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[Polish Leppy 22]

I'm more concerned with Christian nationalists like Russell Vought. Our country was influenced by Judeo-Christian beliefs but we weren't founded on them. Historically religion want nearly as prevalent or overt in our federal government until about 70 years ago.

I just don't get the outage over extreme Muslim views when they're not nearly as prevalent as extreme Christian views in our country. I fear we forget that this country was originally founded because of people of all different religious beliefs fleeing religious persecution. And it seems to me that we are quickly forgetting the establishment clause in order to become a Christian nation.

In my opinion your fears are misguided or overstated. Christian nationalists, however you might define them, aren't strapping suicide bombs to themselves, aren't wielding machetes on people (UK), aren't running over people on sidewalks in a van (Canada), aren't calling for wiping Israel off the map, don't throw gays off buildings, and weren't cheering happily in the streets on 9/11 (New Jersey).

I'm not advocating for the federal gov to mandate a certain religion or eliminate any religion, but given recent history we should at the bare minimum be asking the questions I listed above. See the difference?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

In my opinion your fears are misguided or overstated. Christian nationalists, however you might define them, aren't strapping suicide bombs to themselves, aren't wielding machetes on people (UK), aren't running over people on sidewalks in a van (Canada), aren't calling for wiping Israel off the map, don't throw gays off buildings, and weren't cheering happily in the streets on 9/11 (New Jersey).

I'm not advocating for the federal gov to mandate a certain religion or eliminate any religion, but given recent history we should at the bare minimum be asking the questions I listed above. See the difference?

And in my opinion you are completely naive and down playing what Christian nationalists are doing in this country.

Extreme far right groups regardless of religious affiliation are bad.

The Minnesota Shooting Suspect's Background Suggests Deep Ties to Christian Nationalism

Experts say that the suspect in the shootings of Democratic Minnesota lawmakers this weekend showed clear ties to forms of so-called charismatic Christianity that views abortion as a sacrifice to demons and seeks the end of secular democracy.

www.wired.com

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/

Indianapolis church calls for LGBTQ+ community to face death penalty

A pastor at Sure Foundation Baptist Church in Indianapolis preached a sermon titled "Pray the Gay Away" calling for the death or suicide of LGBTQ+ individuals, prompting local faith leaders to condemn the message.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

And in my opinion you are completely naive and down playing what Christian nationalists are doing in this country.

Extreme far right groups regardless of religious affiliation are bad.

The Minnesota Shooting Suspect's Background Suggests Deep Ties to Christian Nationalism

Experts say that the suspect in the shootings of Democratic Minnesota lawmakers this weekend showed clear ties to forms of so-called charismatic Christianity that views abortion as a sacrifice to demons and seeks the end of secular democracy.

www.wired.com

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/

Indianapolis church calls for LGBTQ+ community to face death penalty

A pastor at Sure Foundation Baptist Church in Indianapolis preached a sermon titled "Pray the Gay Away" calling for the death or suicide of LGBTQ+ individuals, prompting local faith leaders to condemn the message.

www.wishtv.com

You could call me a lot of things, but naive isn't one.

On the Minnesota thing, no one has ever heard of this little cult called "Charasmatic Christianity" or its 47 followers. The article says this group aims to exert influence on all aspects of life, which is contradictory to the foundation on Christianity --- free will. The 5 Catholic priests I talk to regularly would all roll their eyes and dismiss this garbage.

Same deal on the Indy thing: what that guy said was disgusting, it doesn't align with Christian teaching, and I'm sure it riled up his three pews of church members.

Now I pose this question to you: when a radical sect within Islam sets off a bomb or murders civilians in the name of their religion, who among their church condemns them publicly? Who in the Muslim community stands up against it? Who comes out and says this isn't what Allah preached? I'll answer for ya... not one damn person.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You could call me a lot of things, but naive isn't one.

On the Minnesota thing, no one has ever heard of this little cult called "Charasmatic Christianity" or its 47 followers. The article says this group aims to exert influence on all aspects of life, which is contradictory to the foundation on Christianity --- free will. The 5 Catholic priests I talk to regularly would all roll their eyes and dismiss this garbage.

Same deal on the Indy thing: what that guy said was disgusting, it doesn't align with Christian teaching, and I'm sure it riled up his three pews of church members.

Now I pose this question to you: when a radical sect within Islam sets off a bomb or murders civilians in the name of their religion, who among their church condemns them publicly? Who in the Muslim community stands up against it? Who comes out and says this isn't what Allah preached? I'll answer for ya... not one damn person.

So you are being naive. Good talking with you on this subject

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So you are being naive. Good talking with you on this subject

So a couple backwoods nutjobs with a church full of 35 people don't like LGBT's and you think all of Christianity wants those folks to commit suicide. Good luck waking up every morning with that mindset and being successful in life.

If everything in the world is equal (job, salary, house, taxes, cost of living, etc) you're much safer in Birmingham, AL than you are in Dearborn, MI. Whether you want to accept that reality or not is up to you.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So a couple backwoods nutjobs with a church full of 35 people don't like LGBT's and you think all of Christianity wants those folks to commit suicide. Good luck waking up every morning with that mindset and being successful in life.

If everything in the world is equal (job, salary, house, taxes, cost of living, etc) you're much safer in Birmingham, AL than you are in Dearborn, MI. Whether you want to accept that reality or not is up to you.

So you're willfully ignorant then. There's plenty of examples of Christians in America perpetuating violence against LGBT people. Not sure what your example of Birmingham vs Dearborn has to do with the conversation.

 

[TorontoGold]

So a couple backwoods nutjobs with a church full of 35 people don't like LGBT's and you think all of Christianity wants those folks to commit suicide. Good luck waking up every morning with that mindset and being successful in life.

If everything in the world is equal (job, salary, house, taxes, cost of living, etc) you're much safer in Birmingham, AL than you are in Dearborn, MI. Whether you want to accept that reality or not is up to you.

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[ColoradoIrish]

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Are we sure this is reality? 😂

 

[TorontoGold]

Are we sure this is reality? 😂

I tried another one

2026 Compare Crime Rates: Birmingham, AL vs Dearborn, MI

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[ColoradoIrish]

I tried another one

2026 Compare Crime Rates: Birmingham, AL vs Dearborn, MI

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I still don't understand the point he was trying to make. Acting like there hasn't been numerous groups of Christians calling for violence or in some cases eradication of LGBTQ people. This isn't some one off case

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26949536

Anti-LGBT Victimization in the United States

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world

American groups have helped to establish global web who share ideas and funding in bid to restrict gay and trans rights

www.theguardian.com

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So you're willfully ignorant then. There's plenty of examples of Christians in America perpetuating violence against LGBT people. Not sure what your example of Birmingham vs Dearborn has to do with the conversation.

It was specifically for you. If I were a trans person, I would feel more safe around a town of majority Christians than I would a town of majority Muslims.

Edit: My family lives in a HOA. 54 homes, 48 of which are Indian families. If you get the chance, best neighbors one could ever hope for. Quiet, peaceful, no big or loud parties (other than Diwali), kids are super nice and respectful, and always willing to help if need be.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I still don't understand the point he was trying to make. Acting like there hasn't been numerous groups of Christians calling for violence or in some cases eradication of LGBTQ people. This isn't some one off case

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26949536

Anti-LGBT Victimization in the United States

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world

American groups have helped to establish global web who share ideas and funding in bid to restrict gay and trans rights

www.theguardian.com

Keep feverishly Googling articles that support your anti Christian position, which you're entitled to have. What you won't find is Catholic Church, or the Protestant church, or the Lutheran or Baptist church leaders calling for any type of persecution against the LGBT community. On the flip side, wander into a mosque and ask the imam what he thinks of the LGBT crowd. See how that convo goes.

Outlets like Vox, Wired, and Mother Jones will find irrelevant, new age "churches" with one psychopath who doesn't like gays, and then paint everyone who's Christian as falling in line with that pyscho who has 35 followers every Sunday. It's garbage, it isn't reality, but boy do they have you convinced.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You could call me a lot of things, but naive isn't one.

On the Minnesota thing, no one has ever heard of this little cult called "Charasmatic Christianity" or its 47 followers. The article says this group aims to exert influence on all aspects of life, which is contradictory to the foundation on Christianity --- free will. The 5 Catholic priests I talk to regularly would all roll their eyes and dismiss this garbage.

Same deal on the Indy thing: what that guy said was disgusting, it doesn't align with Christian teaching, and I'm sure it riled up his three pews of church members.

Now I pose this question to you: when a radical sect within Islam sets off a bomb or murders civilians in the name of their religion, who among their church condemns them publicly? Who in the Muslim community stands up against it? Who comes out and says this isn't what Allah preached? I'll answer for ya... not one damn person.

@ColoradoIrish no reply here? Nothing other than an emoji?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

It was specifically for you. If I were a trans person, I would feel more safe around a town of majority Christians than I would a town of majority Muslims.

Edit: My family lives in a HOA. 54 homes, 48 of which are Indian families. If you get the chance, best neighbors one could ever hope for. Quiet, peaceful, no big or loud parties (other than Diwali), kids are super nice and respectful, and always willing to help if need be.

Maybe you should shut up and listen to the trans person a little bit. There is a hell of a lot more than just the religion of the people that makes one feel safe/unsafe. I would feel infinitely more safe in almost any area of Michigan vs Alabama. Maybe do some research into how each state handles LGBTQ issues instead of the religious makeup.

Keep feverishly Googling articles that support your anti Christian position, which you're entitled to have. What you won't find is Catholic Church, or the Protestant church, or the Lutheran or Baptist church leaders calling for any type of persecution against the LGBT community. On the flip side, wander into a mosque and ask the imam what he thinks of the LGBT crowd. See how that convo goes.

Outlets like Vox, Wired, and Mother Jones will find irrelevant, new age "churches" with one psychopath who doesn't like gays, and then paint everyone who's Christian as falling in line with that pyscho who has 35 followers every Sunday. It's garbage, it isn't reality, but boy do they have you convinced.

Nothing I have posted is anti Christian. Not sure where you have gotten that from. I've simply pointed out that there's extreme Christian sects and that I would prefer we limit ANY religious influence into public policy. Not just Muslims.

@ColoradoIrish no reply here? Nothing other than an emoji?

It doesn't deserve a response. You simply determined that your small sample size of your personal experience overrides what's happening.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

And this was never supposed to be focused on religious groups being anti LGBT. That church was just in the news recently and it's a pretty common example. Look at what Missouri's state legislature is currently doing with abortion. The people of the state voted to ensure access last November and the Christian conservatives of the state legislature has been writing legislature to still make it illegal, and justifying it using their Christian beliefs. I'm simply stating there's people getting worked up on what extreme Muslims might do and ignoring what extreme Christians are currently doing it.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Maybe you should shut up and listen to the trans person a little bit. There is a hell of a lot more than just the religion of the people that makes one feel safe/unsafe. I would feel infinitely more safe in almost any area of Michigan vs Alabama. Maybe do some research into how each state handles LGBTQ issues instead of the religious makeup.

Nothing I have posted is anti Christian. Not sure where you have gotten that from. I've simply pointed out that there's extreme Christian sects and that I would prefer we limit ANY religious influence into public policy. Not just Muslims.


It doesn't deserve a response. You simply determined that your small sample size of your personal experience overrides what's happening.

1) I was NOT speaking for you. I said if I were you, I would feel more safe in Birmingham. Interesting that you specify ALMOST any area of Michigan vs Alabama. What's your separator?

2) I didn't equate state laws into this equation because we have a separation of church v state. Regardless of which state you live in, the pastor/ priest/ imam isn't going to be censored by the state.

3) OK, I'll shut up and listen. Since you've ignored all the facts and history I've presented to you, let's try this one: you have a free Sunday to attend a local place of worship. There's a Catholic church 5 miles west, and a mosque 5 miles east. As a trans person, where would you feel more safe?

4) My small sample size? My personal experience? Are you lost? None of what I posted is relative to me or my experiences, but those of others that have made their mark on history and can't be ignored.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

And this was never supposed to be focused on religious groups being anti LGBT. That church was just in the news recently and it's a pretty common example. Look at what Missouri's state legislature is currently doing with abortion. The people of the state voted to ensure access last November and the Christian conservatives of the state legislature has been writing legislature to still make it illegal, and justifying it using their Christian beliefs. I'm simply stating there's people getting worked up on what extreme Muslims might do and ignoring what extreme Christians are currently doing it.

Uh Uh. Reverse gear. Your original post days back stated you don't understand why people are freaking out on Muslims in the US.

First, no one is freaking out as I mentioned but events of the past 25 years coupled with Biden admin letting every swinging dick into this country unvetted raises question marks.

Second, you post articles about irrelevant, tiny backwoods cults in bumblefuck Indiana who have a pastor that hates gays and we're supposed to act like the Pope just issued a new edict from Rome to all Catholics worldwide. Get a grip.

Third, what Muslims MIGHT DO? Are you 14 years old? Did you completely ignore what I've posted in the past few days? Even post 9/11 you have the London tube bombings, the machete attacker in the UK, the guy in Canada running people over with a van, etc. These aren't MIGHT DO's, pal. These are have done. And beyond that, you're ignoring those who won't DO but WILL support.

Fourth, those state legislators in Missouri were elected by the people of Missouri. Elections have consequences and if the people of Missouri are that bothered by the new legislation, maybe they'll have a new electorate in 2026. Until then...pound sand.

Last and I would say most important here is that you wake up in the morning worried about some no name Bible thumper in small town USA who doesn't like gays, while I pay more attention to the comments and voting habits of elected officials who are way more influential and dangerous like Omar, Talib, and AOC.

I ask again...can you see the difference here?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Uh Uh. Reverse gear. Your original post days back stated you don't understand why people are freaking out on Muslims in the US.

First, no one is freaking out as I mentioned but events of the past 25 years coupled with Biden admin letting every swinging dick into this country unvetted raises question marks.

Second, you post articles about irrelevant, tiny backwoods cults in bumblefuck Indiana who have a pastor that hates gays and we're supposed to act like the Pope just issued a new edict from Rome to all Catholics worldwide. Get a grip.

Third, what Muslims MIGHT DO? Are you 14 years old? Did you completely ignore what I've posted in the past few days? Even post 9/11 you have the London tube bombings, the machete attacker in the UK, the guy in Canada running people over with a van, etc. These aren't MIGHT DO's, pal. These are have done. And beyond that, you're ignoring those who won't DO but WILL support.

Fourth, those state legislators in Missouri were elected by the people of Missouri. Elections have consequences and if the people of Missouri are that bothered by the new legislation, maybe they'll have a new electorate in 2026. Until then...pound sand.

Last and I would say most important here is that you wake up in the morning worried about some no name Bible thumper in small town USA who doesn't like gays, while I pay more attention to the comments and voting habits of elected officials who are way more influential and dangerous like Omar, Talib, and AOC.

I ask again...can you see the difference here?

I'm worried about what our current administration is doing and how that trickles down to effect people in everyday life and we see that with the rhetoric I used as examples. Much like your doing with your immigration stance. Way to completely ignore what's happening in Missouri. Omar, Talib, and AOC have way less power than my example of Russell Vought and any one else in the current administration. Good chatting with you tho, keep being afraid of people that don't look like you.

 

[Bishop2b5]

And this was never supposed to be focused on religious groups being anti LGBT. That church was just in the news recently and it's a pretty common example. Look at what Missouri's state legislature is currently doing with abortion. The people of the state voted to ensure access last November and the Christian conservatives of the state legislature has been writing legislature to still make it illegal, and justifying it using their Christian beliefs. I'm simply stating there's people getting worked up on what extreme Muslims might do and ignoring what extreme Christians are currently doing it.

Equating the threat of Muslim extremists with legislators restricting abortion is a stretch of epic proportions. There's no "might do" with the Muslim extremists. There's a long and large history of murder and terrorism there against innocent civilians and children that has taken thousands of lives, and an oft-stated promise to continue to kill as many as they can. Compare that to legislators legally attempting to stop pregnant women from murdering their unborn child. Equating these vastly different things kills your credibility.

 

[TorontoGold]

Wait, people wake up in the morning scared of Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, and AOC? Oh my. Talk about low T and fatherless homes!

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Equating the threat of Muslim extremists with legislators restricting abortion is a stretch of epic proportions. There's no "might do" with the Muslim extremists. There's a long and large history of murder and terrorism there against innocent civilians and children that has taken thousands of lives, and an oft-stated promise to continue to kill as many as they can. Compare that to legislators legally attempting to stop pregnant women from murdering their unborn child. Equating these vastly different things kills your credibility.

Holy hell you guys are dense. The people of Missouri voted to ensure they had access to a specific healthcare procedure and then the state took action to wipe that away. The majority of people in Missouri and in the US feel that we should have access to it.The ones that don't? Evangelicals. Aka Christian extremists. The state of Missouri has representatives voting to overturn things the people voted to enact. That would be like if we were able to vote on federal legislature and then the federal government just decided to do the opposite. Do you all not see a problem with that? I've continually pointed out the issue is people on here and in this country only care about certain religious extremists but conveniently ignore Christian extremists. You all act like Christians have never done anything wrong. And it's only the Muslims. Like Christians never tried to wipe Muslims off the face of the earth. Did y'all learn about the crusades?

 

[ulukinatme]

So a couple backwoods nutjobs with a church full of 35 people don't like LGBT's and you think all of Christianity wants those folks to commit suicide. Good luck waking up every morning with that mindset and being successful in life.

If everything in the world is equal (job, salary, house, taxes, cost of living, etc) you're much safer in Birmingham, AL than you are in Dearborn, MI. Whether you want to accept that reality or not is up to you.

Wait...I thought "lightning strikes" weren't worth worrying about in society, according to our liberal friends. A couple nutjobs are going to ruin this country? Yeah, they're way scarier than an entire sect of Muslim fanatics that were capable of orchestrating suicide attacks like we witnessed during 9/11.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Only a couple of nut jobs tho. Y'all are so scared about what might potentially happen here and you refuse to address what's happening here because it's happening to a group of people y'all don't like.

Texas pastor says gay people should be 'shot in the back of the head' in shocking sermon

Pastor Dillon Awes of Stedfast Baptist Church in Watauga said gay people "are dangerous to society” and “all homosexuals are pedophiles.”

www.nbcnews.com

Hate Group Documents Dozens of Attacks on LGBTQ+-Affirming Churches, Claims Trans Rights Motivates Attacks on Christians

On Feb. 20, the anti-LGBTQ+ hate group Family Research Council (FRC) released a report it claimed showed an increase in “acts of hostility” at U.S. churches in 2023. Public comments by the group’s president, Tony Perkins, since the release suggest FRC is using attacks on LGBTQ+ and Black...

www.splcenter.org

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/us/pastors-praise-anti-gay-massacre-in-orlando-prompting-outrage.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/tennessee-preacher-cop-lgbtq

Evangelical Leaders Aligned with Trump-Pence Launch Vicious Attack on…

More than 150 conservative Evangelical Christian leaders, including prominent members of the Trump-Pence administration’s Evangelical Advisory Board,…

www.hrc.org

https://ou.edu/content/dam/expowriting/pdfs/Brainstorm%20X%20(2018)/Brainstorm-Voelker.pdf

 

[Bishop2b5]

Holy hell you guys are dense. The people of Missouri voted to ensure they had access to a specific healthcare procedure and then the state took action to wipe that away. The majority of people in Missouri and in the US feel that we should have access to it.The ones that don't? Evangelicals. Aka Christian extremists. The state of Missouri has representatives voting to overturn things the people voted to enact. That would be like if we were able to vote on federal legislature and then the federal government just decided to do the opposite. Do you all not see a problem with that? I've continually pointed out the issue is people on here and in this country only care about certain religious extremists but conveniently ignore Christian extremists. You all act like Christians have never done anything wrong. And it's only the Muslims. Like Christians never tried to wipe Muslims off the face of the earth. Did y'all learn about the crusades?

You missed the point. If you want to debate the abortion issue, that's another matter. My point was that equating legislators trying to ban abortion to Islamic terrorism is ridiculous and kills your credibility.

 

[ulukinatme]

Did someone here say they don't like the LGBs?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You missed the point. If you want to debate the abortion issue, that's another matter. My point was that equating legislators trying to ban abortion to Islamic terrorism is ridiculous and kills your credibility.

I think you're missing the point

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Did someone here say they don't like the LGBs?

You have made it clear that you don't without everything you post. You're whole LGB without the T schtick is only used. It's roundly rejected by queer people and used to promote anti trans rhetoric by those in the right.

Gay rights group was set up ‘to promote transphobic activity’, court told

Claim comes in appeal by trans rights charity against decision to give LGB Alliance charitable status

www.theguardian.com

The battle for Stonewall: the LGBT charity and the UK’s gender wars

It secured landmark legislation for gay people, before taking on the divisive issue of trans rights. Can Stonewall survive the political fallout?

www.newstatesman.com

LGB Alliance - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I'm worried about what our current administration is doing and how that trickles down to effect people in everyday life and we see that with the rhetoric I used as examples. Much like your doing with your immigration stance. Way to completely ignore what's happening in Missouri. Omar, Talib, and AOC have way less power than my example of Russell Vought and any one else in the current administration. Good chatting with you tho, keep being afraid of people that don't look like you.

Russell Vought can't vote on legislation. Omar, Talib and AOC can. Keep swinging.

I addressed Missouri directly.

48 of my 53 neighbors don't look like me, they're really nice folks and I'm not afraid of one of them.

You're either not reading or not comprehending what I write, and you've dismissed or ignored every single point I've shown you.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Wait, people wake up in the morning scared of Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, and AOC? Oh my. Talk about low T and fatherless homes!

Nowhere did I say I was scared of those wackos. I said I will pay more attention to what they do/ say compared to some irrelevant pastor with a church of 35 people.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Russell Vought can't vote on legislation. Omar, Talib and AOC can. Keep swinging.

I addressed Missouri directly.

48 of my 53 neighbors don't look like me, they're really nice folks and I'm not afraid of one of them.

You're either not reading or not comprehending what I write, and you've dismissed or ignored every single point I've shown you.

Russell Vought is the author of numerous executive orders and this administration has already proven they don't respect legislation.