken in those houses. There's still pretty large events that they organize and run for these communities, some of them are pretty sympathetic to Putin too which is pretty despicable. You won't hear about them though because, you know.
Your continual insistence of trying to make me out to be a bigot or racists has finally earned you a big FUCK YOU.
 

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Your continual insistence of trying to make me out to be a bigot or racists has finally earned you a big FUCK YOU.

lmao I've never once called you that. The thing you quoted was in reference to why the media doesn't focus their time on why USSR expats not integrating into society as much as people from the middle east. Don't worry I don't think you're influencing Canadian media.

I put effort into my response to you, I answered your questioned. You just laugh reacted to me. If because through my questioning on why you have the opinions you have makes you feel like maybe those opinions aren't rooted in anything factual and just from fear porn that is pumped into your twitter algorithm maybe your anger should be directed at the people who lied to you. If your coming to the conclusion that these opinions you hold are just based on the fact these people are Muslim and that may sound racist well maybe it's time for some good ol'self reflection.

I've provided actual sources to back up my positions, if your response to that is just to get angry then that's on you. I know there will be others who may chime in, but if there was actually a hole in my positions you'd think by now they would have stepped in.

I won't run or hide, I'll be here when you want to actually provide actual stances rooted in factual events. FYI - If you don't want to be bothered by people making a commotion outside your window you can always move to outskirts so that these nasty people aren't in your space.
 

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Your continual insistence of trying to make me out to be a bigot or racists
1. It's "racist".
2.
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Two days last week my daughter had a lurking dude in the bathroom at school. School admin says use the bathroom in the office if it makes you uncomfortable b/c WCPSS official policy is to let the pervs use whatever bathroom they identify with. Dude hangs in there, not using facilities, just lurking. Classic caricature of "woman" with a blonde wig and lets say - non-conforming to school dress code outfit. School won't do shit - put out the real females and make them traverse the campus to avoid larping pervs.

Prom "king" this weekend was a chick too. Celebrating mental illness is enabling and should be condemned.

All you perv defenders can GFY.
 
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