Culture

[Blazers46]

Eh, a lot of terrible shit in this world has been wrapped up in tolerance of religious views.

I agree

 

[Blazers46]

Since being gay is wrong does a gay book belong in any section of the bookstore??

Also, if your kid saw the book are you afraid they’d catch the gay?

There were tons of books I did not agree with in that store. Notice I did not make a post about it.

 

[NorthDakota]

If the book existing is a problem, are gay people existing a problem?

It seems to me he would be satisfied if the book was moved to a section with books on childrearing or a gay/lesbian section ( I don't know if those areas exist but I imagine the latter does ).

 

[TorontoGold]

You can call me whatever you want. I've been called lots of things on this board. You are the sissy that made a big thing about being called Cack. Notice the italics so take no offense.

 

[Rocket89]

Thats a stretch. Went from a book existing to wanting gay PEOPLE to disappear. Wow. Did you play connect the dots as a kid? Probably weren't very good at it.

To be fair, you seem like more of a conversion therapy guy.

 

[TorontoGold]

It seems to me he would be satisfied if the book was moved to a section with books on childrearing or a gay/lesbian section ( I don't know if those areas exist but I imagine the latter does ).

He said the book shouldn't exist. Not moved.

 

[TorontoGold]

Thats a stretch. Went from a book existing to wanting gay PEOPLE to disappear. Wow. Did you play connect the dots as a kid? Probably weren't very good at it.

You said being gay is a problem, and a book shouldn't exist.

I don't remember my connect the dots stats, but I do remember not clowning my dad when I was a child.

 

[Blazers46]

To be fair, you seem like more of a conversion therapy guy.

Curious if I could take electrobes into Barnes and Nobles and convert this GayBC book into an actual children's book. You are also the one that has called me an asshole and a bigot so your opinion shouldn't really matter anymore.

 

[Rocket89]

There were tons of books I did not agree with in that store. Notice I did not make a post about it.

You should make it a weekly feature: How fundamentalist is Blazers?

 

[Blazers46]

He said the book shouldn't exist. Not moved.

I dont think a lot of books should exist. I dont think gay books geared toward 4-5 years olds should exist. But if they are to exist don't put it next to Paw Patrol coloring books.

 

[NorthDakota]

He said the book shouldn't exist. Not moved.

I mean, the book shouldn't exist in my opinion either. But I'm not the arbiter on books so I, and Blazer, and anyone else who has problems with specific books need to deal with that.

But if we are going to be pumping out books on those sorts of things, the book can be put in an area more appropriate than the kids section.

put simply, I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to want be able to let there kid walk down the kids row at B&N without wondering if their kid is going to get a sex ed book in their face.

End of the day, it's not the end of the world. But the guys in here pretending it's unreasonable to think people are bad parents or unreasonable or whatever for not wanting that stuff thrust on their kids are being disingenuous.

 

[TorontoGold]

I mean, the book shouldn't exist in my opinion either. But I'm not the arbiter on books so I, and Blazer, and anyone else who has problems with specific books need to deal with that.

But if we are going to be pumping out books on those sorts of things, the book can be put in an area more appropriate than the kids section.

put simply, I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to want be able to let there kid walk down the kids row at B&N without wondering if their kid is going to get a sex ed book in their face.

End of the day, it's not the end of the world. But the guys in here pretending it's unreasonable to think people are bad parents or unreasonable or whatever for not wanting that stuff thrust on their kids are being disingenuous.

No idea what the subject matter is in it, but I highly doubt it's graphic. Much less anything more than just explaining what a gay person is.

I can guarantee it was not "in their face", seems like a risky move to put a full on display about the GayBC's in New Mexico, no exactly the bastion of culture or LGBTQ acceptance.

Absolutely reasonable to say any of those things. None of it "thrust" onto the kid, I can see an argument for a teacher bringing that book into class being "thrust" onto a kid. But this? No, it's an overreaction. If you're walking down the street and there is a "novelty adult" store with window displays, should that be shut down too? No, because you can walk past it and tell the kid "it's for adults".

Example of something being thrust onto someone - Jehovah's witness' coming to my door, or walking in the mall and being asked if I would like to smell the cologne two inch's from my face.

 

[Irish#1]

I mean, the book shouldn't exist in my opinion either. But I'm not the arbiter on books so I, and Blazer, and anyone else who has problems with specific books need to deal with that.

But if we are going to be pumping out books on those sorts of things, the book can be put in an area more appropriate than the kids section.

put simply, I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to want be able to let there kid walk down the kids row at B&N without wondering if their kid is going to get a sex ed book in their face.

End of the day, it's not the end of the world. But the guys in here pretending it's unreasonable to think people are bad parents or unreasonable or whatever for not wanting that stuff thrust on their kids are being disingenuous.

For those that think it's okay to have that book in the children's section. Instead of continually inferring that Blazer or anyone else that thinks the book should be in a different location is homophobic, please explain why? Please explain why you're against moving it? The book may or may not be graphic, but some of those kids in that bookstore can read.

What I've read is classic projecting. Move a book on gays out of the children's section? OMG you're a hateful bigot. It may not have been written that way, but it isn't hard to read between the lines. There is room for compromise.

 

[Rocket89]

For those that think it's okay to have that book in the children's section. Instead of continually inferring that Blazer or anyone else that thinks the book should be in a different location is homophobic, please explain why? Please explain why you're against moving it? The book may or may not be graphic, but some of those kids in that bookstore can read.

What I've read is classic projecting. Move a book on gays out of the children's section? OMG you're a hateful bigot. It may not have been written that way, but it isn't hard to read between the lines. There is room for compromise.

Inferring? My dude straight up admits to thinking being gay is wrong and a book educating children on the mere presence (the horror!) of the LGBTQ community is wrong.

Additionally, Blazers (and others too) posts on the subject of being gay are littered with misinformation, fear-mongering, hyper-sexualization, and ignorance also dripping heavily with political distortion. This easily meets the definition of homophobia, no need to read in between the lines.

The country is moving quickly one way towards acceptance and inclusion of the gay community, I don't see much room for compromise with these opinions.

 

[Irish#1]

Inferring? My dude straight up admits to thinking being gay is wrong and a book educating children on the mere presence (the horror!) of the LGBTQ community is wrong.

Additionally, Blazers (and others too) posts on the subject of being gay are littered with misinformation, fear-mongering, hyper-sexualization, and ignorance also dripping heavily with political distortion. This easily meets the definition of homophobia, no need to read in between the lines.

The country is moving quickly one way towards acceptance and inclusion of the gay community, I don't see much room for compromise with these opinions.

Yes he has said he believes it's wrong, but that's not what the discussion is about. It's about moving the book to a more appropriate section. To the bolded, that succinctly sums up what's wrong.

 

[Blazers46]

No idea what the subject matter is in it, but I highly doubt it's graphic. Much less anything more than just explaining what a gay person is.

I can guarantee it was not "in their face", seems like a risky move to put a full on display about the GayBC's in New Mexico, no exactly the bastion of culture or LGBTQ acceptance.

Absolutely reasonable to say any of those things. None of it "thrust" onto the kid, I can see an argument for a teacher bringing that book into class being "thrust" onto a kid. But this? No, it's an overreaction. If you're walking down the street and there is a "novelty adult" store with window displays, should that be shut down too? No, because you can walk past it and tell the kid "it's for adults".

Example of something being thrust onto someone - Jehovah's witness' coming to my door, or walking in the mall and being asked if I would like to smell the cologne two inch's from my face.

You admit you know nothing about the book and also then you can guarantee it was not in anyone's face. A bookstore... in Las Cruces, NM.... 2000 miles away.... you can not only guarantee something 2000 miles away but you are completely ignorant of the "culture" down here as well. Is there anything the knower of all knows doesn't know? New Mexico is very much blue and very gay friendly. Probably basing this off your ignorant views of the Hispanic culture.

The book was on sort of an end cap and front facing out. The book is not "graphic" but typically A is apple and B isn't typically for Bi or C for coming out. My kids are are your average innocent 4 and 7 year olds. They have not really lived life long enough to form any sort opinions on anything besides Paw Patrol and other cartoons.

 

[GowerND11]

You admit you know nothing about the book and also then you can guarantee it was not in anyone's face. A bookstore... in Las Cruces, NM.... 2000 miles away.... you can not only guarantee something 2000 miles away but you are completely ignorant of the "culture" down here as well. Is there anything the knower of all knows doesn't know? New Mexico is very much blue and very gay friendly. Probably basing this off your ignorant views of the Hispanic culture.

The book was on sort of an end cap and front facing out. The book is not "graphic" but typically A is apple and B isn't typically for Bi or C for coming out. My kids are are your average innocent 4 and 7 year olds. They have not really lived life long enough to form any sort opinions on anything besides Paw Patrol and other cartoons.

So then don't buy the book. That's what it comes down to really. It's not that hard.

 

[Rocket89]

Yes is has said he believes it's wrong, but that's not what the discussion is about. It's about moving the book to a more appropriate section. To the bolded, that succinctly sums up what's wrong.

No, the discussion is about being anti-gay. If not, there'd be no need to move the book.

Instead, you want me to give out a cookie for an opinion that is discriminatory. I'm more into truth and love, myself.

 

[Blazers46]

Inferring? My dude straight up admits to thinking being gay is wrong and a book educating children on the mere presence (the horror!) of the LGBTQ community is wrong.

Additionally, Blazers (and others too) posts on the subject of being gay are littered with misinformation, fear-mongering, hyper-sexualization, and ignorance also dripping heavily with political distortion. This easily meets the definition of homophobia, no need to read in between the lines.

The country is moving quickly one way towards acceptance and inclusion of the gay community, I don't see much room for compromise with these opinions.

You know nothing about me. I have views and opinions and then you assume I just outright hate these people. I was a social worker for many years rubbing elbows with murderers, drug dealers, drug abusers and many other people with LIFESTYLES I do not agree with and I treated with the same dignity and grace as someone I would it by at Church or invite over for dinner.

 

[Blazers46]

So then don't buy the book. That's what it comes down to really. It's not that hard.

Not sure you are getting my point and I feel you are just choosing not to. Nowhere did I say I was wrestling with the decision to buy the book or not.

 

[Blazers46]

No, the discussion is about being anti-gay. If not, there'd be no need to move the book.

Instead, you want me to give out a cookie for an opinion that is discriminatory. I'm more into truth and love, myself.

Ahhh you are the now the owner of truth and love and taking the moral high ground...

 

[Rocket89]

You know nothing about me. I have views and opinions and then you assume I just outright hate these people. I was a social worker for many years rubbing elbows with murderers, drug dealers, drug abusers and many other people with LIFESTYLES I do not agree with and I treated with the same dignity and grace as someone I would it by at Church or invite over for dinner.

I know what you post and I never said you 'hate' anyone. It's possible to be discriminatory without outright hate.

 

[Rocket89]

Ahhh you are the now the owner of truth and love and taking the moral high ground...

In this instance, yes. And I didn't even need to wrap it around religion and "protecting children."

 

[GowerND11]

Not sure you are getting my point and I feel you are just choosing not to. Nowhere did I say I was wrestling with the decision to buy the book or not.

You were upset your kids saw the book. Here's how you don't have them see this book... Don't buy it. I don't think you understand what my point is. You're making much ado about nothing.

 

[Blazers46]

I know what you post and I never said you 'hate' anyone. It's possible to be discriminatory without outright hate.

Nothing wrong to discriminate. We discriminate all the time. In this case In this case I chose to discriminate this book not a person.

 

[Blazers46]

You were upset your kids saw the book. Here's how you don't have them see this book... Don't buy it. I don't think you understand what my point is. You're making much ado about nothing.

I understand your point but it has nothing to do with my point. We simply walk to CHILDRENS book section and should be able to trust they just have childrens books. You know... like ABC books, shapes, maybe even picture books. Not a book where the letter B means Bi with two little 5 year boys pictured that reads: Shout it out load: "I like more than one gender and that makes me proud." I am not even really discussing how confusing that must be for any 4-7 year old that has no problem "playing" with different genders... or that Bi literally means you are sexually attracted to another boy... so basically this book has two 5 years old that are sexually attracted with each playing together. But we used to be able to trust the content laid out, now we cannot is what I am saying. Pretty sure I was not trying to get your advice on if I should purchase the book or not.

 

[Irish#1]

No, the discussion is about being anti-gay. If not, there'd be no need to move the book.

Instead, you want me to give out a cookie for an opinion that is discriminatory. I'm more into truth and love, myself.

I know what you post and I never said you 'hate' anyone. It's possible to be discriminatory without outright hate.

I don't want you to pass out Chips Ahoy, Oreo's or Snickerdoodles. Your opinion is discriminatory against him. At least he's not projecting that to gays.

 

[TorontoGold]

You admit you know nothing about the book and also then you can guarantee it was not in anyone's face. A bookstore... in Las Cruces, NM.... 2000 miles away.... you can not only guarantee something 2000 miles away but you are completely ignorant of the "culture" down here as well. Is there anything the knower of all knows doesn't know? New Mexico is very much blue and very gay friendly. Probably basing this off your ignorant views of the Hispanic culture.

The book was on sort of an end cap and front facing out. The book is not "graphic" but typically A is apple and B isn't typically for Bi or C for coming out. My kids are are your average innocent 4 and 7 year olds. They have not really lived life long enough to form any sort opinions on anything besides Paw Patrol and other cartoons.

Yes, because a city of 100K in New Mexico it doesn't seem like a savvy business decision to have a controversial book that will piss off the Karen's of the world. I say culture because, as someone who lives in the second/third most multicultural city in North America I can tell you book stores in and around our "Village" don't have these types of books in the window display. So I would expect a small city to be less accepting of LGBTQ matters.

lolwut? Point to where I said anything about Hispanic culture.

As a kid I never remember making swift judgements based on a singular book that I saw at the store.

 

[TorontoGold]

No, the discussion is about being anti-gay. If not, there'd be no need to move the book.

Instead, you want me to give out a cookie for an opinion that is discriminatory. I'm more into truth and love, myself.

Being asked to capitulate to someone who has said "It's reasonable to think that some look at a gay person as a net negative to society, being gay is wrong, and that books on LGBTQ matters shouldn't exist"

It's wild that some will fight tooth and nail to stick up for these types of thoughts. Oh, and the victim mentality of "You guyzzzz always call us bigots and homophobes!" When no one in this thread has said that thus far. Oh well, you're the bad guy haha.

 

[Blazers46]

Yes, because a city of 100K in New Mexico it doesn't seem like a savvy business decision to have a controversial book that will piss off the Karen's of the world. I say culture because, as someone who lives in the second/third most multicultural city in North America I can tell you book stores in and around our "Village" don't have these types of books in the window display. So I would expect a small city to be less accepting of LGBTQ matters.

lolwut? Point to where I said anything about Hispanic culture.

As a kid I never remember making swift judgements based on a singular book that I saw at the store.

Las Cruces could be one of the least diverse cities in America. Probably 60% Hispanic and the rest white with sprinkle of the "other". So when you reference the "culture" of Las Cruces, thats what you would be referring to IF you knew what you talking about.