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Houston has hit 100% baseline with surge capacity open so depends how you parse it. San Antonio is in a similar boat. Not really a place you can move overflow patients to. Additionally we're coming up on hurricane season. Imagine a cat 5 hitting the gulf during this...
 

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Think the data is pretty clear. Almost everything is good to remain open at limited capacities, but inside bars should not be opened until this is eradicated or there is a treatment. This is all stemming from bars.

edit: and lack of masks when people are going about their inside business. I think masks are dumb outside but inside it should be a no brainer.
 
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And packed indoor restaraunts. And big outdoor barbeques. I'm worried about the 4th of july coming up.
 

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Houston has hit 100% baseline with surge capacity open so depends how you parse it. San Antonio is in a similar boat. Not really a place you can move overflow patients to. Additionally we're coming up on hurricane season. Imagine a cat 5 hitting the gulf during this...

Two of my buddies said the same exact thing. One's in SW FL. He said, "We have covid and riots, we're just missing a slow moving CAT5 and maybe a terrorist attack."

Good times
 

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Think the data is pretty clear. Almost everything is good to remain open at limited capacities, but inside bars should not be opened until this is eradicated or there is a treatment. This is all stemming from bars.

edit: and lack of masks when people are going about their inside business. I think masks are dumb outside but inside it should be a no brainer.

Last Saturday we attended our grandsons HS graduation party. When our daughter and family arrived, I gave my granddaughter a big hug. Five minutes later I found out she had spent the night partying at a bar. Uh oh!
 

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Think the data is pretty clear. Almost everything is good to remain open at limited capacities, but inside bars should not be opened until this is eradicated or there is a treatment. This is all stemming from bars.

edit: and lack of masks when people are going about their inside business. I think masks are dumb outside but inside it should be a no brainer.

what about indoor political rallies?
 

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what about indoor political rallies?

COVID-19 doesn't exist there

I've been beating the drum on reopening and definitely think Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona etc. have all shown us that a full lockdown is not the answer, but a full reopening is not either. Anything indoor sedentary for long periods of time or with close proximity just can't be happening clearly.

Last Saturday we attended our grandsons HS graduation party. When our daughter and family arrived, I gave my granddaughter a big hug. Five minutes later I found out she had spent the night partying at a bar. Uh oh!


To be fair, Indiana seems to be the outlier here compared to the other states. Maybe Indiana businesses are more compliant to the guidelines than the other states?
 
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COVID-19 doesn't exist there

I've been beating the drum on reopening and definitely think Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona etc. have all shown us that a full lockdown is not the answer, but a full reopening is not either. Anything indoor sedentary for long periods of time or with close proximity just can't be happening clearly.

Just frustrating to see them have all this runway just to throw it away.
 

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Probably on the same level as protests and occupation zones / tent camps. I think they at least did temp check/screening at the rally though.

BLM protests haven't caused any Covid spikes according to data from the National Bureau of Economic Research.
 

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BLM protests haven't caused any Covid spikes according to data from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

LOL. Given it's only been a month since the murder of Floyd, and the protests are still going on in places like Seattle, not sure how anyone could effectively draw any conclusions at this time. Given an estimated incubation period of 7-14 days, and what we now know about asymptomatic individuals, it's way too early for anything conclusive. And given the average age of protesters, and the impacts on that age group, it's likely the true impacts would be seen as those younger folks asymptomatically spread it to older folks.

And in Seattle, we've seen the last week the highest daily numbers of confirmed infections since early April, and the one day blip on May 1. Also in the last week, we've seen GA have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest new cases ever.

All that said.... how exactly do you correlate it to protest anyway. Do you think the hospital asks if the confirmed positives were at protests, then record that, and report it...

Sounds like someone wanted to write something with a conclusion already formed.
 

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LOL. Given it's only been a month since the murder of Floyd, and the protests are still going on in places like Seattle, not sure how anyone could effectively draw any conclusions at this time. Given an estimated incubation period of 7-14 days, and what we now know about asymptomatic individuals, it's way too early for anything conclusive. And given the average age of protesters, and the impacts on that age group, it's likely the true impacts would be seen as those younger folks asymptomatically spread it to older folks.

And in Seattle, we've seen the last week the highest daily numbers of confirmed infections since early April, and the one day blip on May 1. Also in the last week, we've seen GA have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest new cases ever.

All that said.... how exactly do you correlate it to protest anyway. Do you think the hospital asks if the confirmed positives were at protests, then record that, and report it...

Sounds like someone wanted to write something with a conclusion already formed.

read the paper maybe before you comment perhaps

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf
 

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LOL. Given it's only been a month since the murder of Floyd, and the protests are still going on in places like Seattle, not sure how anyone could effectively draw any conclusions at this time. Given an estimated incubation period of 7-14 days, and what we now know about asymptomatic individuals, it's way too early for anything conclusive. And given the average age of protesters, and the impacts on that age group, it's likely the true impacts would be seen as those younger folks asymptomatically spread it to older folks.

And in Seattle, we've seen the last week the highest daily numbers of confirmed infections since early April, and the one day blip on May 1. Also in the last week, we've seen GA have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest new cases ever.

All that said.... how exactly do you correlate it to protest anyway. Do you think the hospital asks if the confirmed positives were at protests, then record that, and report it...

Sounds like someone wanted to write something with a conclusion already formed.

Average incubation period is 5-6 days. However, it can take as long as 14 days.
 

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read the paper maybe before you comment perhaps

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

So I read far enough and skimmed the rest. They're basing most of their hypothesis on SafeGraph phone tracking data, and the assumption that since there was a net increase in social distancing during the protests (folks stayed home to stay out of the chaos), that it will equate to no increase.

First, there's simply not enough time to compare that data given incubation periods and downstream impacts to actuals that are still coming in, and future actuals. The health data they used ended on June 20th, while if you follow their charts, protests didn't reach their heights until a week after the murder and later. The chart (page 33 panel D) is obviously not reflective of what's going on this week as we're seeing some of our highest numbers ever.

Second, it doesn't address that post protest, those that did protest went home or back to their communities. They mention persistent protests, but not sure they addressed the impact of those who persistently protested going back and forth (protest, then home, then...).

Third, it doesn't address that many that protested, were African American, who we know are hit harder in terms of %s (and who return to their communities which we know have been less adherent to social distancing policy, and often live in multi family housing at a higher %).

Forth, I didn't see them mention that the median age group for protesters is likely less than that of the general population. Given the demographics, more likely to be asymptomatic, and also less likely to seek early medical treatment for mild symptoms.

I can keep going and going. It also admits that there could be a problem with their data if protesters came from outside of the city in question.

In short, way too early, way too many assumptions, and doesn't take into account a lot of basic factors. Too much stat head, too little common sense.
 

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To be fair, your comment implied a similar sentiment in order to support your point of view.

Right, but saying "Outdoor concerts and football games should be no problem" is a bit different than comparing a BLM protest to a Trump rally.
 

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Average incubation period is 5-6 days. However, it can take as long as 14 days.

That's the same number based on a Chinese Study from Mar and April. Since that time, they have admitted that pre-sypmtomatic and asymptomatic behavior is not fully understood. And they have also said it likely varies with age.
 

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Right, but saying "Outdoor concerts and football games should be no problem" is a bit different than comparing a BLM protest to a Trump rally.

Sorry, should have added sarcasm font... I was replying to your bland statement that didn't take into account protest vs general outdoor activity. Yes, doctors has said outdoors are safer than indoors, but that assumes that social distancing that allows for improved ventilation. That is not the case with protests. If you're huddled with 1000 people around a monument or marching shoulder to shoulder yelling, you're losing the "outdoor" benefits and are subject to "droplets".

And in an organized sports events, you can at least do temp checks at admittance and require masks. That's not the case with protests.
 

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Clemson FB has 14 more positives bringing the total to 37. They're getting close to half the roster....
 

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COVID-19 doesn't exist there

I've been beating the drum on reopening and definitely think Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona etc. have all shown us that a full lockdown is not the answer, but a full reopening is not either. Anything indoor sedentary for long periods of time or with close proximity just can't be happening clearly.


Agreed

To be fair, Indiana seems to be the outlier here compared to the other states. Maybe Indiana businesses are more compliant to the guidelines than the other states?

I see more people without a mask than with.
My brother has a family of 6. showed systems and tested positive. My brother said he had 2 really rough days and about 2 weeks of what felt like a bad sinus infection. He's doing good now and so are my nephew, his wife is having a rough go but no hospital visit as of yet.
 

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Clemson FB has 14 more positives bringing the total to 37. They're getting close to half the roster....

I would rather have my players get the virus now instead of during the season. I would imagine any player who gets it during the season will have to sit out two weeks while in quarantine.
 

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I would rather have my players get the virus now instead of during the season. I would imagine any player who gets it during the season will have to sit out two weeks while in quarantine.

Likely longer than that, perhaps much longer.

I know folks that have been positive for 5 weeks. And to return, I think you have to have two consecutive negative tests. The reports on duration have been all over the place.

And yes, agree, rather then get it now than during the season. Keep them all in a damn bubble.
 

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You don't have to be a doctor or a scientist to understand you would see a spike because of the protests. Especially after hearing for months, how contagious the virus is and social distancing and mask wearing were key to controlling/stopping it. That all went out the window for those two weeks during the protests.

"It’s 'highly likely' that the surge is connected to mass protests that erupted in recent weeks over the death of George Floyd, L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said."
 
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