Coaching Changes

[IrishNJ89]

So where does Kelly and Co go from here. I'm sure he already has a plan in place, I doubt he is sitting in his office twiddling his thumbs,worrying about Urban.

I don't see him making another in-house hire via another grad assistant. He needs to add two more to the staff. How fast do you think he pulls the trigger?

 

[NYMIKE6]

I think he has had a plan already in place.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

2. Let's dispell this myth about Warriner being an incredible OC. Mangini at Kansas ran everything there. That was his baby, not Warriner's. Remember, Mangini was behind the offensive success at OK under Stoops. Warriner called plays for ONE year under Mangini (in which he did a very good job, no doubt). Warriner as a slam dunk for OC is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Exactly right. Mangino ran the offense at KU just like Kelly runs the offense at ND. BK brought in Warriner because he knows the spread, but he was a huge second fiddle in both places.

But, yes, the offensive line was better this year than it has been in years.

 

[enrico514]

Hopefully BK has been working on this for a while now but what are the available options out there for the 2 free positions we have you guys would like to see...

 

[enrico514]

So where does Kelly and Co go from here. I'm sure he already has a plan in place, I doubt he is sitting in his office twiddling his thumbs,worrying about Urban.

I don't see him making another in-house hire via another grad assistant. He needs to add two more to the staff. How fast do you think he pulls the trigger?

^^^^ This

How fast and who ???

 

[kmoose]

Loss of Hinton. No big deal as it was expected.

Loss of Warinner. Big Loss! Not getting the OC job basically pushed him out. The OL played exceptionally well throughout the season.

You didn't happen to catch the Stanford game, did you?

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

1. Martin ran the offense at GVSU and took the program to even higher heights than Kelly did. Kelly is very comfortable with him at OC.

2. Let's dispell this myth about Warriner being an incredible OC. Mangini at Kansas ran everything there. That was his baby, not Warriner's. Remember, Mangini was behind the offensive success at OK under Stoops. Warriner called plays for ONE year under Mangini (in which he did a very good job, no doubt). Warriner as a slam dunk for OC is a bit of a stretch IMO.

But I'm NOT happy to see him go though. He did a great job with the O-line. I can see why he left, having been passed over. Hopefully BK gets another good O-line coach (he's done a fantastic job with his staff so far - people were ripping his hires and for the most part they've been great hires. I trust hm with this)...

Martin was the head coach @GVSU; and prior to being the head coach, he was the defensive co-ordinator. He has never to my knowledge, and please correct me if I am wrong, coached the offensive side of the ball...not as an offensive positions coach or as an offensive coordinator. When you write that "he ran the offense @GVSU", what do you mean? He had an offensive coordinator @GVSU while he was the head coach.

Since Warinner took the reins of the OL, have you noticed a difference in their play? I definitely have. Tommy Rees would be in the ICU if he played behind the previous OLines. The running lanes were impressive...even with no threat of a run from the QB position. I think Warinner would have been perfect for the OC. He was one of the few coaches on the staff that wasn't in Kelly's circle of trust coaches.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I never said ND lost every head to head battle. Nor did I say that we never got someone Meyer wanted. I even pointed to one specific instance (Hendrix) where Meyer was not able to poach from Brian Kelly.

Never said you said any of those things. Next.

Given Meyer and his history and his knowledge of Notre Dame, Meyer will continue to be a thorn in Notre Dame's side. So his history is absolutely relevant to the discussion. Brian just received a shot across his bow from the man who made Charlie Weis his recruting boy. It doesn't have to be the same. But that depends on Brian Kelly.

Hinton has been boys with Meyer for decades, and he had the whole pension thing going. Nothing Kelly could do about that. I hate losing Warriner, but Urban got a guy Kelly doesn't think is good enough to promote. Not the end of the world for Kelly.

I agree that Urban will be a thorn in our side. But how big is the question. Right now, big b/c of 2 coaches, and I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped Decker. After that, not so much. We simply do not go after many of the same players. We'll still get some Catholic school kids from Ohio, you'll see. And we'll lose a couple kids too.

Your claim that I'm wrongfully equating Meyer vs CW with Meyer vs Kelly is also ironic, since you equate Kelly and them turning around Lynch and Tuitt to proof of what this staff might do up against Meyer. Lynch and Tuitt didn't decommit and commit to Meyer. We don't know what the outcome would have been if Lynch and Tuitt committed to Meyer if he were coaching at the time.

Ironic? LOL - I was just following your lead.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Not premium a source but one none the less so TIFWIW

Very possible this was planned because of all the issues on game day, poor communication on the offensive side of the ball. It seems apparent Things weren't going to smooth on that side of the ball.

 

[phgreek]

I ran to get popcorn and a coke, and came back to ...this.

BTW, I saw enough to see the gauntlet get thrown down...PM me with the time and date...hehehehe! Vbucks????

Anyway, Lateral move(s)...I get the pension thing...but unless they said they would leave to go to tOSU when they were hired, its still not ehtical in that I'm pretty sure BK said no laterals as part of the conditions for hire.

How is this really all that different than Todd Graham? Burning bridges in Wariner and Hinton's rearview mirrors.

Thanks for the effort guys, but whatever you think justifies the move...did you disclose it before you took the ND job...would you have gotten the job had you disclosed?

I realize ethical standards are gone...but I still have 'em, and this was lacking...and yea I judge people based on their conduct in situations like this...both those guys...no better than any other prostitute with a whistle.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

You didn't happen to catch the Stanford game, did you?

When you have a QB who can't pass beyond 15 yards and is more immobile than your OL, you will have problems when facing a decent defense. I know that Rees is your blind spot. You have remarked generally that we aren't ready yet and that we need to improve every position to compete...yet you rarely make a critical remark regarding the position that basically buried us this year.

 

[kmoose]

When you have a QB who can't pass beyond 15 yards and is more immobile than your OL, you will have problems when facing a decent defense. I know that Rees is your blind spot. You have remark generally that we aren't ready yet and that we need to improve every position to compete...yet you rarely make a critical remark regarding the position that basically buried us this year.

You made the assertion that the Offensive Line had "played exceptionally well throughout the season." I was merely pointing out that they did have their moments when they did NOT play well.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Has he ever been an offensive coordinator? Has he ever coached the offensive side of the ball? I know he became the head coach after Kelly left GVSU.

What this choice tells me is that Kelly was more worried of losing Martin than Warinner. Why? I think Diaco is doing a good job. Is there something we don't know.

Warinner seemed like a no brainer pick to be the OC. He had success in Kansas! If you can have success in Kansas, you can succeed anywhere.

Yes he was the head coach/OC/quarterbacks coach.

 

[Rhode Irish]

SoCal, you've got some serious PTSD-induced Meyerphobia. Relax, man. Losing a couple position coaches, as good as they are, is not the end of the program. If you think about the situation objectively, it isn't a total shock these guys would go at this point. And that is ok. It's just life. We'll be all right, man.

 

[rtrn2glory]

We need a good o line coach to build on what warriner did...best position coach we had. i wonder if there was a little turmoil in the office between coaches over the course of the year?

 

[phgreek]

You made the assertion that the Offensive Line had "played exceptionally well throughout the season." I was merely pointing out that they did have their moments when they did NOT play well.

after Cave went down...we seemed to regress some in that whenever a D line needed to make a play they did, or we got flagged...

 

[NYMIKE6]

SoCal, you've got some serious PTSD-induced Meyerphobia. Relax, man. Losing a couple position coaches, as good as they are, is not the end of the program. If you think about the situation objectively, it isn't a total shock these guys would go at this point. And that is ok. It's just life. We'll be all right, man.

Thank you. That statement was like hitting a J after a 16 hour day.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Heard Warriner is going to Nebraska...any truth to that?

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

University of Notre Dame Football Coaching Staff Update - UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site

"Bob Diaco named assistant head coach, Chuck Martin named offensive coordinator, Kerry Cooks named co-defensive coordinator, Scott Booker promoted to full-time assistant and contract extensions for assistant coaches announced."

"Former Notre Dame running backs coach Tim Hinton and offensive line coach Ed Warinner left the program to pursue other opportunities. "

I can only hope this means Diaco will move to the field on gameday and cooks will be his eye in the sky. Its his D and his linebackers(still lb coach i assume) he needs to be on the field teaching and getting the troops fired up when things go bad.

 

[returnofthemack]

Most of the moves make sense. As others have said, Martin was a boss at GVSU with the same offense. I don't think Alford has done anything that warrants a pay raise (besides recruiting). He's the receivers coach, and none of the receivers other than Floyd looked very good. Of course, that could be more Rees' fault. Losing Warinner hurts. Do you guys know of any candidates? It would be great if we could snag Stanford's O-line coach.

 

[returnofthemack]

By the way, I don't know why you guys are hating on Urban so much. From what I read, it seems like he was one of Hinton's good friends. Also, it's not like he's at a no-name school. As long as he restores OSU's streak over scUM, I have no problem.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Heard Warriner is going to Nebraska...any truth to that?

There is some message board chatter. Would maybe make keeping Decker a bit easier.

EDIT: That was from 2011. My bad.
EDIT2: But, there is some message board chatter. This is tiring...

 

[SoCalDomer]

I agree that Urban will be a thorn in our side. But how big is the question. Right now, big b/c of 2 coaches, and I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped Decker. After that, not so much. We simply do not go after many of the same players. We'll still get some Catholic school kids from Ohio, you'll see. And we'll lose a couple kids too.

You're assuming Meyer is going to stick to Ohio. Historically he has not recruited far from home (Florida, while there) but that was because he didn't have to. I don't see any reason why he won't reach down to Florida considering his former ties to the state.

Also, it doesn't matter how many players ND recruits out of Ohio or how many ND recruits in common with Ohio State. It only takes one poached player per year to become a problem. Even if no players are poached, his negative recruiting tactics may be enough to cause a problem.

Maybe, might be, could be, won't be. I'm not saying it will. But anyone dismissing Meyer for the future is ignoring the past. And the past is ugly. Stuff you don't even want to talk about in therapy.

Omar Hunter is all Irish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

time for my meds?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

What are we paying ND assistants?

 

[BCSorBust]

Martin was the head coach @GVSU; and prior to being the head coach, he was the defensive co-ordinator. He has never to my knowledge, and please correct me if I am wrong, coached the offensive side of the ball...not as an offensive positions coach or as an offensive coordinator. When you write that "he ran the offense @GVSU", what do you mean? He had an offensive coordinator @GVSU while he was the head coach.

Since Warinner took the reins of the OL, have you noticed a difference in their play? I definitely have. Tommy Rees would be in the ICU if he played behind the previous OLines. The running lanes were impressive...even with no threat of a run from the QB position. I think Warinner would have been perfect for the OC. He was one of the few coaches on the staff that wasn't in Kelly's circle of trust coaches.

My brother played on offense at GVSU where Martin was the OC/head coach/ and QB coach. He took over the offensive side of the ball as soon as Kelly left so that he could be a complete coach and he was excellent. He also was very involved with the line although was not the specific oline coach.

 

[SoCalDomer]

SoCal, you've got some serious PTSD-induced Meyerphobia. Relax, man. Losing a couple position coaches, as good as they are, is not the end of the program. If you think about the situation objectively, it isn't a total shock these guys would go at this point. And that is ok. It's just life. We'll be all right, man.

Alls I'm saying is, its starting to look like history repeating itself. Not in exactly the same way. But people signed-up after 2009 don't know what it was like when Meyer rode into town, dropped a nuclear bomd and rode away with the pretty girls. I'm still traumatized. And the fall-out made me grow a third arm out my chest. So at least I got that going for me.

I'm easy like Sunday morning.

Serenity-now.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

My brother played on offense at GVSU where Martin was the OC/head coach/ and QB coach. He took over the offensive side of the ball as soon as Kelly left so that he could be a complete coach and he was excellent. He also was very involved with the line although was not the specific oline coach.

Ok. Let's hope our offense excels as GVSU's offense did under his tenure. It would be wise for Kelly to delegate playcalling duties to him.

 

[SoCalDomer]

By the way, I don't know why you guys are hating on Urban so much. From what I read, it seems like he was one of Hinton's good friends. Also, it's not like he's at a no-name school. As long as he restores OSU's streak over scUM, I have no problem.

There is a thread on here, I believe called the Muck and the Meyer. (Actually, just search for "Meyer" in a thread title and select ascending order, there's a bund about his pathological lying ways.) It is a chronicle of one of the dirtiest coaches/recruiters/men I have witnessed in college football. Saban appears to be doing his best to unseat Meyer. I presume that is why he didn't stay in the pros long. I also believe Saban moving in on his honor is what caused Meyer came back to college football. Cause you know serious heart conditions suddenly heal.

Either that or he had a dream about Tebow finding some extra eligibility. I expect the NCAA to grant a 6th-20th year for Tebow, just cuz Urban is such a nice guy.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

This just sucks.

F*CK I hate Urban Meyer

 

[enrico514]

Just goes to show a kid shouldn't pick a school based on the coaching staff in place during recruitment. That being said... BK should let the world know ASAP who the position coaches are going to be in'12 !!!