COVID-19

[JurDocDuLac]

From the first page of a Google search:
None of that was hard to find. Whatever you believe, finding references about the claim isn't that hard.

Thanks AllTimeIrish.

As you already know, it is not whether one can find info and references, but whether that info is true.

For example the first three cited all repeat what was in a biased unsubstantiated 2004 book (as I previously posted), and the first two are exactly the questionable info-graphic from the now defunct personal finance blog frugaldad.com, which was never substantiated.

Like I said, all you need is a nice info-graphic (which can be biased) to get the ball rolling, then get it in Business Insider as click bait, then away you go.

It really is more complicated (corporations and M&A roll on) and increasingly expanding (e.g. Alphabet), not concentrated.

But anyway, back to bikers and C-19....

 

[Circa]

Thanks AllTimeIrish.

As you already know, it is not whether one can find info and references, but whether that info is true.

For example the first three cited all repeat what was in a biased unsubstantiated 2004 book (as I previously posted), and the first two are exactly the questionable info-graphic from the now defunct personal finance blog frugaldad.com, which was never substantiated.

Like I said, all you need is a nice info-graphic (which can be biased) to get the ball rolling, then get it in Business Insider as click bait, then away you go.

It really is more complicated (corporations and M&A roll on) and increasingly expanding (e.g. Alphabet), not concentrated.

But anyway, back to bikers and C-19....

It's True! As true as everything else is these days. Cherry picking the truth doesnt make It a lie or the truth, It's picking the cherries up off the ground and asking if it's too much work for everyone else.....

 

[JurDocDuLac]

South Dakota To Host Hundreds Of Thousands For Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Starting Friday

Official stats:
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The official estimated attendance at the 2019 Sturgis® Motorcycle Rally™ was 490,000. This was 5,000 less than the 2018 Rally which was the second largest Rally in the last 10-years. Total economic impact of the Rally $655,090,103.
--

490,000 is a huge number (as is the econ impact).

I bet it is less than half this year (still, that is nearly a quarter million!).

 

[AllTimeIrish]

Thanks AllTimeIrish.

As you already know, it is not whether one can find info and references, but whether that info is true.

For example the first three cited all repeat what was in a biased unsubstantiated 2004 book (as I previously posted), and the first two are exactly the questionable info-graphic from the now defunct personal finance blog frugaldad.com, which was never substantiated.

Like I said, all you need is a nice info-graphic (which can be biased) to get the ball rolling, then get it in Business Insider as click bait, then away you go.

It really is more complicated (corporations and M&A roll on) and increasingly expanding (e.g. Alphabet), not concentrated.

But anyway, back to bikers and C-19....

And the Forbes articles?

 

[phork]

It's True! As true as everything else is these days. Cherry picking the truth doesnt make It a lie or the truth, It's picking the cherries up off the ground and asking if it's too much work for everyone else.....

The point is that you are bringing an opinion counter to what everyone else believes on here. If you have any hope of changing anyones mind YOU have to do the leg work and present your case.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

It is TRUE! It is FALSE! …

A troll´s purpose (and joy) is to provoke divisive discussion off the topic of the thread and distract from other´s contributions so as to focus attention on him instead.

Of the last 43 posts, 34 have been on this troll topic (18 of those 34 by Circa).

Ironically it started when Toronto asked what it had to do with Covid-19, and Circa said:

Ok, I'll try to stay on topic. The deregulation of the media makes It hard for any investigative reports. 6 media conglomerates throughout the World. 6!

On topic, right.

And I admit I fell into his rabbit hole.

Maybe the mods have no problem with Circa trashing what should be a relevant and valuable discussion about Covid-19, burying posts he disagrees with multiple ott posts that he is "too lazy" (his words) to back up.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, posters with good content (Irishize, Legacy, Irish#1, Ab2cmiler, polish_leppy, dublinirish, ndaccountant and several others), have all walked away.

Maybe we can get back to their contributions, ok?

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Notre Dame on the cutting edge of future epidemiology infrastructure.

Notre Dame researchers are monitoring wastewater for the coronavirus and could alert public health officials when the virus is present in a community before traditional prediction methods, like testing, and estimate how many people in that community are actually carrying the disease. Wastewater samples have been used in the past to measure and track diseases like polio and measles.

Researchers at the University of Notre Dame, New York University Tandon School of Engineering, the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Stanford University are collaborating to create a “startup blueprint” for municipalities that plan to implement SARS-CoV-2 sewage surveillance. It would address dual challenges: implementation of best practices for sample collection, analysis and interpretation, and speedy and appropriate translation and communication of results to public health decision makers.

Monitoring influent at this scale could provide better estimates for how widespread the coronavirus is than testing, because wastewater surveillance can account for those who have not been tested and have only mild or no symptoms, says Gertjan Medema, a microbiologist at KWR Water Research Institute in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands, who has detected SARS-CoV-2 genetic material — viral RNA — in several treatment plants in the Netherlands. “Health authorities are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.”

 

[ab2cmiller]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, posters with good content (Irishize, Legacy, Irish#1, Ab2cmiler, polish_leppy, dublinirish, ndaccountant and several others), have all walked away.

Maybe we can get back to their contributions, ok?

Yes, I've intentionally walked away from posting in the toxic waste dump that Circa has created in this thread. The constant conspiracy theories is beyond frustrating. Every time someone tries to post something of significance, it constantly gets derailed with bat crazy shit.

I encourage people to check out the following twitter feeds if you are looking for a bit more balanced viewpoints and opinions based upon real numbers and not the panic that appears to dominate this topic. None of these individuals are pro Trump, they simply follow the evidence, analyze the numbers, make logical conclusions.

Professor Michael Levitt. Stanford Prof. of Biophysics, Cambridge PhD and DSc, 2013 Chemistry Nobel Laureate
https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013

Professor Karol Sikora. Founding Dean and Professor of Medicine at @UoB_medic. Ex-director of the WHO Cancer Programme.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora

Gummi Bear (LOL, don't laugh until you dig into his analysis)
https://twitter.com/gummibear737

I do also follow Alex Berenson, former NY Times reporter. He's way to anti-mask for my taste, but the rest of his points regarding COVID are pretty spot on. I'm sure there are other things that I don't agree with him on.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson

 

[Irish#1]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, posters with good content (Irishize, Legacy, Irish#1, Ab2cmiler, polish_leppy, dublinirish, ndaccountant and several others), have all walked away.

Maybe we can get back to their contributions, ok?

I stick my nose in just for the entertainment value Circa brings, but yes I limit my comments at the moment. For some reason Circa has a hard time believing that the rest are capable of reading anything and forming our own educated opinion.

 

[NDBoiler]

Looks like the US numbers are starting to trend back in the right direction in the past several days, which appears to point to the reinforcement of mask policies in several states.

I will say that if you are constantly reading all the news reports, you would think the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse will be riding down Main Street any second now. I do think it is good to step out of our “bubble” every once in a while during this unique time to put things in perspective. I had a family vacation to Italy for my moms 70th birthday and a Boy Scout backpacking trip with my son cancelled as a result of the pandemic, so as a family we had been looking forward to some fun times this year. After doing some research and planning we decided to still take a family vacation. We drove out west to Colorado and Utah to visit several national parks for a week about 2 weeks ago. We had a great time, wore masks when appropriate, stayed in several clean hotels (we also wiped down when we arrived), and never felt we were in a situation where our health safety was being compromised. I would encourage anyone looking to get out to consider this type of activity.

For anyone living in doubt, I wanted to share that there are ways you can do a lot of what you normally would do, with just some minor alterations or precautions. We do not need to bunker in a fallout shelter for the rest of our days, as some reports seem to imply. Are a small percentage of people going to get sick? Sure. Are a much much smaller percentage going to become seriously ill or even die? Sadly, yes. But just a little perspective can help us to see the big picture. In the words of the great Musashi, “If you know the way broadly, you will see it in all things.”

 

[Circa]

It is TRUE! It is FALSE! …

A troll´s purpose (and joy) is to provoke divisive discussion off the topic of the thread and distract from other´s contributions so as to focus attention on him instead.

Of the last 43 posts, 34 have been on this troll topic (18 of those 34 by Circa).

Ironically it started when Toronto asked what it had to do with Covid-19, and Circa said:



On topic, right.

And I admit I fell into his rabbit hole.

Maybe the mods have no problem with Circa trashing what should be a relevant and valuable discussion about Covid-19, burying posts he disagrees with multiple ott posts that he is "too lazy" (his words) to back up.

OK, I really didn't think I was that much of a hindrance. It's just an opinion. I see your disgust for me. I see you, and I guess a few others don't like me because of my opinions. I'm ok with that. I try to think outside of the box all of the time and If you don't like my opinion, I'm ok with you deleting me.
My apologies for hitting the wrong nerves.


Everyone seems to be so sensitive about words these days.
The only thing that I know for sure,.. Is that I Hope you and your family are doing great in these hard times!

I don't try to go off topic, but sometimes in a thread of this magnitude, the topic will usually have some digressions. I'll try harder and maybe just stay away from posting in this thread.

I did finally have some time to look up the information I gave to the board about the msm. 6 In the country not the world.


GO IRISH! PEACE!

 

[Old Man Mike]

For whatever use this information is: we have had two rather different COVID-related "experiences" here in Michigan regarding Catholic nuns. In the Livonia MI case, the precautions were made somewhat early in the game but apparently not early enough. Of the 60 nuns in that convent, half of them contracted COVID, 13 died and 17 may be past the danger point (but this is not certain.)

On my side of the state, the nuns (Sisters of St Joseph) at Nazareth MI just north of Kalamazoo, put strong restrictions into place early and they have had no cases. Their latest newsletter showed everyone (including several of my friends there) all wearing their masks happily.

I have very little patience with imbeciles who bellow out about masks not being effective or even dangerous. By the way, I suggested that a certain poster was probably trolling several dozen posts ago, and his tender ego sent me a bunch of red negs. (I happily returned it later, knowing that such is a troller's greatest joy.) But generally, yes, he's turned this into a cesspool so I don't post or even look much anymore.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Students are returning to campus this week, with undergraduates arriving later in the week. Classes are scheduled to start next week (starting Aug 10).

Prior to returning to campus, all students and faculty had to complete a Covid-19 test. It was mailed to them in July and returned to a specific lab on various dates. Positives would be required to quarantine and then re-test before being allowed back in campus.

I have not heard any percentages, and I doubt that will be released. The University originally announced a public "dashboard" with community stats on the here.nd.edu site, but that has not materialized.

Dorms will be at normal occupancy per room. Masks not required in rooms, but are to be used in all other public areas in the dorms.

All students must complete an online/app "Daily Health Check" each morning (just three questions with a review of possible symptoms). If someone notes symptoms, they are required to go for testing. And if they test positive, a quarantine is required (requires two negative tests to get out). The university has three quarantine sites off-campus (no idea where or how many rooms).
A "Covid Response Unit" with on-campus medical personnel is in charge of this aspect.

There is a walk-in/drive-thru testing facility at Gate D of the Stadium. No generalized testing is planned, but there is a contact-tracing program (CDC protocols) in place.

All facilities are open, but some have restrictions; for example, I understand gym/exercise equipment will have a reservation system. Classrooms, student centers, chapels, etc have some physical distancing modifications.

Generally though, the campus is on an "honor" system with the philosophy of:
"Wear a Mask - 6 foot Physical Distancing - Wash Hands - Do a Daily Health Check"
- the "Here" approach (see here.nd.edu)

Fingers crossed.

 

[Circa]

For whatever use this information is: we have had two rather different COVID-related "experiences" here in Michigan regarding Catholic nuns. In the Livonia MI case, the precautions were made somewhat early in the game but apparently not early enough. Of the 60 nuns in that convent, half of them contracted COVID, 13 died and 17 may be past the danger point (but this is not certain.)

On my side of the state, the nuns (Sisters of St Joseph) at Nazareth MI just north of Kalamazoo, put strong restrictions into place early and they have had no cases. Their latest newsletter showed everyone (including several of my friends there) all wearing their masks happily.

I have very little patience with imbeciles who bellow out about masks not being effective or even dangerous. By the way, I suggested that a certain poster was probably trolling several dozen posts ago, and his tender ego sent me a bunch of red negs. (I happily returned it later, knowing that such is a troller's greatest joy.) But generally, yes, he's turned this into a cesspool so I don't post or even look much anymore.

Mike. I gave you one neg. I actually pointed out a few pages ago how childish I felt about giving you the neg because I knew that just because I didn't agree with your opinion I was just negging ya back.
I get It.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

For whatever use this information is: we have had two rather different COVID-related "experiences" here in Michigan regarding Catholic nuns.

OMM, if I remember correctly you posted early on about the community you live in (?) with some doubts about how it was being handled (maybe I´m off here).
How has that turned out?

 

[Old Man Mike]

We've gone into a pretty strict distancing mode and it has worked out. We had one case early with a non-resident employee who got well and didn't pass anything on. No visitors come in except the help. (you can meet family outside around tables, but are asked to still use masks, not bring food, and keep the 6-foot distances.) All help are tested at the front desk. All deliveries stop at the front desk. We just re-started Catholic Mass but in the auditorium with only nine (plus the priest) at a time. It is recommended that we wear masks inside, but not required (I don't --- if I can trust the "front desk barrier" procedures then my risks are essentially zero, as I myself never go off the reservation.)

All food is room delivered by staff from the kitchen --- off menu selections that we choose a week ahead of time. Or I can pick up a burger or a hot dog etc for lunch at a social-distanced Marketplace. Other activities are also re-starting but with ten persons only and socially-distanced. (ex. exercise/stretching; movies with pop and popcorn; discussion topics --- history of baseball was one.) This socially-distanced submarine or space-colony thing might bother some, but it's just fine by me --- I brought a 300 book library with me and have a "lively" (in my terms) intellectual-spiritual-and scholarly life --- remember, friends, that I am 80 and no longer can dunk, so this is OK.

 

[Henges24]

Nice to see that you're doing well, OMM. Hope everything stays that way!

 

[phork]

OK, I really didn't think I was that much of a hindrance. It's just an opinion. I see your disgust for me. I see you, and I guess a few others don't like me because of my opinions. I'm ok with that. I try to think outside of the box all of the time and If you don't like my opinion, I'm ok with you deleting me.
My apologies for hitting the wrong nerves.


Everyone seems to be so sensitive about words these days.
The only thing that I know for sure,.. Is that I Hope you and your family are doing great in these hard times!

I don't try to go off topic, but sometimes in a thread of this magnitude, the topic will usually have some digressions. I'll try harder and maybe just stay away from posting in this thread.

I did finally have some time to look up the information I gave to the board about the msm. 6 In the country not the world.


GO IRISH! PEACE!

No one has disgust or considers you a hinderance. Opposing view points are just fine because we, as adults, can openly discuss and debate anything. Atleast we should be able to.

The problem, I think I speak for a lot of us here, is that you post some link expressing your opinion on something and then let it hang without backing it up with actual facts.

Information sharing makes people powerful and once that information cannot be shared we become weak. So share away. Just remember to come prepared to debate with facts to back your shit up.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

No one has disgust or considers you a hinderance.

Nah, he will never change. Better to go with this:

I'll stop posting in this thread.

See you in football threads Circa; you seem to do fine there.

P.S.

Don’t encourage her,...

.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves issues statewide mask mandate.
He explained it this way:

"I want to see college football. The best way for that to occur is for us all to realize is that wearing a mask, as irritating as that can be & I promise I hate it more than anyone watching, is critical."

SEC pressure?

 

[Irishize]

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves issues statewide mask mandate.
He explained it this way:

"I want to see college football. The best way for that to occur is for us all to realize is that wearing a mask, as irritating as that can be & I promise I hate it more than anyone watching, is critical."

SEC pressure?

That’s dumb but IF TRUE...not surprising. Cancel the season. Not just to save lives but to avoid the constant whining and debate about how cares more about human life.

 

[Irishize]

Yes, I've intentionally walked away from posting in the toxic waste dump that Circa has created in this thread. The constant conspiracy theories is beyond frustrating. Every time someone tries to post something of significance, it constantly gets derailed with bat crazy shit.

I encourage people to check out the following twitter feeds if you are looking for a bit more balanced viewpoints and opinions based upon real numbers and not the panic that appears to dominate this topic. None of these individuals are pro Trump, they simply follow the evidence, analyze the numbers, make logical conclusions.

Professor Michael Levitt. Stanford Prof. of Biophysics, Cambridge PhD and DSc, 2013 Chemistry Nobel Laureate
https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013

Professor Karol Sikora. Founding Dean and Professor of Medicine at @UoB_medic. Ex-director of the WHO Cancer Programme.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora

Gummi Bear (LOL, don't laugh until you dig into his analysis)
https://twitter.com/gummibear737

I do also follow Alex Berenson, former NY Times reporter. He's way to anti-mask for my taste, but the rest of his points regarding COVID are pretty spot on. I'm sure there are other things that I don't agree with him on.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson

Great suggestions! Thank you. I would add Alicia Smith. She’s more of a facilitator of the latest trends and does an admirable job of avoiding the politics of it. Lately, her daily KM curves have showed the COVID trends in Texas, FL & AZ.

 

[Irishize]

Looks like the US numbers are starting to trend back in the right direction in the past several days, which appears to point to the reinforcement of mask policies in several states.

I will say that if you are constantly reading all the news reports, you would think the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse will be riding down Main Street any second now. I do think it is good to step out of our “bubble” every once in a while during this unique time to put things in perspective. I had a family vacation to Italy for my moms 70th birthday and a Boy Scout backpacking trip with my son cancelled as a result of the pandemic, so as a family we had been looking forward to some fun times this year. After doing some research and planning we decided to still take a family vacation. We drove out west to Colorado and Utah to visit several national parks for a week about 2 weeks ago. We had a great time, wore masks when appropriate, stayed in several clean hotels (we also wiped down when we arrived), and never felt we were in a situation where our health safety was being compromised. I would encourage anyone looking to get out to consider this type of activity.

For anyone living in doubt, I wanted to share that there are ways you can do a lot of what you normally would do, with just some minor alterations or precautions. We do not need to bunker in a fallout shelter for the rest of our days, as some reports seem to imply. Are a small percentage of people going to get sick? Sure. Are a much much smaller percentage going to become seriously ill or even die? Sadly, yes. But just a little perspective can help us to see the big picture. In the words of the great Musashi, “If you know the way broadly, you will see it in all things.”

My hope is that there truly is some T-Cell protection that kicks in for most folks...especially if they’ve recently had a cold....where the “herd immunity” doesn’t have to get to the approx 70% mark that some assume it has to get to. How great would it be if it only had to be around 20-30%? We seem to have some good therapeutics available in Remedsevir, Imbruvica & Calquence that deal w/ the cytokine storm. I’ve read that budesonide via nebulizer has shown a benefit in treatment.

With more therapeutics, numerous vaccines in Phase III trials & hospitals understanding how to handle being overwhelmed, I feel hopeful. I also feel that we will see another pandemic in our lifetime that has a fatality rate that is much higher than COVID-19. We all know COVID is dangerous enough to lead to death or long-term complications but look how the country as a whole has panicked despite the low fatality rate and imagine a pandemic where the fatality rate is 5-10x that.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

With more therapeutics, numerous vaccines in Phase III trials & hospitals understanding how to handle being overwhelmed, I feel hopeful. I also feel that we will see another pandemic in our lifetime that has a fatality rate that is much higher than COVID-19. We all know COVID is dangerous enough to lead to death or long-term complications but look how the country as a whole has panicked despite the low fatality rate and imagine a pandemic where the fatality rate is 5-10x that.

If that ever does happen, I hope it is natural.

I hate to say this, but we showed out enemies how to humble us:
Just use this EXACT same pattern, but deliberately and planned, and a stronger novel virus could literally take us down.

It 100% a government bipartisan obligation to put together a national plan for such a possibility.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

....We drove out west to Colorado and Utah to visit several national parks for a week about 2 weeks ago. We had a great time, wore masks when appropriate, stayed in several clean hotels (we also wiped down when we arrived), and never felt we were in a situation where our health safety was being compromised. I would encourage anyone looking to get out to consider this type of activity.

100% agree NDBoiler. Especially for the part of the country you mention. There is such a variety of unexpected beauty in that area. Really worth the effort. I´m sure you renewed yourselves.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Oral polio vaccine you heard it here first

 

[Irishize]

If that ever does happen, I hope it is natural.

I hate to say this, but we showed out enemies how to humble us:
Just use this EXACT same pattern, but deliberately and planned, and a stronger novel virus could literally take us down.

It 100% a government bipartisan obligation to put together a national plan for such a possibility.

Amen

 

[Circa]

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[Circa]

No one has disgust or considers you a hinderance. Opposing view points are just fine because we, as adults, can openly discuss and debate anything. Atleast we should be able to.

The problem, I think I speak for a lot of us here, is that you post some link expressing your opinion on something and then let it hang without backing it up with actual facts.

Information sharing makes people powerful and once that information cannot be shared we become weak. So share away. Just remember to come prepared to debate with facts to back your shit up.

\
Thank You,
Phork.
I've said It before and It usually falls on ears that aren't open.
I listen to podcasts everyday, and not just one type.... Progressive, liberal, Libertarians, socialists, woke, left/right. And then the msm.
I hear It, and when I hear It from a few sources on a 1-2 hour podcast,... I have to spend more time than I want on weekends while not working, looking up what I've heard.... It's full of reasonable details about our country that many of us that need to hear information haven't got the time...
The amazing part about what I just told you is...., I am constantly fighting against the truth that makes sense. (To Me... NON-Conspiratorial) It's just not being reported correctly within the msm. IMO.

Just Today: The mainstream media conglomerate, "MSNBC producer Ariana Pekary slams network as ‘cancer’ after quitting job". Look Up MSNBC


Her name Is ARIANA N. PEKARY and her resignation letter.
I'll make sure I post a more informative post in the future.