COVID-19

[yankeehater]

I heard a report that was very interesting about some of the reasoning as to why states like Texas, Florida and Arizona have seen their recent spikes. These states never had a true lockdown so activities which might lead to community spread were already happening without increases in cases. It was when the temperatures began to spike and people moved back indoors into air conditioned places as to when the spike began. The doctor who came up with idea (had charts with 100 degree days) said it is well known that A/C units/vents are a spreader of things especially when you move people in to more confined spaces.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

COVID-19

I heard a report that was very interesting about some of the reasoning as to why states like Texas, Florida and Arizona have seen their recent spikes. These states never had a true lockdown so activities which might lead to community spread were already happening without increases in cases. It was when the temperatures began to spike and people moved back indoors into air conditioned places as to when the spike began. The doctor who came up with idea (had charts with 100 degree days) said it is well known that A/C units/vents are a spreader of things especially when you move people in to more confined spaces.

IIRC correctly, Arizona didnt REALLY start testing until fairly recently too.

Im firmly in the camp of understanding this is a pandemic, it needs to be taken seriously, BUT refuse to clutch my pearls and act shocked that re-opened states are seeing their numbers go up. Thats how these things work, and until an effective vaccine (which may never come) is available, thats the reality we are living in.

I also refuse to clutch my pearls at the idea of sky rocketing hospital bed usage is a sign the apocalypse is upon us. This will happen when you shut beds down to all unrelated ailments for 3 months, and then open them back up. People with other bottled up ailments arrive to utilize them.

Death rates have continued to drop considerably since the peak in April also.


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[yankeehater]

LERONLIMAB NOW PLEASE!!!

It has shown to reduce the cytokine storm while boosting the immune system (unlike the steroids which are immuno suppressive) and it reduces the viral load. In the drugs latest HIV trial of over 800 participants it showed zero side effects unlike these cancer drugs that are being praised. Leronlimab is in trial for compassionate care use, but the FDA needs to approve it for Covid to make it more readily available. I hope Gilead and Big Pharma lobbyist are not stopping this from happening. Gilead is spending more on lobbying efforts during the pandemic than ever before.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/startling-images-reveal-coronavirus-forming-175319183.html

 

[yankeehater]

Dr. Patterson may well win the Nobel Prize when this virus and others are solved. Here is a video of his explanation of the science behind his discovery.

https://www.beckman.com/resources/videos/symposiums/covid-symposium-day-3-session-3-bruce-patterson

 

[Irishize]

You don't have to be a doctor or a scientist to understand you would see a spike because of the protests. Especially after hearing for months, how contagious the virus is and social distancing and mask wearing were key to controlling/stopping it. That all went out the window for those two weeks during the protests.

"It’s 'highly likely' that the surge is connected to mass protests that erupted in recent weeks over the death of George Floyd, L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said."

LA County now has the most COVID cases of any county in US. No rational person would argue the protests didn’t contribute.

https://deadline.com/2020/06/los-an...t-number-coronavirus-cases-in-u-s-1202970308/

 

[Irishize]

I heard a report that was very interesting about some of the reasoning as to why states like Texas, Florida and Arizona have seen their recent spikes. These states never had a true lockdown so activities which might lead to community spread were already happening without increases in cases. It was when the temperatures began to spike and people moved back indoors into air conditioned places as to when the spike began. The doctor who came up with idea (had charts with 100 degree days) said it is well known that A/C units/vents are a spreader of things especially when you move people in to more confined spaces.

All three of those states have been open a lot longer than NY yet NYS still dwarfs them in COVID deaths. Florida has been opened since May 4. NYS death rate has slowed b/c Cuomo’s already killed the most vulnerable

 

[TorontoGold]

LA County now has the most COVID cases of any county in US. No rational person would argue the protests didn’t contribute.

https://deadline.com/2020/06/los-an...t-number-coronavirus-cases-in-u-s-1202970308/

Right, but if you look around the globe for other countries with protests you would expect to see a similar increase as to the increases in Florida/Texas. Not the case in France, and they do love a good protest.

 

[Irishize]

Right, but if you look around the globe for other countries with protests you would expect to see a similar increase as to the increases in Florida/Texas. Not the case in France, and they do love a good protest.

I was talking counties in the US...not countries.

Has any state been open longer than Florida?

 

[Irish YJ]

Right, but if you look around the globe for other countries with protests you would expect to see a similar increase as to the increases in Florida/Texas. Not the case in France, and they do love a good protest.

Two days ago, France had their highest new cases since last month. 3x their average for June.

Will that be a trend, IDK, but it is a significant spike up. And keep in mind protests in France, and Europe for that matter, didn't really happen until mid June or two-ish weeks after the US started. We wouldn't expect to see spikes until now and in the next couple of weeks.

 

[TorontoGold]

I was talking counties in the US...not countries.

Has any state been open longer than Florida?

Probably not, was that the right call to have such loose restrictions?

 

[TorontoGold]

Two days ago, France had their highest new cases since last month. 3x their average for June.

Will that be a trend, IDK, but it is a significant spike up. And keep in mind protests in France, and Europe for that matter, didn't really happen until mid June or two-ish weeks after the US started. We wouldn't expect to see spikes until now and in the next couple of weeks.

Yeah they had a large spike single day spike in May too. The description of the spike per WorldMeters is that it due to catching up to missing data from June 23 to 26th. Still, that would single an increase. Southern France (Toulouse, Montpellier, and Marseille) actually started protesting the first week of June, around the 2nd/3rd.

I think the difference in the growth rates between Florida and France is pretty stark, France is growing at around a linear growth rate, and Florida is pretty clearly growing at an exponential rate with a climbing positivity rate.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah they had a large spike single day spike in May too. The description of the spike per WorldMeters is that it due to catching up to missing data from June 23 to 26th. Still, that would single an increase. Southern France (Toulouse, Montpellier, and Marseille) actually started protesting the first week of June, around the 2nd/3rd.

I think the difference in the growth rates between Florida and France is pretty stark, France is growing at around a linear growth rate, and Florida is pretty clearly growing at an exponential rate with a climbing positivity rate.

The early June protests were tiny (couple thousand-ish in each city). The weekend of June 13th was much much larger. 10+K.

 

[Legacy]

Nurses, doctors feel strain as virus races through Arizona

PHOENIX (AP) — They saw the ominous photos: Crowded hospitals, exhausted nurses, bodies piling up in morgues. It was far away, in New York, northern Italy and other distant places.

Now, after three months of anxiously waiting and preparing, Arizona nurses and doctors are on the front lines as the coronavirus rips through the state, making it one of the world’s hot spots. The trickle of a few virus patients in March became a steady stream two weeks after Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey ended a stay-home order in mid-May and allowed most businesses to reopen, and is now a scourge with no end in sight.

An intensive care nurse in metro Phoenix said she cries when she thinks about all the people who have died from the virus in her hospital, or the times she clutched a frightened patient’s hands during an intubation. Medical staff describe crowded emergency rooms where patients are put on ventilators waiting for a spot in the intensive care unit to open up. There are tearful goodbyes through a patio window in Tucson.

Angela Muzzy, with 31 years experience, said she tells younger nurses they’ll remember their role helping people during a historic national crisis.

“We’re caring for physicians who have contracted this, we’re caring for mothers. Last week we withdrew life support on a 48-year-old mother and I stood out there with her 17-year-old son as she passed away,” said Muzzy, a clinical nurse specialist at southern Arizona’s Tucson Medical Center, where all 20 of 36 ICU beds dedicated to virus patients are full. (cont)

Doctors talk about the COVID-19 'beast': 'I don't even know how to tell you how our hearts break'
Excerpt:

'Overall, people are getting sicker'
At least one-third of the patients that Phoenix emergency department physician Dr. Frank LoVecchio saw over the week of June 15 tested positive for COVID-19, a spike from what he'd been seeing in May.

He's noticed an increase in COVID-19 cases over the past three weeks. About half of of the total patients he saw were in the emergency department because they either were positive or thought they might be positive, he said.

"For us on the front lines seeing patients, the sheer number of patients, and the sickness of the patients has gone in the wrong way," said LoVecchio, who works at Valleywise Medical Center and other Valley hospitals. "Overall, people are getting sicker."

LoVecchio said there have been "a few times" when more than one member of the same family has died of COVID-19. In one recent case, he recalled a patient who died of COVID-19, and then days later the patient's adult child in their 30s also died.

"People compare it to other diseases. I've been through every flu season for the past 25 years. I study the flu, and people always compare this to the flu, elements of the flu. I don't remember any time when two people in a household died of the flu," he said.

Hard-hit Maricopa County isn't following CDC guidelines for COVID-19 contact tracing

The county's efforts to track cases rely on text messaging rather than direct phone calls for positive individuals. Those who test positive and receive a text are then asked to fill out a form that asks them to recall anyone they were in contact with rather than the county conducting a live interview.

Only about 20% of case investigations are being completed through this process, officials confirm. Those who don't fill out the form receive a phone call from an investigator to complete the investigation and identify contacts.

 

[Circa]

This Is the first year since 2012 that I won't be attending a game at Our Notre Dame because of Covid 19. Normally... I can't go because I'm poor.

What a crazy year.

 

[phork]

But its all fake...

 

[Circa]

But its all fake...

LOL. Covid seems to be real. The numbers and reporting of the facts surrounding It are as fake as JFK's assassination by 1 pristine magic bullet.

Covid has a less than 0.5% fatality rate once these tests have become more readily available. People are still scared of the boogy man too.

I was making a joke about being poor. The stock market seems to agree with me. Poor people will always be poor.

 

[Circa]

Next post Covid game I go to I hope the band lets me do a duet....
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[Circa]

"What do you call all of the media chained together at the bottom of the ocean?"

...."a good start"

 

[TorontoGold]

"What do you call all of the media chained together at the bottom of the ocean?"

...."a good start"

Only if Patrick Bet-David and Dr. Judy are first in line

I kid, good to see you back around Circa.

 

[Irishize]

Update to the rules:


Attend loved one’s funeral: “you’re killing grandma!”

Celebrate a family member’s once in a lifetime milestone: “shame on you, we are in a pandemic”

Accompany your dying spouse to her chemo visits: “sorry, rules are rules”

Riot & pillage the streets & businesses in major cities: crickets

Start you own neo-Marxist utopia by occupying a public park: crickets

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LIVE: Aerial footage shows massive crowds rallying to celebrate <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pride?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pride</a> in Chicago <a href="https://t.co/06GbKtqP8l">pic.twitter.com/06GbKtqP8l</a></p>— Bloomberg QuickTake (@QuickTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1277297233092894723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> : crickets

 

[TorontoGold]

Update to the rules:


Attend loved one’s funeral: “you’re killing grandma!”

Celebrate a family member’s once in a lifetime milestone: “shame on you, we are in a pandemic”

Accompany your dying spouse to her chemo visits: “sorry, rules are rules”

Riot & pillage the streets & businesses in major cities: crickets

Start you own neo-Marxist utopia by occupying a public park: crickets

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LIVE: Aerial footage shows massive crowds rallying to celebrate <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pride?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pride</a> in Chicago <a href="https://t.co/06GbKtqP8l">pic.twitter.com/06GbKtqP8l</a></p>— Bloomberg QuickTake (@QuickTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1277297233092894723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> : crickets

I know you're not purposely cherry picking the worst things the Left side did, and advocating that everyone on the Right side was celebrating once and a lifetime moments. Would be really obtuse to leave out some other items - Attending an indoor political rally with no social distancing rules (hell, no masks required), storming legislature buildings with no masks, or filling the beaches.

Anyways, wear a mask wash your hands don't congregate.

 

[Irishize]

I know you're not purposely cherry picking the worst things the Left side did, and advocating that everyone on the Right side was celebrating once and a lifetime moments. Would be really obtuse to leave out some other items - Attending an indoor political rally with no social distancing rules (hell, no masks required), storming legislature buildings with no masks, or filling the beaches.

Anyways, wear a mask wash your hands don't congregate.

Not at all. I’m pointing out what the media cherry picks. Not a peep about thousands congregating for causes they agree with despite “SCIENCE!!!!”. So we actually agree on the Trump political rally & filling the beaches...two things the media didn’t hesitate to go all Doomsday over.

 

[Circa]

Only if Patrick Bet-David and Dr. Judy are first in line

I kid, good to see you back around Circa.

Why would they be included? I'm curious about who you think the media are?


Granny, pappy, mamaw..... and all of the oldest generation, including some boomers... still watch the news and are somewhat influenced with lies and slander.

PBD, and DJ are both whistle blowing normal people. If you wanna include someone. Here this.



Look up Dr. Buttar



Dr. Judy has been sounding off as a virologist for a long time


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[Circa]

Here Is another 'Dr'..... Dr. Mike. He has some relevant points. I'm just curious why he was afraid to go on PBD podcast with Dr. Judy to debate the facts...?
He has no relevance.
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[Irish#1]

Indiana reopened for retail and restaurants to 76% on the 19th. Saw a big jump last week from the 24th through the 27th.

This is the weekend Indiana is supposed to fully reopen.

 

[NDBoiler]

Indiana reopened for retail and restaurants to 76% on the 19th. Saw a big jump last week from the 24th through the 27th.

This is the weekend Indiana is supposed to fully reopen.

Keep in mind that last week in Indiana was still a net decrease over the previous week. Will be interesting to see how things play out after the 4th.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Keep in mind that last week in Indiana was still a net decrease over the previous week. Will be interesting to see how things play out after the 4th.

This part is confusing to me. I feel like the fear is ramping back up, when the opposite should
be happening.


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[Legacy93]

This part is confusing to me. I feel like the fear is ramping back up, when the opposite should
be happening.


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Agreed - the narrative appears to be that this COVID resurgence is generalized, but in reality it is localized. TX, FL, CA, etc. are getting worse, but other places (NY, IL, IN, etc.) are getting better. Certainly not to a place where everyone should say its gone in those areas, but in no way should people be fearful.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Agreed - the narrative appears to be that this COVID resurgence is generalized, but in reality it is localized. TX, FL, CA, etc. are getting worse, but other places (NY, IL, IN, etc.) are getting better. Certainly not to a place where everyone should say its gone in those areas, but in no way should people be fearful.

More cases + less deaths = less fear IMO


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[notredomer23]

Got tested this morning out of an abundance of caution as I am vacationing with my family next week. Super smooth, easy process. Drive right up to CVS, they give you the swab, do it yourself, drop it off. Anyone here can get tested symptomatic or not.

What do I read online the second I get home? That they are likely to change the guidelines on the testing process soon: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/anthony-fauci-testing-coronavirus-task-force/index.html