COVID-19

[Sea Turtle]

How much longer will radicals keep comparing Covid-19 to the flu and keep clamoring to "Get back to work,We need to get the economy up and running?" Stop regurgitating Sean Hannity every night.

It's not like the flu. The flu kills far more people. And it kills the vet young as well as the very old

 

[SonofOahu]

You don't need to insult people to make a point. If you disagree, that's fine but you don't need to make childish snarky comments about Dairy Queen and not being all there because I disagree with you.

240,000 people were supposed to die in our country . Millions of hospitalizations. And that was with social distancing, etc. Some knew that was absurd. Many panicked. Now it's 140,000. Right.

People thought this was going to be The Stand. Stephen King had to calm some people down because they thought this was the end. People dumped their stock trying to salvage something before it all crashed and burned. I never said this wasn't a problem. It is. It's a crisis in NYC. But in my opinion, and many others, this wasn't worth shutting the world down, costing trillions of dollars and sending the country into double digits unemployment which is the start of a Depression. People you and I know will be out of work months from now because the media went hysterical.

Now, I'm sure you are all there and a smart guy and probably have a fine career, but we can agree to disagree. See how easy that is?

The snark and cynicism makes this fun; that's really all I got at this point, bud. None of this is funny, otherwise.

We have another confirmed positive employee, and this one hits close to home because the employee was "on loan" to me from another department. As best as we can tell, the employee's contact with the positive case was brief and passing. If this was the "infection interaction," then I have no idea how this will ever be fully contained. Walking down the street would be a crap shoot.

 

[SonofOahu]

Not a lot to be laughing about these days, but this is funny. Louisiana police used The Purge siren to announce curfew.

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/04/louisiana-police-purge-siren-coronavirus-curfew-1202223466/

This is so great. Hawaii has a curfew, this weekend. I hope they play this; that would be awesome!

 

[SonofOahu]

same here. im having to order my cigars online now.

Cheaper though, right? How are you, man? I hope that all is well, and I hope that you and your fam are safe.

Jobs report is out. Another 6.6 million people filed for unemployment. All told, in the past three weeks, 16.6 million Americans have filed for unemployment aid. That now totals Nearly one in ten employees lost their jobs. In the previous two weeks, one of the sectors that was an engine of job growth - heath care - has had the most job losses. Since the money-making areas in health care - elective procedures and surgeries - have been suspended, hospitals, private practices and urgent cares are laying off workers in anticipation of losses from uncompensated and very expensive care. The stimulus package for hospitals won't be enough to cover their losses in the short term and the long-term. More people who lost their private insurance switch to Medicaid or will be uninsured. Medicaid pays sixty cents on the dollar that private insurance pays. The only recourse hospitals and health care systems will have is to cut more expenses - cut more jobs, close money-losing clinics and hospitals as in rural areas. This will be a long, slow recovery in the health care sector. Meanwhile, tax revenue for states and the feds will decrease with corresponding increase in the federal debt.

Health care as we knew it may be changed for years, if not permanently.

Legacy, you understand healthcare from a c-suite perspective. This pandemic is the most interesting and scary thing that any of us (in the business of health) will ever witness in our lifetimes. It's going to fundamentally change lifestyles for a decade, and will change healthcare probably forever.

I say no less than 20% of American hospitals will go bankrupt by 2022. This is going to speed up consolidation and the "too big to fail" movement in healthcare, and you're probably going to see huge investments in treatment/research collaborations across all continents.

 

[NDdomer2]

I can only speak to my health system but standing pat and not laying off. Will they in future? Possibly to probably. We have quite a few rural community hospital as well.

 

[SonofOahu]

Almost everyone I know filing for unemployment right now in the NKY area has been placed on furlough, rather than laid off.

Of course there's the chance that some of those people don't actually get their jobs back, or that the downturn ultimately results in 'real' layoffs down the line... but it's encouraging to see that so many employers in the area are planning on a return to normalcy with promises of getting people back to work as they were before.

My real question is how many companies are going to realize the money they can save on space and operating costs by having people work remotely on the regular from their own space, rather than footing the bill for large office buildings or other rented space.

I feel like many companies are going to downgrade their square footage and look for smaller offices as meeting spaces for in-person needs, and keep people working from home otherwise. They might be spending more on increased IT support and other WFH tech, but they'll save on rent and utilities.

If you pursue a PPP loan through the SBA, you need to keep your employees on for (I believe) 8 weeks, or hire them all back, in order to maintain the maximum forgiveness. That could be why a lot of people are getting furloughed and not outright laid off.

I personally believe the fatality rate is a joke. I personally KNOW the testing is being abused and the diagnosis are over stated.

Personal aside, I'm directly on the front lines standing up government programs nationally (until corona we were only coverinf 36 states) due to this.

I can have an informed opinion and also execute my job. If you can't see that then respond with something snarky and have a wonderful day.

Over-testing would lead to more negatives, thus diluting the fatality rate. How do you rectify these two points?

In any case, thank you for your service. American healthcare would be nothing without its true heroes, the insurance companies.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Irish#1]

I really don't know all of the analytics of older vs. young with online situations. I do know old people in my part of the woods and yes they have seemed to been scared into not using that machine, their are some 40-50 year old's I know that think the girl that sent them an email are serious about wanting their attention...

I'm not saying all older people don't know, but you might be surprised when you see the amount of older people that won't do anything other than look at the facebook page their grandson/daughter... made for them, and they won't even push buttons out of fear.

Why would I be surprised? I've been in IT since 1972. I've dealt with users of all ages for more years than I care to remember.

Of course there are older people who are afraid, but there are people of all ages who are scared to use technology in fear of downloading a virus or ransomware. I had an employee in her late 40's or early 50's open an email that was obviously spam. It locked up her PC. Her reply, "I know I shouldn't have done that, but I couldn't resist".

You're the one on here criticizing some posters for not providing specifics, yet you try to refute my post that provides two sources with nothing more than a generalized statement that you "know people".

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I wish we could have an alternate reality so people could see what would happen if we didn't do social distancing. But there still would be those saying the alternate reality was a government conspiracy so cant be trusted. I'm not sure what else to say at this point. I guess people will believe whatever they chose regardless of what science says.

Maybe everyone should have to spend a day in a NYC hospital or with a crew of NYC EMS. That would change more than a few opinions.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Cheaper though, right? How are you, man? I hope that all is well, and I hope that you and your fam are safe.

Its my one my silver lining right now lol. Appreciate the kind words. I say the same to you my friend.

 

[Irish#1]

I wish we could have an alternate reality so people could see what would happen if we didn't do social distancing. But there still would be those saying the alternate reality was a government conspiracy so cant be trusted. I'm not sure what else to say at this point. I guess people will believe whatever they chose regardless of what science says.

Maybe everyone should have to spend a day in a NYC hospital or with a crew of NYC EMS. That would change more than a few opinions.

If you can't believe that Corporate America came up with this to line their pockets, then I don't know what to say. BTW.....Trump gets a 10% kickback from their profits.

 

[IrishLion]

It's not like the flu. The flu kills far more people. And it kills the vet young as well as the very old

The flu doesn't result in an overburdened hospital system because of the prevalence of respiratory issues, though.

Can you really not see that social distancing has saved most places from the crisis that New York is experiencing?

The flu doesn't create that kind of crisis. The danger isn't the death rate. The danger is running out of space for sick people who can't breath. THEN the death rate would become a crisis.

 

[arahop]

It's not like the flu. The flu kills far more people. And it kills the vet young as well as the very old

Incorrect.

 

[Irish2155]

On a lighter note, any of you other work from homers refusing to touch a razor during all of this? I usually keep it clean on the face and head but haven't shaved since I left for vacation on 2/26. This beard is long and gray AF.

 

[Irishize]

How much longer will radicals keep comparing Covid-19 to the flu and keep clamoring to "Get back to work,We need to get the economy up and running?" Stop regurgitating Sean Hannity every night.

Since you’re on the subject of comparisons. If the comparisons to the flu are silly, let’s agree that the MSM comparing it to 10 wars America lost life in is even sillier.

 

[Irishize]

On a lighter note, any of you other work from homers refusing to touch a razor during all of this? I usually keep it clean on the face and head but haven't shaved since I left for vacation on 2/26. This beard is long and gray AF.

Same here. And on most days my first shower may be my last shower.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

How much longer will radicals keep comparing Covid-19 to the flu and keep clamoring to "Get back to work,We need to get the economy up and running?" Stop regurgitating Sean Hannity every night.

1. There's nothing radical about the attempt to balance kicking corona's ass and gradually getting our country back to work. 16 million people lost their jobs in the past two weeks and that is unsustainable long term. You seem to be unconcerned about those effects or largely unaffected.

2. NY is the hot spot and Americans from all over are supporting NY in various ways. Keeping that in mind, smaller cities like Kansas City and Jacksonville (for example) aren't experiencing the same impact. Therefore, it's conceivable that some of us can begin transitioning (gradually) back to work before others do. NY is part of America but there's a huge country to consider.

3. I work at a company of 25 people, and most days no more than 12 of us are in the office. I can work from home anytime I want, but chances are I'm more at risk at the grocery store than the office.

4. Much to leftists' and media disappointment, this isn't the end of days and we're gonna get through this with fewer deaths than originally anticipated.

 

[TorontoGold]

1. There's nothing radical about the attempt to balance kicking corona's ass and gradually getting our country back to work. 16 million people lost their jobs in the past two weeks and that is unsustainable long term. You seem to be unconcerned about those effects or largely unaffected.

2. NY is the hot spot and Americans from all over are supporting NY in various ways. Keeping that in mind, smaller cities like Kansas City and Jacksonville (for example) aren't experiencing the same impact. Therefore, it's conceivable that some of us can begin transitioning (gradually) back to work before others do. NY is part of America but there's a huge country to consider.

3. I work at a company of 25 people, and most days no more than 12 of us are in the office. I can work from home anytime I want, but chances are I'm more at risk at the grocery store than the office.

4. Much to leftists' and media disappointment, this isn't the end of days and we're gonna get through this with fewer deaths than originally anticipated.

Lmao the whole reason to sensationalize the projected death totals is to make sure morons take this seriously. This isn't some soros scheme to try and take over the government.

Also, the whole point of limiting your contact with people is to limit the contagion. So if you're going to the office congrats you also get to pick up whatever the people in your office have done.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Regarding the death counts in NYC this is what we have:

"The city has a different measure: Any patient who has had a positive coronavirus test and then later dies — whether at home or in a hospital — is being counted as a coronavirus death, said Dr. Oxiris Barbot, the commissioner of the city’s Department of Health.

“To date, we have only been recording on people who have had the test,” she said on Thursday morning."

Meanwhile the death count in people's homes or the street were 1,125 from April 1-5, which is 8 times higher than the total during the same period last year, and they're not being counted as COVID deaths.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Lmao the whole reason to sensationalize the projected death totals is to make sure morons take this seriously. This isn't some soros scheme to try and take over the government.

Also, the whole point of limiting your contact with people is to limit the contagion. So if you're going to the office congrats you also get to pick up whatever the people in your office have done.

1) You kinda made my point: the left thinks so little of the average person, they have to lie to them about the situation. Congrats.

2) I fully understand the objective of limiting contact, and I haven't been to the office. Kudos to you for being brand new and wishing Covid on someone. Classy.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Regarding the death counts in NYC this is what we have:

"The city has a different measure: Any patient who has had a positive coronavirus test and then later dies — whether at home or in a hospital — is being counted as a coronavirus death, said Dr. Oxiris Barbot, the commissioner of the city’s Department of Health.

“To date, we have only been recording on people who have had the test,” she said on Thursday morning."

Meanwhile the death count in people's homes or the street were 1,125 from April 1-5, which is 8 times higher than the total during the same period last year, and they're not being counted as COVID deaths.

Hopefully nobody is suggesting that we just automatically count the number of deaths above a historical average as COVID deaths.

Obviously some of these deaths likely are COVID related. Probably a majority are. But it's also likely that more people are dying at home, simply because they are now stuck at home. How many people are also avoiding going to the hospital to get checked out on non-COVID related issues because they are afraid of getting the virus if they went to the Hospital?

 

[yankeehater]

Lmao the whole reason to sensationalize the projected death totals is to make sure morons take this seriously. This isn't some soros scheme to try and take over the government.

Also, the whole point of limiting your contact with people is to limit the contagion. So if you're going to the office congrats you also get to pick up whatever the people in your office have done.

So should the rise is suicides because of this be counted in your Covid death totals? Right now in California the news is as much about that and the rise of domestic violence as it is the virus. I know elderly people that have said they would faint if they had to enter a grocery store right now (they think everyone is dieing) because of "those sensationalized numbers" which I am sure is really good for their health. BTW in my county projections show at the height of the outbreak less than .01% of county will have the virus.

 

[Irishize]

Lmao the whole reason to sensationalize the projected death totals is to make sure morons take this seriously. This isn't some soros scheme to try and take over the government.

Also, the whole point of limiting your contact with people is to limit the contagion. So if you're going to the office congrats you also get to pick up whatever the people in your office have done.

But he is correct in that there needs to be a thoughtful plan for the economy as well. Not b/c of 401Ks or shareholder returns like the MSM loves to portray...but for regular families providing food & shelter for their families.

The nation has no problem assisting say 200K unemployed citizens. Now when it’s 6M+ you get the unemployment system just as overwhelmed as the hospitals who weren’t prepared for the COVID-19 pandemic. According to the WSJ, the Austin, TX unemployment office has quit taking new applicants and referred them to local United Way or Goodwill chapters for a short-term loan and other assistance.
The computers at various unemployment offices are crashing b/c of the influx of new applicants. Now project this even further nationally when it’s six months from now....

I’m confident that there’s not a person on this board who doesn’t understand the health crisis and how it can affect all of us...especially if we don’t “flatten the curve”. I just wish folks weren’t so short-sighted and thinking a switch will be flipped when this is over and everything is back to normal. That same WSJ report quoted economists projecting the best case scenario as far as getting the unemployment numbers back to pre-COVID are late 2022-early 2023. And that’s the most optimistic projection. Assume Trump is re-elected and you can guarantee it will take longer b/c the pettiness & bickering between Trump & MSM/Congress (both sides are guilty) will remain a detente b/c there’s no way they want to see us recover from this w/ Trump as POTUS. And I can proudly say that I did NOT vote for Trump so save your MAGA memes.

So if it’s okay for the media & the epidemiologists to project worst case scenarios, then be prepared for the worst case scenarios from economists b/c they won’t be nearly as hopeful or optimistic as the American people. If Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel is going to say we must shut down the country for 18 months to ensure the virus is eradicated, then you can be damn sure you will be hearing reports of a run on guns & ammo to protect vs looting and “fighting over a melon w/ a stick in the streets of America”, Marshall Law, etc. Can’t have it both ways.

 

[yankeehater]

For those on the continuing of mitigating side of the fence, when would you be OK with that ending? I hear the until it is safe being thrown around (not sure what that even means). From what I have read to truly stop the virus, 60% of the population must have the antibodies which mitigation stops from happening. I also hear people say when there is a vaccine. We have all heard the doctors say that best case scenario is 12-18 months. Is that when you will be OK with opening things back up? There are currently seven known Corona viruses. Four of them cause the common cold and the other three are SARS, MERS and COVID 19. There is no vaccine for the common cold today as well as MERS. They stopped working on the one for SARS because the virus went away. What happens if there is no vaccine?

 

[JurDocDuLac]

A quick reminder of the live-stream Celebration of the Lord’s Passion

From Notre Dame´s Basilica of the Sacred Heart
3:00 p.m. ET today
campusministry nd edu

 

[Cali_domer]

A quick reminder of the live-stream Celebration of the Lord’s Passion

From Notre Dame´s Basilica of the Sacred Heart
3:00 p.m. ET today
campusministry nd edu

Thank you for sharing!

 

[JurDocDuLac]

For those of you who would like to take a few minutes to meditate on the Passion of Christ, here are some Youtube options (no direct link, just go to Youtube and use the search).

Enjoy.

The Stations of the Cross
MJCOCDS
15 minutes
A standard session of the Stations, with Rosary prayers, no reflection or interpretation. An easy, quick ritual.
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Stations of the Cross from the Holy Land
EWTN
27 minutes
Follow the Way of the Cross through its contemporary authentic sites, a prayerful journey with reflection
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Stations of the Cross (Catholic) - By St Alphonsus Liguori
32 minutes
Uses the meditation of Catholic Saint Alphonsus Ligouri and the Rosary prayers for the beautiful way of the cross.
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The Via Dolorosa Tour
HolyLandSite
25 minutes
A non-prayerful tour and explanation of the original sites as they are today. Pretty interesting, but not reflective or spiritual.

 

[TorontoGold]

1) You kinda made my point: the left thinks so little of the average person, they have to lie to them about the situation. Congrats.

2) I fully understand the objective of limiting contact, and I haven't been to the office. Kudos to you for being brand new and wishing Covid on someone. Classy.

I think you can agree the average person is a dumbass, otherwise you wouldnt need stay at home orders.

Please highlight when I said I wish covid on you. Follow your own signature line my guy.

 

[PerthDomer]

It's really once the case load falls and testing rises. The issue is you cant safely open everything immediately and probably cant go straight back to baseline. People wont want to fly or be in crowded bars for a while. We might not have a prolonged recession but it won't end in the snap of a finger.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

For those on the continuing of mitigating side of the fence, when would you be OK with that ending? I hear the until it is safe being thrown around (not sure what that even means). From what I have read to truly stop the virus, 60% of the population must have the antibodies which mitigation stops from happening. I also hear people say when there is a vaccine. We have all heard the doctors say that best case scenario is 12-18 months. Is that when you will be OK with opening things back up? There are currently seven known Corona viruses. Four of them cause the common cold and the other three are SARS, MERS and COVID 19. There is no vaccine for the common cold today as well as MERS. They stopped working on the one for SARS because the virus went away. What happens if there is no vaccine?

Depends on what you mean. The restrictions IMO should be tailored to the ability for the medical system to handle the strain, the ability for tests to be done and cases traced, etc. Perhaps hospital/nursing home visits can be allowed in places where they have rapid testing underway. If things start to improve maybe you allow restaurants to open at half capacity again. Mask use in public spaces/public transportation/airplanes should probably be enforced for a decent amount of time. Things don't have to go from total lockdown to total business-as-usual.