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[Rockin’Irish]

If you look at our population, we're healthier than we've ever been. The reason we've lost life expectancy is drug overdose, car accidents, and gun deaths. From a medical system perspective we're doing great.

After WW1 they had to have a commission because half of recruits were unfit for medical service. In the 50s/60s cancer and heart disease mortality were massive and we couldn't treat them. The thought that there was some glorious past where we were all Uber fit is laughable.

With all respect, I don’t buy it. Life expectancy is only one barometer of health IMO. I can see with my eyes what the population looks like and healthy is not the word I would use to describe it (and I do live in a state where this is very apparent). Our medical system is better at treating symptoms arising out of lifestyle as well as treating issues that are not related to lifestyle, 100% agree with you. I still stand on the belief that, whenever possible, preventing problems before they occur is the best approach. I’m going to predict that the obesity rates will continue to rise and along with that we’re going to see even more dependence on treating the symptoms. More money will be spent and costs will continue to skyrocket. As far as a glorious past, you’re right……there were plenty of problems back in the day as well but maybe not all the same problems as we have now. We’ve stepped forward in many areas of health but we’ve stepped back in others. Have you had a chance to watch the documentary recently released on Netflix about so called Blue Zones? Pretty interesting if you have a chance to catch it. I know anyone can present data to support their perspective but it’s still interesting to see the commonalities of diet, activity, social interaction, etc. that contribute to better health (and in this case that includes life expectancy and quality of life).

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Ozempic is really exciting. Every disease they've tested it on has shown improvement (heart attack/stroke in the right population, heart failure, type 1 diabetes, even some promising signs on substance abuse).

The issue with obesity is it's gotten cheaper over time to consume calories and we evolved to store fat to prepare for starvation. Fighting obesity through willpower is like an alligator opening his mouth when it's closed. They just didn't evolve to do it.

Efficacy-wise it’s hard to argue. The cardio-protection alone is what moves the needle. Do they know why one of the side effects is weight loss?

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Efficacy-wise it’s hard to argue. The cardio-protection alone is what moves the needle. Do they know why one of the side effects is weight loss?

My understanding is that it suppresses appetite by creating a feeling of fullness……which makes you eat less. I know a handful of people that it helped, until they stopped taking it.

 

[Giddyup]

When’s the govt gonna balance the budget? They’re spending all this trillions to their buddies.

 

[Giddyup]

Pharmaceuticals too

 

[Giddyup]

Money isn’t going to the bats

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If you look at our population, we're healthier than we've ever been. The reason we've lost life expectancy is drug overdose, car accidents, and gun deaths. From a medical system perspective we're doing great.

After WW1 they had to have a commission because half of recruits were unfit for medical service. In the 50s/60s cancer and heart disease mortality were massive and we couldn't treat them. The thought that there was some glorious past where we were all Uber fit is laughable.

Uhhh what? No, not even close. We are bigger (wider, not taller) than ever and heart disease is the number one cause of death.

 

[Lberry]

If you look at our population, we're healthier than we've ever been. The reason we've lost life expectancy is drug overdose, car accidents, and gun deaths. From a medical system perspective we're doing great.

After WW1 they had to have a commission because half of recruits were unfit for medical service. In the 50s/60s cancer and heart disease mortality were massive and we couldn't treat them. The thought that there was some glorious past where we were all Uber fit is laughable.

Are you a medical doctor? If you are it's worrisome that you actually have this perspective.

 

[Bluto]

Are you a medical doctor? If you are it's worrisome that you actually have this perspective.

For most of human history 99% of the worlds population was eeeking out an existence in what just about everyone today would consider abjectly miserable conditions and were a bad winter/infected wound away from dying. In fact most did before they hit 30!

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Are you a medical doctor? If you are it's worrisome that you actually have this perspective.

It’s worrisome that you can read this thread and NOT know Perth is a physician at Walter Reed…

 

[DillonHall]

I don't necessarily think we're healthier than ever before (at least not by a significant margin), but we're definitely better at keeping unhealthy people alive

 

[yankeehater]

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah defs not healthier than when there was running sewage was in the streets, or when people got scurvy. Or when food was filled with parasites and bacteria.

It's like marching into rural Congo and being like "Hey folks, you're actually pretty lucky! You don't have to eat the same garbage that we do. Never mind access to healthcare, don't need those globalist doctors getting you hooked on mEdIcIne."

Hell, even take it back to when child birth had a 1% of resulting your wife dying. Or go back to the early 1900's before a polio vaccine.

Of all the dumb shit posted in this thread, from Bobby to Koons 6 burner accounts - thinking that at this current point the populous is not in better shape than ever maybe needs to take some wormpaste to get rid of the brainworms. I know I know "he's not being nice11!!" but this shit is so embarrassing lmao.

 

[NDRock]

Yeah defs not healthier than when there was running sewage was in the streets, or when people got scurvy. Or when food was filled with parasites and bacteria.

It's like marching into rural Congo and being like "Hey folks, you're actually pretty lucky! You don't have to eat the same garbage that we do. Never mind access to healthcare, don't need those globalist doctors getting you hooked on mEdIcIne."

Hell, even take it back to when child birth had a 1% of resulting your wife dying. Or go back to the early 1900's before a polio vaccine.

Of all the dumb shit posted in this thread, from Bobby to Koons 6 burner accounts - thinking that at this current point the populous is not in better shape than ever maybe needs to take some wormpaste to get rid of the brainworms. I know I know "he's not being nice11!!" but this shit is so embarrassing lmao.

I love history, it’s why I’m generally happy and appreciative of everything I have. It’s the greatest time in history to be alive. Might as well enjoy it.

 

[Lberry]

It’s worrisome that you can read this thread and NOT know Perth is a physician at Walter Reed…

I have read like the last 3 pages, not the previous 170 and picked up that he might be.

Seems like many doctors - fully sold on what they're supposed to know and nothing else. It's not their fault, they're not researchers and don't have time. The manipulation is up stream from doctors in most cases these days.

 

[DillonHall]

Yeah defs not healthier than when there was running sewage was in the streets, or when people got scurvy. Or when food was filled with parasites and bacteria.

It's like marching into rural Congo and being like "Hey folks, you're actually pretty lucky! You don't have to eat the same garbage that we do. Never mind access to healthcare, don't need those globalist doctors getting you hooked on mEdIcIne."

Hell, even take it back to when child birth had a 1% of resulting your wife dying. Or go back to the early 1900's before a polio vaccine.

Of all the dumb shit posted in this thread, from Bobby to Koons 6 burner accounts - thinking that at this current point the populous is not in better shape than ever maybe needs to take some wormpaste to get rid of the brainworms. I know I know "he's not being nice11!!" but this shit is so embarrassing lmao.

Nobody is comparing 2023 to 1923. The more relevant comparison is the past 20-30 years. There's a difference between being healthy and staying alive. I think life expectancy is higher primarily because we're better at keeping unhealthy people alive (with medications and procedures), not because we're generally healthier. There are so many elderly people with looong medication lists (I think about 40% who take at least 5 medications)

 

[yankeehater]

Yeah defs not healthier than when there was running sewage was in the streets, or when people got scurvy. Or when food was filled with parasites and bacteria.

It's like marching into rural Congo and being like "Hey folks, you're actually pretty lucky! You don't have to eat the same garbage that we do. Never mind access to healthcare, don't need those globalist doctors getting you hooked on mEdIcIne."

Hell, even take it back to when child birth had a 1% of resulting your wife dying. Or go back to the early 1900's before a polio vaccine.

Of all the dumb shit posted in this thread, from Bobby to Koons 6 burner accounts - thinking that at this current point the populous is not in better shape than ever maybe needs to take some wormpaste to get rid of the brainworms. I know I know "he's not being nice11!!" but this shit is so embarrassing lmao.

You are well aware he was referring to the rise in obesity and the fact diabetes rates have risen in 2022 to over 37 million in the US which is just over 11% of population. We all know this leaves people vulnerable to things like covid.

Now that you mention "back in the day", due to the rising homeless population and open borders, diseases that were once eradicated in the US are once again returning. I was working in LA yesterday, there is plenty of running sewage in the streets.

 

[TorontoGold]

Nobody is comparing 2023 to 1923. The more relevant comparison is the past 20-30 years. There's a difference between being healthy and staying alive. I think life expectancy is higher primarily because we're better at keeping unhealthy people alive (with medications and procedures), not because we're generally healthier. There are so many elderly people with looong medication lists (I think about 40% who take at least 5 medications)

Isn't that an indicator of an advanced medical system that is improving the health of those people? The ability to give the families more time with their loved ones is an improvement to their own mental wellbeing. I honestly don't know how to argue my point if I'm not sure what metric you're measuring health on.

You are well aware he was referring to the rise in obesity and the fact diabetes rates have risen in 2022 to over 37 million in the US which is just over 11% of population. We all know this leaves people vulnerable to things like covid.

Now that you mention "back in the day", due to the rising homeless population and open borders, diseases that were once eradicated in the US are once again returning. I was working in LA yesterday, there is plenty of running sewage in the streets.

Of course those things are not good. Back in the day things like asthma would be ballgame for a lot of people. What would you use to measure health that shows a time period in which the population was healthier than they are today.

Don't think this thread is in the political forums yet, but I will say the absolute irony of wondering why diseases that are once eradicated are returning is *chefs kiss* that it's in the COVID thread.

 

[yankeehater]

Isn't that an indicator of an advanced medical system that is improving the health of those people? The ability to give the families more time with their loved ones is an improvement to their own mental wellbeing. I honestly don't know how to argue my point if I'm not sure what metric you're measuring health on.


Of course those things are not good. Back in the day things like asthma would be ballgame for a lot of people. What would you use to measure health that shows a time period in which the population was healthier than they are today.

Don't think this thread is in the political forums yet, but I will say the absolute irony of wondering why diseases that are once eradicated are returning is *chefs kiss* that it's in the COVID thread.

Who is wondering? What I stated, his been widely reported as the root cause. Does living in unsanitary conditions not lead to disease spread (please see your Congo comments)? The US used to be able to test for disease upon entering the country. That is not happening.

Why is discussing homelessness considered political? Would you then be assuming that one party is at fault for it?

BTW....you first mentioned sewage in the streets. I just stated it still currently exists. Saw it with my own eyes.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It’s worrisome that you can read this thread and NOT know Perth is a physician at Walter Reed…

It wouldnt matter anyway to Mr. Wooden Spoon. He'd still think Perth is a bought and paid for BIGPHARMA schill trying to conspire against the salt of the earth antivaxers who have a few questionable studies on their side.

@perth, I'm sorry you have to deal with type of general ignorance towards your profession and all the rigorous effort you have to put forth in order to stay current on healthcare in this country. On behalf of a great many grateful people, thank you.

 

[TorontoGold]

Who is wondering? What I stated, his been widely reported as the root cause. Does living in unsanitary conditions not lead to disease spread (please see your Congo comments)? The US used to be able to test for disease upon entering the country. That is not happening.

Why is discussing homelessness considered political? Would you then be assuming that one party is at fault for it?

BTW....you first mentioned sewage in the streets. I just stated it still currently exists. Saw it with my own eyes.

Medical Examinations FAQs

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Who's not getting tested? Travelers? I don't remember a time in which I was tested when going through US airports.

Because discussing homelessness in a COVID thread seems to be moving away from the nature of thread, but I don't personally have an issue discussing that. So, to that point - where is this increase of homelessness on a national level?

I think you mentioned you were in California recently, crime trends seem to be positive from prior years? Every city in the world will have sketchy bad parts to it. When was SF or NYC seen as clean? Before the recent outrage spree, SF was the capital of homosexuality and I don't think the same people here today considered it a great city then, and then NYC.....well has it ever been considered clean?

What metrics are you basing people being unhealthy today on?

 

[DillonHall]

Isn't that an indicator of an advanced medical system that is improving the health of those people? The ability to give the families more time with their loved ones is an improvement to their own mental wellbeing. I honestly don't know how to argue my point if I'm not sure what metric you're measuring health on.

I guess what I'm saying is the average person, without the assistance of medications and innovative procedures, is not much healthier than someone 20 years ago. Obesity and its complications are out of control but the medical field is keeping people alive longer

But hey, I'm a surgeon. I'll take the compliment as a member of "an advanced medical system"

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I guess what I'm saying is the average person, without the assistance of medications and innovative procedures, is not much healthier than someone 20 years ago. Obesity and its complications are out of control but the medical field is keeping people alive longer

But hey, I'm a surgeon. I'll take the compliment as a member of "an advanced medical system"

Thank you for your service.

 

[Blazers46]

I don't necessarily think we're healthier than ever before (at least not by a significant margin), but we're definitely better at keeping unhealthy people alive

We are fat and “happy” and obsessed with keeping our population addicted to drugs

 

[Rockin’Irish]

We are fat and “happy” and obsessed with keeping our population addicted to drugs

Our society is certainly addicted to the easy road and the promise of a magic pill to cure our ills. It kind of contradicts with ND’s mantra of Choose Hard.

 

[Blazers46]

Our society is certainly addicted to the easy road and the promise of a magic pill to cure our ills. It kind of contradicts with ND’s mantra of Choose Hard.

I tell my kids all the time, if you are relentless you will go far in this pussy society. Choose hard!!

 

[Bluto]

We are fat and “happy” and obsessed with keeping our population addicted to drugs

I would argue that large portions of American society are obsessed with self medicating due to the precarious nature of existing in a “winner take all world”.

 

[Blazers46]

I would argue that large portions of American society are obsessed with self medicating due to the precarious nature of existing in a “winner take all world”.

Winners and losers enjoy the splendors of addiction.

 

[Bluto]

Winners and losers enjoy the splendors of addiction.

“Winners” can afford rehab and therapy.

 

[Bluto]

I tell my kids all the time, if you are relentless you will go far in this pussy society. Choose hard!!

I’ve known a lot of poor people who needed to be relentless just to afford a place to live, keep the lights on and put gas in the car.