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[TorontoGold]

Nowhere did I say I was scared of those wackos. I said I will pay more attention to what they do/ say compared to some irrelevant pastor with a church of 35 people.

Uh uh, nope, you said Colorado is scared of backwoods people, and by that logic you're scared of AOC etc. You made that claim.

Also, you stated that she would be more safe in Birmingham than Dearborn. Trans people experience crimes at much higher rates than others. Crime is higher in Birmingham than Dearborn. You're trying to spin a reality that doesn't exist.

Are we going to try that "Gays get thrown off buildings!" line? Just like homeless vets, Republican's don't care about gays or vets, they only use them when it's convenient.

Oh, and here's a website that lists a few examples of Muslim leaders condemning terrorist attacks. I look forward to you admitting your were completely wrong about all of this.

Global Condemnations of ISIS/ISIL - ING

A common criticism of Muslims globally is that they remain silent, and therefore are essentially complicit, in the face of violence, extremism, and terrorism in the name of Islam. But this is not the case at all. Often the loudest critics of extremism are the co-religionists themselves, not...

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[ColoradoIrish]

Uh uh, nope, you said Colorado is scared of backwoods people, and by that logic you're scared of AOC etc. You made that claim.

Also, you stated that she would be more safe in Birmingham than Dearborn. Trans people experience crimes at much higher rates than others. Crime is higher in Birmingham than Dearborn. You're trying to spin a reality that doesn't exist.

Are we going to try that "Gays get thrown off buildings!" line? Just like homeless vets, Republican's don't care about gays or vets, they only use them when it's convenient.

Oh, and here's a website that lists a few examples of Muslim leaders condemning terrorist attacks. I look forward to you admitting your were completely wrong about all of this.

Global Condemnations of ISIS/ISIL - ING

A common criticism of Muslims globally is that they remain silent, and therefore are essentially complicit, in the face of violence, extremism, and terrorism in the name of Islam. But this is not the case at all. Often the loudest critics of extremism are the co-religionists themselves, not...

ing.org

This is so dumb because the conversation was about religious extremism in the states and how as a whole the country ignores it if it's from Christians. I used two recent examples and somehow the conversation got completely sidetracked.

 

[ulukinatme]

You have made it clear that you don't without everything you post. You're whole LGB without the T schtick is only used. It's roundly rejected by queer people and used to promote anti trans rhetoric by those in the right.

Gay rights group was set up ‘to promote transphobic activity’, court told

Claim comes in appeal by trans rights charity against decision to give LGB Alliance charitable status

www.theguardian.com

The battle for Stonewall: the LGBT charity and the UK’s gender wars

It secured landmark legislation for gay people, before taking on the divisive issue of trans rights. Can Stonewall survive the political fallout?

www.newstatesman.com

LGB Alliance - Wikipedia

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Not true. I don't have any problems with how someone lives their lives if they're consenting adults. I may not believe the same things everyone does, but if they're adults they can live however they want to live within the law. The only stipulation would be when it comes to people born male competing against women in sports, but the laws have been catching up there and hopefully it won't be an issue in the future.

Also, I didn't create the "LGB without the T" movement, it's not my "schtick." I only brought it up once ages ago because someone made a comment like everyone in the flag is united together or something along the lines. I really don't remember the context, I was just bringing attention to it because it was a trending topic at the time. I'm not a part of any related movements, and I'm not a part of that coalition so I have no vested interest. The discussion is still going on today it seems, I just saw this posted yesterday.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Not true. I don't have any problems with how someone lives their lives if they're consenting adults. I may not believe the same things everyone does, but if they're adults they can live however they want to live within the law. The only stipulation would be when it comes to people born male competing against women in sports, but the laws have been catching up there and hopefully it won't be an issue in the future.

Also, I didn't create the "LGB without the T" movement, it's not my "schtick." I only brought it up once ages ago because someone made a comment like everyone in the flag is united together or something along the lines. I really don't remember the context, I was just bringing attention to it because it was a trending topic at the time. I'm not a part of any related movements, and I'm not a part of that coalition so I have no vested interest. The discussion is still going on today it seems, I just saw this posted yesterday.

Then do some research into what that movement is. You'll quickly learn it's a far right anti trans movement. You're falling for propaganda.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Russell Vought is the author of numerous executive orders and this administration has already proven they don't respect legislation.

Russell Vought cannot vote on any legislation or authorize executive orders. To quote Coach Bombay in the Mighty Ducks, "keep swinging, maybe he'll catch a cold."

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Russell Vought cannot vote on any legislation or authorize executive orders. To quote Coach Bombay in the Mighty Ducks, "keep swinging, maybe he'll catch a cold."

He's literally the author of Trump's executive orders. You couldn't be more wrong. Maybe if we haven't seen such a reliance on executive orders you'd have a point but that's just not the case

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Uh uh, nope, you said Colorado is scared of backwoods people, and by that logic you're scared of AOC etc. You made that claim.

Also, you stated that she would be more safe in Birmingham than Dearborn. Trans people experience crimes at much higher rates than others. Crime is higher in Birmingham than Dearborn. You're trying to spin a reality that doesn't exist.

Are we going to try that "Gays get thrown off buildings!" line? Just like homeless vets, Republican's don't care about gays or vets, they only use them when it's convenient.

Oh, and here's a website that lists a few examples of Muslim leaders condemning terrorist attacks. I look forward to you admitting your were completely wrong about all of this.

Global Condemnations of ISIS/ISIL - ING

A common criticism of Muslims globally is that they remain silent, and therefore are essentially complicit, in the face of violence, extremism, and terrorism in the name of Islam. But this is not the case at all. Often the loudest critics of extremism are the co-religionists themselves, not...

ing.org

Keep spinning the vortex however you want. Fact is if Colorado had a free Sunday and the option to walk into a Catholic church or a mosque, they're avoiding the mosque at all cost. There's a reason Colorado has dodged the question for an entire day. It's the sad truth.

Colorado, not I, said they're scared of what some backwoods cult "pastor" says on his pulpit because he hates gays. That is NOT the same thing as a person who is scared of all rural folks. And no, your logic sucks and I'm not afraid of AOC. Stop trying to put words into my mouth and stop being so obtuse.

If trans people experience higher crime rates than others, they aren't going to decrease if they're surrounded by a stronger population of Muslims You're completely ignoring context here, and you know this.

I haven't been wrong about shit in this thread. And I'm glad you found some imams condemning a terrorist org. Big stuff there, bud. Why don't they condone stoning women? Why do they think all gays should be killed? Why do they not come out against the slogan of "convert or kill"? Here's your answer: too many of them want a world that is reminiscent of the 800's.

You also won't find any Protestant, Lutheran, Presbyterian or Catholic priests/ pastors being denounced for this type of despicable language because they don't believe in that and it goes against the Christian theology.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

He's literally the author of Trump's executive orders. You couldn't be more wrong. Maybe if we haven't seen such a reliance on executive orders you'd have a point but that's just not the case

He's writing what the president or the president's staff advise him to write. This guy isn't the brainchild of the Trump admin.

Trump has signed a whopping 166 EO's in 2025. In his first term it was 220 total. He's only 3000 behind offender numero uno, FDR.

The more you grasp the worse I feel for you.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Keep spinning the vortex however you want. Fact is if Colorado had a free Sunday and the option to walk into a Catholic church or a mosque, they're avoiding the mosque at all cost. There's a reason Colorado has dodged the question for an entire day. It's the sad truth.

Colorado, not I, said they're scared of what some backwoods cult "pastor" says on his pulpit because he hates gays. That is NOT the same thing as a person who is scared of all rural folks. And no, your logic sucks and I'm not afraid of AOC. Stop trying to put words into my mouth and stop being so obtuse.

If trans people experience higher crime rates than others, they aren't going to decrease if they're surrounded by a stronger population of Muslims You're completely ignoring context here, and you know this.

I haven't been wrong about shit in this thread. And I'm glad you found some imams condemning a terrorist org. Big stuff there, bud. Why don't they condone stoning women? Why do they think all gays should be killed? Why do they not come out against the slogan of "convert or kill"? Here's your answer: too many of them want a world that is reminiscent of the 800's.

You also won't find any Protestant, Lutheran, Presbyterian or Catholic priests/ pastors being denounced for this type of despicable language because they don't believe in that and it goes against the Christian theology.

I've avoided it because it's a distraction from the conversation, and I've already stated that. You refuse to acknowledge any Christian extremists. And you've justified it by saying the congregations are small. And absolutely no where have I said I'm scared. Please show me where I said that.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

He's writing what the president or the president's staff advise him to write. This guy isn't the brainchild of the Trump admin.

Trump has signed a whopping 166 EO's in 2025. In his first term it was 220 total. He's only 3000 behind offender numero uno, FDR.

The more you grasp the worse I feel for you.

You do realize he wrote a majority of these EOs before the election ever happened right? And it can be easily verified. He wrote them all in his project 2025 playbook. He is definitely one of it not the main brainchild of the admin. His name is on it everywhere if you would just educate yourself

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I've avoided it because it's a distraction from the conversation, and I've already stated that. You refuse to acknowledge any Christian extremists. And you've justified it by saying the congregations are small. And absolutely no where have I said I'm scared. Please show me where I said that.

A distraction? Just answer the simple question. Do you feel more safe walking into a Catholic church or a mosque?

I've acknowledged the whackjobs you posted. They aren't legitimate, their positions are garbage and what they say goes against Christian teaching. They aren't part of a global intifada and they don't hold political office. There are much bigger problems.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You do realize he wrote a majority of these EOs before the election ever happened right? And it can be easily verified. He wrote them all in his project 2025 playbook. He is definitely one of it not the main brainchild of the admin. His name is on it everywhere if you would just educate yourself

I don't give a damn if the Cookie Monster wrote them. The guy has a job to do, he has a boss, and he will do what the boss tells him to do. Trump's use of EO's is NOTHING compared to what others have done (both D and R).

Go educate yourself and find the top ten issuers of presidential EO's. You're going to be stunned when you don't see Trump on the list.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

A distraction? Just answer the simple question. Do you feel more safe walking into a Catholic church or a mosque?

I've acknowledged the whackjobs you posted. They aren't legitimate, their positions are garbage and what they say goes against Christian teaching. They aren't part of a global intifada and they don't hold political office.

I wouldn't feel safe in either.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I don't give a damn if the Cookie Monster wrote them. The guy has a job to do, he has a boss, and he will do what the boss tells him to do. Trump's use of EO's is NOTHING compared to what others have done (both D and R).

Go educate yourself and find the top ten issuers of presidential EO's. You're going to be stunned when you don't see Trump on the list.

You know Trump has issued the third most EOs since FDR dont you? Behind only Truman and Eisenhower and we're only 6 months into his second term. And the current rate he'll surpass Eisenhower by end of year.

And Trump is in the top 10. Maybe you need to educate yourself more. You might be stunned with what else you find.

Executive Orders | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

 

[TorontoGold]

Keep spinning the vortex however you want. Fact is if Colorado had a free Sunday and the option to walk into a Catholic church or a mosque, they're avoiding the mosque at all cost. There's a reason Colorado has dodged the question for an entire day. It's the sad truth.

Colorado, not I, said they're scared of what some backwoods cult "pastor" says on his pulpit because he hates gays. That is NOT the same thing as a person who is scared of all rural folks. And no, your logic sucks and I'm not afraid of AOC. Stop trying to put words into my mouth and stop being so obtuse.

If trans people experience higher crime rates than others, they aren't going to decrease if they're surrounded by a stronger population of Muslims You're completely ignoring context here, and you know this.

I haven't been wrong about shit in this thread. And I'm glad you found some imams condemning a terrorist org. Big stuff there, bud. Why don't they condone stoning women? Why do they think all gays should be killed? Why do they not come out against the slogan of "convert or kill"? Here's your answer: too many of them want a world that is reminiscent of the 800's.

You also won't find any Protestant, Lutheran, Presbyterian or Catholic priests/ pastors being denounced for this type of despicable language because they don't believe in that and it goes against the Christian theology.

Vortex? Bud, I’ve been clear on my points. You need to refocus in.

I’ll make incredibly simple for you.

1) Did you not claim that not a single Muslim leader condemned terrorist attacks?

2) Did you not say that “you would be safer in Birmingham, AL, than Dearborn, MI”?

To that end,

3) Is the crime rate higher in Birmingham or Dearborn?

4) Do you acknowledge the previous post I made that showed Muslim leaders condemning terrorist attacks?

 

[ulukinatme]

Then do some research into what that movement is. You'll quickly learn it's a far right anti trans movement. You're falling for propaganda.

So gay/lesbian people making videos about this is a far right trans movement?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So gay/lesbian people making videos about this is a far right trans movement?

Like I said take a little time and do some research. I've already provided links for you.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

So gay/lesbian people making videos about this is a far right trans movement?

Autism is genetic.

 

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[Bishop2b5]

You must be an Islamophobe who just hates brown people.

 

[ulukinatme]

Like I said take a little time and do some research. I've already provided links for you.

You've provided nothing of substance. The LGB Alliance is, according to the New Statesman article, a fringe organization at best centered in the UK. It bears no relation to gay and lesbian people in the US speaking about LGBs trying to distance themselves from the other groups.

Quite frankly, I don't agree with their position. I think all non-cis peoples should be treated humanely and should be unified for solidarity and strength. I only brought it up once prior because it was a big trending topic on Twitter related to whatever discussion was happening at the time.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I wouldn't feel safe in either.

And I am the naive one here? Certainly your opinion to have but...wow.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Vortex? Bud, I’ve been clear on my points. You need to refocus in.

I’ll make incredibly simple for you.

1) Did you not claim that not a single Muslim leader condemned terrorist attacks?

2) Did you not say that “you would be safer in Birmingham, AL, than Dearborn, MI”?

To that end,

3) Is the crime rate higher in Birmingham or Dearborn?

4) Do you acknowledge the previous post I made that showed Muslim leaders condemning terrorist attacks?

Your points are misconstrued and lack context.

1) I noted multiple attacks on multiple continents in the name of Islam post 9/11. Some were by terrorist orgs, some were lone wolf scenarios. But they were all screaming alluha akbar before they committed their acts. A couple imams denouncing ISIS isn't the same as imams saying, "Hey to all fellas of Islam worldwide, enough with the convert or kill bullshit. Knock this stuff off."

2) I said Colorado as a trans person would be safer in Birmingham than Dearborn due to the population difference.

3) Irrelevant to Colorado, who I was discussing this with.

4) Back to #1

 

[TorontoGold]

So a couple backwoods nutjobs with a church full of 35 people don't like LGBT's and you think all of Christianity wants those folks to commit suicide. Good luck waking up every morning with that mindset and being successful in life.

If everything in the world is equal (job, salary, house, taxes, cost of living, etc) you're much safer in Birmingham, AL than you are in Dearborn, MI. Whether you want to accept that reality or not is up to you.

Your points are misconstrued and lack context.

1) I noted multiple attacks on multiple continents in the name of Islam post 9/11. Some were by terrorist orgs, some were lone wolf scenarios. But they were all screaming alluha akbar before they committed their acts. A couple imams denouncing ISIS isn't the same as imams saying, "Hey to all fellas of Islam worldwide, enough with the convert or kill bullshit. Knock this stuff off."

2) I said Colorado as a trans person would be safer in Birmingham than Dearborn due to the population difference.

3) Irrelevant to Colorado, who I was discussing this with.

4) Back to #1

Woah, hold up there. Let's not misconstrue anything, shall we.

1) You said the below. You said not one damn person, but now it's this arbitrary volume of Imams that need to denounce these attacks? How many is enough?

Now I pose this question to you: when a radical sect within Islam sets off a bomb or murders civilians in the name of their religion, who among their church condemns them publicly? Who in the Muslim community stands up against it? Who comes out and says this isn't what Allah preached? I'll answer for ya... not one damn person.

Bonus for you - From the list of Muslim leaders that condemned terrorist attacks, there was this - is "Prophet Muhammed" Muslim enough you? You should really look at the sources I provide, you'll be just a bit more educated on this.

2) Why would Colorado feel safer in a city with a high level of violence than the other? Do you have anything to back that up with? Or is this a case of vibez?

Let's take a peak at the hate crimes stats from the DOJ. We agree that Michigan is a bigger state than Alabama, right? So, if the number of hate crimes based on gender identity is 12 in Michigan in 2023 and 18 in Alabama, which state had the higher amount of hate crimes and would be more dangerous for a trans person?

Alabama

Find hate crimes news, statistics, and information, including the location of DOJ offices in Alabama.

www.justice.gov

Michigan

Find hate crimes news, case examples, FBI hate crime statistics, resources and the location of DOJ offices in Michigan.

www.justice.gov

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Woah, hold up there. Let's not misconstrue anything, shall we.

1) You said the below. You said not one damn person, but now it's this arbitrary volume of Imams that need to denounce these attacks? How many is enough?


Bonus for you - From the list of Muslim leaders that condemned terrorist attacks, there was this - is "Prophet Muhammed" Muslim enough you? You should really look at the sources I provide, you'll be just a bit more educated on this.

2) Why would Colorado feel safer in a city with a high level of violence than the other? Do you have anything to back that up with? Or is this a case of vibez?

Let's take a peak at the hate crimes stats from the DOJ. We agree that Michigan is a bigger state than Alabama, right? So, if the number of hate crimes based on gender identity is 12 in Michigan in 2023 and 18 in Alabama, which state had the higher amount of hate crimes and would be more dangerous for a trans person?

Alabama

Find hate crimes news, statistics, and information, including the location of DOJ offices in Alabama.

www.justice.gov

Michigan

Find hate crimes news, case examples, FBI hate crime statistics, resources and the location of DOJ offices in Michigan.

www.justice.gov

1) Congrats on your find from this small council in Delaware no one has ever heard of, has no platform and no influence that issued a press release stating they are against shooting gay people. Go ahead and spike the ball after that touchdown you scored lol. Do LGBT folks feel safer because of that? Did it prevent any further attacks? Did it stop Iran from being the number one state sponsor of terror groups? No dice.

2) It is my opinion that Colorado would be safer in Birmingham than Dearborn based on the population difference. We're talking about probability and chance here, but being a CPA (allegedly) doesn't make you right.

3) Colorado has dodged the question by saying they wouldn't feel safe in a mosque or a Catholic church, which is grossly naive but whatever. Talk about vibez...this whole convo started last week because Colorado couldn't understand why people were "freaking out about Muslims."

4) This convo was between me and Colorado but I'll hand it to both of you...the level at which you both go out of your way to downplay a global terror movement driven by Islam compared to a couple backwoods cults who call themselves Christian (they aren't) is mind numbing.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Like I said take a little time and do some research. I've already provided links for you.

Federal Register :: Request Access

www.federalregister.gov

 

[TorontoGold]

1) Congrats on your find from this small council in Delaware no one has ever heard of, has no platform and no influence that issued a press release stating they are against shooting gay people. Go ahead and spike the ball after that touchdown you scored lol. Do LGBT folks feel safer because of that? Did it prevent any further attacks? Did it stop Iran from being the number one state sponsor of terror groups? No dice.

2) It is my opinion that Colorado would be safer in Birmingham than Dearborn based on the population difference. We're talking about probability and chance here, but being a CPA (allegedly) doesn't make you right.

3) Colorado has dodged the question by saying they wouldn't feel safe in a mosque or a Catholic church, which is grossly naive but whatever. Talk about vibez...this whole convo started last week because Colorado couldn't understand why people were "freaking out about Muslims."

4) This convo was between me and Colorado but I'll hand it to both of you...the level at which you both go out of your way to downplay a global terror movement driven by Islam compared to a couple backwoods cults who call themselves Christian (they aren't) is mind numbing.

1) Uh uh, reverse break here. You said I was misconstruing your points. I did not. You said no Muslim leaders condemns attacks. I’ve provided evidence. Is your claim wrong, yes or no?

2) Me being a CPA does not give me any sort of special insight into how per capita rates work. If we’re talking about opinions, wouldn’t Colorado’s be more important? You know, the actual trans person? Regardless, the facts are what they are, more gender based hate crimes are committed in Alabama than Michigan.

3) I think Colorado was being facetious. It’s quite obvious why people are afraid of Muslims. For as long as I’ve been alive we’ve been very anti Muslim in all forms of media. Our governments have bombed the fuck out of them. There is Muslim theocracies that are incredibly repressive.

4) Global terror movement? Buddy, you think 2B people are part of a terror movement? Do you really think that if the positions were swapped that the backwoods insane people who claim to be Christian’s wouldn’t be doing the exact same thing that radical islamists are doing?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1) Uh uh, reverse break here. You said I was misconstruing your points. I did not. You said no Muslim leaders condemns attacks. I’ve provided evidence. Is your claim wrong, yes or no?

2) Me being a CPA does not give me any sort of special insight into how per capita rates work. If we’re talking about opinions, wouldn’t Colorado’s be more important? You know, the actual trans person? Regardless, the facts are what they are, more gender based hate crimes are committed in Alabama than Michigan.

3) I think Colorado was being facetious. It’s quite obvious why people are afraid of Muslims. For as long as I’ve been alive we’ve been very anti Muslim in all forms of media. Our governments have bombed the fuck out of them. There is Muslim theocracies that are incredibly repressive.

4) Global terror movement? Buddy, you think 2B people are part of a terror movement? Do you really think that if the positions were swapped that the backwoods insane people who claim to be Christian’s wouldn’t be doing the exact same thing that radical islamists are doing?

1) Don't take my lines. We all know your humor is weak, but try finding someone else's content to snag. You did misconstrue my points in that those crime stats you posted because they weren't relevant to Colorado or the population difference. I congratulated you on finding a press release from an unknown council in Delaware from 2016. Doesn't change any facts I provided above.

2) If I was completely off base in my opinion, Colorado would have quickly and sharply said they would be more comfortable walking into a mosque than a Catholic church as a trans person. That didn't happen did it? Because everyone knows the answer Colorado gave is naivete or bullshit.

3) So you speak for Colorado now? Really big of you to admit that Muslim theocracies suck.

4) Yes, global terror movement. They call it the intifada (their words, not mine). Other guys here have posted many videos of imams in the US and their disgusting views towards the US and non Muslims, so people should have some degree of concern about the number of mosques going up.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

1) Don't take my lines. We all know your humor is weak, but try finding someone else's content to snag. You did misconstrue my points in that those crime stats you posted because they weren't relevant to Colorado or the population difference. I congratulated you on finding a press release from an unknown council in Delaware from 2016. Doesn't change any facts I provided above.

2) If I was completely off base in my opinion, Colorado would have quickly and sharply said they would be more comfortable walking into a mosque than a Catholic church as a trans person. That didn't happen did it? Because everyone knows the answer Colorado gave is naivete or bullshit.

3) So you speak for Colorado now? Really big of you to admit that Muslim theocracies suck.

4) Yes, global terror movement. They call it the intifada (their words, not mine). Other guys here have posted many videos of imams in the US and their disgusting views towards the US and non Muslims, so people should have some degree of concern about the number of mosques going up.

I haven't responded because I've been busy as hell with work and haven't been able to type out a response. I seriously wouldn't feel comfortable in either, and I would never willing go into either place. Yes statically I'm probably worse off in a mosque. But I've only personally known a handful of Muslim people and they were all nice people and generally didn't care about LGBT people when the conversation got brought up. They were also much younger and definitely more liberal compared to general stereotypes. I personally know Catholics that said all the right things and that changed once I came out. So I have an honest answer based on personal experience. I've had far more negative experiences with Catholics/Christians vs Muslims when it came to this issue. But I also know far more cause l Catholics/Christians. With all that being said, I'm generally weary of any person/group of people where the first thing I know about them is that their religious. I'm not going to paint a broad brush against any group of person. Maybe I'm naive but I truly try to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe that they're good people until they prove otherwise. That's regardless of religious beliefs, occupation, gender of anything else. That's one stance I've been very consistent on.

 

[Giddyup]

No one actually cares just transition and do u and stfu. I’m not advertising every time I bang some one but elites can’t divide on that