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Maybe he isn’t brilliant!

Don’t tell that to the MSM. Look at the disproportionately negative coverage on Cuomo vs Desantis, yet Cuomo is experiencing positive approval rating while DeSantis is experiencing decreasing approval ratings.
 

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OK ... maybe there is some usefulness in this UVC business. It, however, is not an obvious solution to our big problems.

The basic science: ultraviolet light generally will destroy micro-organisms and viruses along with mutating our own cells. UV is "divided" artificially by scientists into three wavelength ranges. UVA (near UV) is poorly filtered by the ozone layer and can cause some disinfecting action, suntan, and some amounts of skin cancer through over-exposure. UVB sneaks some amount through the ozone layer and is a real bad guy as to cancers. UVC is the shortest length UV class radiation (abutting up against the X-rays) but is entirely filtered out by the Ozone layer. "A" "B" and "C" decrease in wavelength, and thereby increase in potential chemical bond destruction, and (one would think) cellular danger and molecular damaging. To some degree that is correct.

BUT. Although UVC is theoretically a dangerous chemical bond-breaker, it (of course) has to "hit" that vulnerable cell or whatever to break that bond and ultimately flummox the cell's or the virus' ability to function. "Shine" that light directly on something and whatever organic molecules get "hit" may likely "break." For a micro-organism, "break" equals "die", so this has been used against Tuberculosis for a while.

UVC is used in human situations because if it is prevented from being too intense and just limited to human skin surfaces, the outer layers of our skin (dead cells called Keratinocytes I think I remember) will absorb the UVC stopping it from going deeper to the living level. If "germs" are on the surface, UVC may well kill them without damaging the person. This doesn't hold for the UVB range, so whatever your radiative device is must be very well engineered.

Also, in the COVID situation, the idea floated is to have all sensitive areas of personal interaction (especially medical, but also common areas such as grocery stores et al) outfitted with UVC devices. The idea of these would be to sterilize the air and, using air drafts/circulation, some percentage of contaminated surfaces. Not a dead simple thing.

1. This is EXPENSIVE.
2. It requires very good engineering --- air drafting to push air constantly over surfaces and upwards through the devices to bring contaminants close to the UV kill zones in the devices is one example of the engineering involved.
3. UVC is a form of Light, so it diminishes in intensity by the standard 1 over r-squared law. That means distances are just as important as radiation power in the initial generator. That's geometry and therefore more clever engineering.
4. It would be nice to know exactly what the vulnerability (fragility) of COVID was before we did all that engineering --- i.e. how much ZAP does it take to make it inert?
5. BIG money organizations MIGHT be able to afford all this --- Small ones surely couldn't.
6. The public is not only uneducated but almost hysterical when it comes to ANY mention of "radiation." How much trouble will their (ignorant --- yes that's all you can call it) emotions cause?

Well, the list can easily go on. You get the idea. NOT a quick fix to the COVID problem.
 
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OK ... maybe there is some usefulness in this UVC business. It, however, is not an obvious solution to our big problems.

The basic science: ultraviolet light generally will destroy micro-organisms and viruses along with mutating our own cells. UV is "divided" artificially by scientists into three wavelength ranges. UVA (near UV) is poorly filtered by the ozone layer and can cause some disinfecting action, suntan, and some amounts of skin cancer through over-exposure. UVB sneaks some amount through the ozone layer and is a real bad guy as to cancers. UVC is the shortest length UV class radiation (abutting up against the X-rays) but is entirely filtered out by the Ozone layer. "A" "B" and "C" decrease in wavelength, and thereby increase in potential chemical bond destruction, and (one would think) cellular danger and molecular damaging. To some degree that is correct.

BUT. Although UVC is theoretically a dangerous chemical bond-breaker, it (of course) has to "hit" that vulnerable cell or whatever to break that bond and ultimately flummox the cell's or the virus' ability to function. "Shine" that light directly on something and whatever organic molecules get "hit" may likely "break." For a micro-organism, "break" equals "die", so this has been used against Tuberculosis for a while.

UVC is used in human situations because if it is prevented from being too intense and just limited to human skin surfaces, the outer layers of our skin (dead cells called Keratinocytes I think I remember) will absorb the UVC stopping it from going deeper to the living level. If "germs" are on the surface, UVC may well kill them without damaging the person. This doesn't hold for the UVB range, so whatever your radiative device is must be very well engineered.

Also, in the COVID situation, the idea floated is to have all sensitive areas of personal interaction (especially medical, but also common areas such as grocery stores et al) outfitted with UVC devices. The idea of these would be to sterilize the air and, using air drafts/circulation, some percentage of contaminated surfaces. Not a dead simple thing.

1. This is EXPENSIVE.
2. It requires very good engineering --- air drafting to push air constantly over surfaces and upwards through the devices to bring contaminants close to the UV kill zones in the devices is one example of the engineering involved.
3. UVC is a form of Light, so it diminishes in intensity by the standard 1 over r-squared law. That means distances are just as important as radiation power in the initial generator. That's geometry and therefore more clever engineering.
4. It would be nice to know exactly what the vulnerability (fragility) of COVID was before we did all that engineering --- i.e. how much ZAP does it take to make it inert?
5. BIG money organizations MIGHT be able to afford all this --- Small ones surely couldn't.
6. The public is not only uneducated but almost hysterical when it comes to ANY mention of "radiation." How much trouble will their (ignorant --- yes that's all you can call it) emotions cause?

Well, the list can easily go on. You get the idea. NOT a quick fix to the COVID problem.

Thank you for the post Mike. The UV light is also used internally in the body (remember when people laughed at Trump) for even implying that could happen. The company is Aytu Bioscience and their device is currently being used by Cedar Sanai. They are now testing it on Covid patients. The scary thing to me was the reaction of Dr. Birx! She either had no idea the technology exists or believes Trump is the dumbest man alive or a combination of both. That should put a scare in you that the people put in charge of saving us from a deadly virus have no idea what is currently being used in the field. I have on several occasions brought up the drug Lironlimab. It has shown the most positive results especially in late stage Covid patients. That drug is now being used in compassionate care at UCLA. Hey, but let's continue to use Big Pharma drugs with all of their side effects. I posted a link on the UV technology.. There is a video on the company website that shows how it works. Sadly, once Trump mentioned the thought of such a thing this small Bio company has been getting harassed and threatened.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/president-trump-asked-light-inside-142434136.html
 
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Thank you for the post Mike. The UV light is also used internally in the body (remember when people laughed at Trump) for even implying that could happen. The company is Aytu Bioscience and their device is currently being used by Cedar Sanai. They are now testing it on Covid patients. The scary thing to me was the reaction of Dr. Birx! She either had no idea the technology exists or believes Trump is the dumbest man alive or a combination of both. That should put a scare in you that the people put in charge of saving us from a deadly virus have no idea what is currently being used in the field. I have on several occasions brought up the drug Lironlimab. It has shown the most positive results especially in late stage Covid patients. That drug is now being used in compassionate care at UCLA. Hey, but let's continue to use Big Pharma drugs with all of their side effects. I posted a link on the UV technology.. There is a video on the company website that shows how it works. Sadly, once Trump mentioned the thought of such a thing this small Bio company has been getting harassed and threatened.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/president-trump-asked-light-inside-142434136.html

Man, it's too bad he said he was being sarcastic, he really would have had something there...

Joking aside - very interesting, I wasn't aware that it was being used or even tested yet. It would be great if it evolved into an effective treatment. I think we're all ready for any good news, regardless of politics.
 

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Both of your links are blocked already.


We all really need to make sure we understand the water's we are about to encounter (tread lightly) before we try and change the world.


For my children's sake.

How about a group Forrest Gump thread.....

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since the link is now blocked, here's one from Taiwan news.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Chinese leader Xi Jinping (習近平) asked World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus to suppress news about the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak, the German intelligence agency BND found, according to a report by German magazine Der Spiegel.

During a conversation on Jan. 21, Xi reportedly asked Tedros not to announce that the virus could be transmitted between humans and to delay any declaration of a coronavirus pandemic.

It took until the end of January before the WHO declared that the coronavirus outbreak needed to receive international attention. Because of China’s delay, the world wasted four to six weeks it could have used better to counter the virus from spreading, the BND concluded.

Germany’s Robert Koch Institute also said that China failed to reveal all relevant information at the outset of the epidemic, leading it to turn to the BND for advice, according to a report in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung quoted by CNA.

In a response to the German media reports, Chinese diplomats said the opposite was true, arguing that the communist country’s handling of the virus saved time that was then wasted by other governments.
 

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since the link is now blocked, here's one from Taiwan news.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126

I have zero doubt that China has lied and hid tons of information here, but I'm confused as to why China would try to tell WHO not to make an announcement on January 21st, when China had already made their own announcement on January 20th that there was human to human transmission.
 

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I have zero doubt that China has lied and hid tons of information here, but I'm confused as to why China would try to tell WHO not to make an announcement on January 21st, when China had already made their own announcement on January 20th that there was human to human transmission.



There is also a trade deal that we set up with China,... and I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but I promise a few Billion dollars exchanging hands has a few things to talk about....
 

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-reports-lowest-number-covid-patients-in-a-month

It’s almost like a full lockdown wasn’t the answer[/QUOTE]

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I have zero doubt that China has lied and hid tons of information here, but I'm confused as to why China would try to tell WHO not to make an announcement on January 21st, when China had already made their own announcement on January 20th that there was human to human transmission.

IDK about the timing. But I don't think German intelligence has denied it. I will say that even with the Jan20 announcement, they still let people gather for the huge holiday celebration (just doesn't make sense to me). And, just a week before both China and WHO made it clear that there was no human to human risks. And if I read the timeline correctly, the folks that were the subjects of the findings (that human to human transmission was real), had been in the hospital for a while and the transmission cause was known well before the week they announced it.

And.... Zhong, who was the one that came out publicly, was openly a fan of Dr. Li (the doctor that first blew the whistle, was arrested for doing so, and later died). Was Zhong another whistle blower (on the 20th)? Zhong is a popular figure and IIRC considered a hero of the SARS era, so less susceptible to being arrested/silenced?

What is also interesting is that a day after Zhong makes that announcement.... Fauci states on TV that "This is not a major threat for the people of the United States".

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the German Intelligence angle. There's already plenty that clearly shows that China lied and covered things up. WAPO did a good article outlining a lot of the BS from China last month.
 

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IDK about the timing. But I don't think German intelligence has denied it. I will say that even with the Jan20 announcement, they still let people gather for the huge holiday celebration (just doesn't make sense to me). And, just a week before both China and WHO made it clear that there was no human to human risks. And if I read the timeline correctly, the folks that were the subjects of the findings (that human to human transmission was real), had been in the hospital for a while and the transmission cause was known well before the week they announced it.

And.... Zhong, who was the one that came out publicly, was openly a fan of Dr. Li (the doctor that first blew the whistle, was arrested for doing so, and later died). Was Zhong another whistle blower (on the 20th)? Zhong is a popular figure and IIRC considered a hero of the SARS era, so less susceptible to being arrested/silenced?

What is also interesting is that a day after Zhong makes that announcement.... Fauci states on TV that "This is not a major threat for the people of the United States".

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the German Intelligence angle. There's already plenty that clearly shows that China lied and covered things up. WAPO did a good article outlining a lot of the BS from China last month.

OK got it. Makes more sense now that I know Zhong holds no formal office in China, just an extremely respected doctor in China. So his announcement shouldn't be treated as an announcement from the Chinese government. Thus the Chinese could've still been pressuring the WHO on the 21st.
 

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I posted this link on the Impact of the Coronavirus on Medicaid, Marketplace and the Uninsured back when the released unemployment figures were just 3.5 million. They did some modeling which used scenarios of Low, Moderate and High impacts (Low scenario assumes 10 million people lose jobs; Medium: 21 million; High: 33 million.)

Time to revisit that with the recent Unemployment stats.

Layoffs were so severe, they nearly wiped out 10 years of job gains in just two months, and the official US unemployment rate surged to 14.7% (23 million) at the end of April.

The government’s jobs report — as has been standard for years — workers are counted as “unemployed” only if they were out of work and searched for a job in the last four weeks. Or if they were on a temporary layoff, with an expectation of being recalled to work within six months.

It does not include the millions of workers who lost their jobs and did not search for work (est. 2.3 million) or those working part-time who had their hours reduced (10.9 million). Including those, the unemployment number (called the U6 number) is 22.6%.

The modeling for the Low Estimate was 10% and the Moderate was 17%. The High modeling number is 25%.

The WH Economic Advisor said after the 14.7% figure came out that they expect unemployment claims to reflect a figure in excess of 20% (not including the U6 numbers). Not all of those recently unemployed have been able to file. The uninsured number will lag that. But the High model estimates that 39-40 million will not have health insurance. That does not include an increase estimated at 23 million that are projected to find insurance through Medicaid (71 million pre-COVID, 94 million with the High model).

The chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, told "Face the Nation" Sunday.
"To get unemployment rates like the ones that we're about to see, to get back to your question, which I think will climb up towards 20% by next month, you have to really go back to the Great Depression to see thaI think you can expect to see jobs probably trough in May or June."

Nine million people obtain health insurance through the federal exchange, which would be abolished should SCOTUS find that the ACA is unconstitutional.
 
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OK got it. Makes more sense now that I know Zhong holds no formal office in China, just an extremely respected doctor in China. So his announcement shouldn't be treated as an announcement from the Chinese government. Thus the Chinese could've still been pressuring the WHO on the 21st.

It's an interesting puzzle to be honest. I think that IF China was trying to pressure the WHO, is was more about them declaring a pandemic, as many already expected human to human transmission (cases were starting to pop outside of China). A pandemic declaration has far more reaching impact to travel, trade, etc.. IIRC, the Chinese were under heavy scrutiny at the time for arresting Li and others, and the day after Zhong's announcement, the Chinese gov came out with a statement with a soft apology for the treatment of Li and other doctors. Might have simply finally realized they had a cow they couldn't return to the barn.
 

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It's an interesting puzzle to be honest. I think that IF China was trying to pressure the WHO, is was more about them declaring a pandemic, as many already expected human to human transmission (cases were starting to pop outside of China). A pandemic declaration has far more reaching impact to travel, trade, etc.. IIRC, the Chinese were under heavy scrutiny at the time for arresting Li and others, and the day after Zhong's announcement, the Chinese gov came out with a statement with a soft apology for the treatment of Li and other doctors. Might have simply finally realized they had a cow they couldn't return to the barn.

Agreed. But the reliability of the pandemic part of the German Intelligence report was automatically put into question, because the human to human transmission part of the report didn't make sense to me initially given the timeline.

I thought that the Chinese government had already reported the human to human transmission part on the 20th and thus the German Intelligence report of pressuring WHO on the 21st didn't make sense. Now that I know the Chinese government wasn't the one making the human to human transmission claims on the 20th, it lends more credence to the report.
 

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Agreed. But the reliability of the pandemic part of the German Intelligence report was automatically put into question, because the human to human transmission part of the report didn't make sense to me initially given the timeline.

I thought that the Chinese government had already reported the human to human transmission part on the 20th and thus the German Intelligence report of pressuring WHO on the 21st didn't make sense. Now that I know the Chinese government wasn't the one making the human to human transmission claims on the 20th, it lends more credence to the report.

Now I'm reading that the guy who confirmed human to human transmission on the 20th was leading the government-appointed panel of experts that the Chinese government set up. So I'm back to being confused again. Still don't know why the Chinese would pressure WHO on the 21st to not report human to human transmission when the person who was leading their government appointed panel of experts had already confirmed that a day earlier.
 

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Now I'm reading that the guy who confirmed human to human transmission on the 20th was leading the government-appointed panel of experts that the Chinese government set up. So I'm back to being confused again. Still don't know why the Chinese would pressure WHO on the 21st to not report human to human transmission when the person who was leading their government appointed panel of experts had already confirmed that a day earlier.

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Now I'm reading that the guy who confirmed human to human transmission on the 20th was leading the government-appointed panel of experts that the Chinese government set up. So I'm back to being confused again. Still don't know why the Chinese would pressure WHO on the 21st to not report human to human transmission when the person who was leading their government appointed panel of experts had already confirmed that a day earlier.

After Zhong reported it on live TV, China reported his declaration of human to human transmission the next day in the paper........ On page 2... And Zhong was a health "leader", not a Health Minister or puppet (like I said he was critical of what happened to Li). I find it peculiar that Xiaowei (their actual Health Minister), who has been leading efforts to fight the COVID-19 pandemic as well as communication around it, didn't make the official announcement about H2H.... Don't you find that strange?

But again, I think any pressure would have been primarily aimed at the "pandemic" declaration. Like I said, many already assumed H2H transmission. The pandemic declaration actually is the big kapow to world impact. Hell, it was pretty obvious when Dr. Li was infected two weeks earlier, and admitted to the ICU a week prior, that he got the disease from one of his patients. And less high profile cases (the one that led to the declaration) happened earlier.

We also don't know exactly what leaked from German intel. The reporter could have a been told the Chinese pressured the Jan21 announcement, not pressured them ON Jan21. It'll be interested to see what comes out. What I find interesting, is that German Intel has not denied. it.
 

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Why aren't we all hearing about this situation (TERRIBLE ISSUE) from
the mainstream media?

MEAT!
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Why aren't we all hearing about this situation (TERRIBLE ISSUE) from
the mainstream media?

MEAT!
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The mainstream media, ag media sources, and Congress have reported these situations. Perhaps not with the outrage in these stupid videos. I believe I posted info on JBS in my post on the Grand Island COVID outbreak. Since I can't, can you find any sources that confirm one of the rancher's major assertionst that beef is being imported here from other countries?

Telll me you just don't take these without doing any diligence or attempt to verify the conspriatorial claims.

Here's a MSM article that brings facts on meat processing by JBS and other companies percentages of the meat processing industry (WashPo)
This foreign meat company got U.S. tax money. Now it wants to conquer America.

Excerpt:
The company’s explosive growth through acquisitions over the past decade has been a dominant factor in the consolidation of the meat industry by multinational companies.

A dozen years ago, JBS did not own a single U.S. meat plant. Today, JBS and three other food companies control about 85 percent of beef production. JBS and Tyson Foods control about 40 percent of the poultry market. And JBS and three other companies control nearly 70 percent of the pork market.

JBS and the large multinational meat companies, including Tyson Foods, Smithfield Foods and Cargill, use their size and global presence to create efficiencies that enable them to produce a variety of quality foods at a lower price. But many agricultural economists and food marketing analysts say when so few companies control the market, they can drive smaller operators out of business, reducing competition and sometimes raising prices for consumers.

JBS bought pieces of the other companies - Smithfield's beef processing segment in 2008, Pilgrim's Pride in 2009, Cargill's pork processing segment in 2015 for instance. Tyson and Cargill remain American-owned corporations that have grown from family businesses. Smithfield was sold to a Chinese company in 2013, raising concerns in Congress and among their constitutents about foreign investments in our food processing industry and potential impacts on farmers and ranchers.

In Iowa, 2020 candidates decry mega-mergers and falling farm incomes
 
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The mainstream media, ag media sources, and Congress have reported these situations. Perhaps not with the outrage in these stupid videos. I believe I posted info on JBS in my post on the Grand Island COVID outbreak. Since I can't, can you find any sources that confirm one of the rancher's major assertionst that beef is being imported here from other countries?

Telll me you just don't take these without doing any diligence or attempt to verify the conspriatorial claims.

Here's a MSM article that brings facts on meat processing by JBS and other companies percentages of the meat processing industry (WashPo)
This foreign meat company got U.S. tax money. Now it wants to conquer America.

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JBS bought pieces of the other companies - Smithfield's beef processing segment in 2008, Pilgrim's Pride in 2009, Cargill's pork processing segment in 2015 for instance. Tyson and Cargill remain American-owned corporations that have grown from family businesses. Smithfield was sold to a Chinese company in 2013, raising concerns in Congress and among their constitutents about foreign investments in our food processing industry and potential impacts on farmers and ranchers.

In Iowa, 2020 candidates decry mega-mergers and falling farm incomes
Hey bud. I'm not In this this to win. I'm In this to live and understand. I'm not sure what your argument has to do with Podcasts that inform in a way that Opinion news doesn't care to any longer.
Did you listen to the stupid podcast? Do you know that Youtube took down his Dr. Judy Podcast? He's hitting on Important subjects and people are concerned.
 

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I found myself questioning things after listening to Dr. Judy. She opened my eyes up and I would recommend buying her book to anyone that wants to understand the crises that we are involved with today.

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https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Corruption-Restoring-Promise-Science-ebook/dp/B07S5H6T4Q

http://plaguethebook.com/


We are being systematically thrown under a bus the size of freedom.
I am perplexed at this Idea that Dumbing down America Is OK???

They Took Dr Judy's video down and If you ain't scared... We are all doomed.


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I go out of my way to not read the comments In most every Youtube video.

Bot's can be ridiculously biased without the human spirit surviving.
 

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We are being systematically thrown under a bus the size of freedom.
I am perplexed at this Idea that Dumbing down America Is OK???

They Took Dr Judy's video down and If you ain't scared... We are all doomed.


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It was taken down because it had a ton of copyright violations, not for the fact everything in it is a lie.
 

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It was taken down because it had a ton of copyright violations, not for the fact everything in it is a lie.

Ok. Everything In It Is a lie Is a very scary statement. I'm not saying your wrong, but... My question Is, what Is everything and what Is the Lie?
Everything In It, can't possibly be a lie.

The logical way I see this myself Is... can the information she provided help or hurt..... Power and tyranny should win out in our day today? It's gotta be hurting something?....
Technically, the values of our existence does need a reasonable discussion. Not just random pieces... that don't make any sense.. I guess It's not supposed to make sense....
 
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Ok. Everything In It Is a lie Is a very scary statement. I'm not saying your wrong, but... My question Is, what Is everything and what Is the Lie?
Everything In It, can't possibly be a lie.

Every talking point Judy Mikovits says is a lie. It's not really even worth discussion because it takes away from the many rational cases for reopening the country, but nonetheless here is a link debunking nearly everything: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral
 

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Every talking point Judy Mikovits says is a lie. It's not really even worth discussion because it takes away from the many rational cases for reopening the country, but nonetheless here is a link debunking nearly everything: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

Ok. I am civil and love these types of conversations.
Not many people are built to struggle (in the way they are today) and when we try to find reasons to discredit people that have first hand involvement with the demons we are facing in today's day and age,... It makes facts and the want for more information blinding.


"In a video that has exploded on social media in the past few days, virologist Judy Mikovits claims the new coronavirus is being wrongly blamed for many deaths. She makes head-scratching assertions about the virus—for instance, that it is “activated” by face masks."

The first paragraph from that article Is false and I stopped reading. She didn't say that masks activate the virus. She said, and I'll go off the cuff.... "masks do not help and the lack of oxygen and fresh air have no real scientific proof of making this virus less of a danger."
I am completely confused why both parties can't want more information. We are being told what to think and feel. That's a problem.
 
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