Coaching Carousel

[DONTH8]

The Swinney Coaching Tree:

 

[Irish4life]

I for one think Notre Dame DC Chris Ash would be a great candidate for Oklahoma State

 

[Bane]

Va Tech and UCLA are both career suicide. It's not 2005 anymore.

Disagree on VT. They would be poised to make a run in the ACC with the right coach at the helm. UCLA has made some disastrous decisions despite the huge locationa advantage they have

I do agree that UCLA is career suicide now. The move to the B1G is going to destroy their football program. They simply will never be able to compete there.

VT, I agree can be a good job because of it's conference. VT is also a job with relatively reasonable expectations. No one is expected to go in there and win multiple titles and dominate. The right fit there, a guy who can really build a strong culture could have them in the playoff hunt pretty regularly in my opinion.

 

[SportsingHard]

I do agree that UCLA is career suicide now. The move to the B1G is going to destroy their football program. They simply will never be able to compete there.

VT, I agree can be a good job because of it's conference. VT is also a job with relatively reasonable expectations. No one is expected to go in there and win multiple titles and dominate. The right fit there, a guy who can really build a strong culture could have them in the playoff hunt pretty regularly in my opinion.

While every program is a megadonor away from contention, I agree, I would stay the hell away from UCLA right now.

In addition to a less competitive conference and reasonable expectations, VT has (admittedly tenuous) in-state supremacy in underrated recruiting grounds. There are Lawrence Taylors, Bruce Smiths, Allen Iversons, and Michael Vicks to be had.

 

[Irishdawg]

While every program is a megadonor away from contention, I agree, I would stay the hell away from UCLA right now.

In addition to a less competitive conference and reasonable expectations, VT has (admittedly tenuous) in-state supremacy in underrated recruiting grounds. There are Lawrence Taylors, Bruce Smiths, Allen Iversons, and Michael Vicks to be had.

Plus, Enter Sandman!!

 

[ulukinatme]

Plus, Enter Sandman!!

If I was Metallica I'd be embarrassed to be associated with VT right now.

 

[ulukinatme]

I gotta think Cignetti goes to the highest bidder this off-season... right?

If Cignetti is smart he gets out after this year. Deion should have gotten out after last season. He's had the benefit of weak scheduling and a few transfers to make them look good. The schedule is slightly tougher next year with OSU, USC, and Michigan, not to mention they have to fly out to Washington who is looking better this year and could be difficult.

 

[SportsingHard]

If I was Metallica I'd be embarrassed to be associated with VT right now.

While I do regard the black album as a classic, I aways felt bad for both parties being associated with manpussy Lars Ulrich.

 

[Irish#1]

If Cignetti is smart he gets out after this year. Deion should have gotten out after last season. He's had the benefit of weak scheduling and a few transfers to make them look good. The schedule is slightly tougher next year with OSU, USC, and Michigan, not to mention they have to fly out to Washington who is looking better this year and could be difficult.

I'm not a Cignetti fan, but IU is spending the money to get players. He might be legit.

 

[stlnd01]

I do agree that UCLA is career suicide now. The move to the B1G is going to destroy their football program. They simply will never be able to compete there.

VT, I agree can be a good job because of it's conference. VT is also a job with relatively reasonable expectations. No one is expected to go in there and win multiple titles and dominate. The right fit there, a guy who can really build a strong culture could have them in the playoff hunt pretty regularly in my opinion.

That's the beauty of the ACC. No one's that dominant - especially if one thinks Clemson is fading and FSU continues to wander in irrelevance - and there's a lot of talent in Virginia and North Carolina. It does not appear that the Belichick experiment will succeed at UNC, and UVA's nothing special.

So Va. Tech has a lane if they can grab it, and with the right coach and backing there's no reason they couldn't thrive - by which I mean become a consistent contender for conference titles and at-large CFP spots, but not to the point that not making the CFP would be viewed as a failed season.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Who dares challenge Dabo's authority?

This is in no way an effective method to building a coaching staff. It's pretty moronic.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

100%

I’ve posted this many times so scroll on if it’s redundant but ask any average CFB fan to name the coach who preceded these big name coaches who won it all at their respective school:

Mack Brown @ Texas
Steve Spurrier @ UF
Howard Schnellenberger @ Miami
Pete Carroll @ SC
Nick Saban @ LSU
Gene Stallings @ Bama
Nick Saban @ Bama (name all 4)


99.9% of CFB fans can’t name all the HC who preceded the above w/ the assistance of Google or AI.

-John Malkovich.
-IDK
-IDK
-Paul Can'thackett
-Jerry Digardino
-IDK
-Shula?

 

[Katzenboyer]

Collin Klein has been thrown out there

Gotta think they'll take a long look at Ben Arbuckle, who fits what OKSt. wants to be.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

-John Malkovich.
-IDK
-IDK
-Paul Can'thackett
-Jerry Digardino
-IDK
-Shula?

He was great in "In the Line of Fire"

 

[Katzenboyer]

I gotta think Cignetti goes to the highest bidder this off-season... right?

Don't think he's going anywhere. IU is finally putting money into the football program, and he's pretty much guaranteed 9-3 every year in the B10. Why would he leave for another job when he's got a pretty nice situation in Bloomington?

He's also making $8 million a year. While that's clearly not top dollar in today's world of CFB, I don't think IU would have any issues meeting any contract he might get offered from another school.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

He was great in "In the Line of Fire"

Pay zat man his money.

 

[dublinirish]

Don't think he's going anywhere. IU is finally putting money into the football program, and he's pretty much guaranteed 9-3 every year in the B10. Why would he leave for another job when he's got a pretty nice situation in Bloomington?

He's also making $8 million a year. While that's clearly not top dollar in today's world of CFB, I don't think IU would have any issues meeting any contract he might get offered from another school.

Dude's ego is massive. Its not going to be satisfied with 9 wins in Bloomington

 

[SportsingHard]

-John Malkovich.
-IDK
-IDK
-Paul Can'thackett
-Jerry Digardino
-IDK
-Shula?

I get that you're playing around, but you do know Gerry DiNardo was an All-American at ND, right?

 

[Katzenboyer]

Dude's ego is massive. Its not going to be satisfied with 9 wins in Bloomington

I mean I think he's a helluva coach and will get more than 9 wins in Bloomington every year; but that's the floor. Why go to Florida and have to battle like hell to get to 8-4 every year when you can kick back, collect fat checks, and go to the playoffs at IU almost every year?

(And yes, I know it's absolutely insane to have this conversation comparing IU to UF in terms of football. Gotta love the NIL era!).

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Disagree on VT. They would be poised to make a run in the ACC with the right coach at the helm. UCLA has made some disastrous decisions despite the huge locationa advantage they have

They don't have the great history that Miami and FSU have, they aren't in a talent rich area, the talent they do develop will get snatched up by bigger programs, and their NIL is almost nonexistent.

 

[Katzenboyer]

They don't have the great history that Miami and FSU have, they aren't in a talent rich area, the talent they do develop will get snatched up by bigger programs, and their NIL is almost nonexistent.

I think VT's biggest problem is that every program in the country now recruits the Hampton Roads/Tidewater area. VT made a killing by basically putting a fence around that area in the late 90s and early 2000s, but they're no longer able to do so.

It's the same reason Miami hasn't won the ACC since they moved in 2004; back then, they owned Dade/Broward/Palm Beach County, and only occasionally would lose a local kid to UF or FSU. Now, everyone recruits the area and they aren't able to take advantage of the location.

 

[FU BK]

Don't think he's going anywhere. IU is finally putting money into the football program, and he's pretty much guaranteed 9-3 every year in the B10. Why would he leave for another job when he's got a pretty nice situation in Bloomington?

He's also making $8 million a year. While that's clearly not top dollar in today's world of CFB, I don't think IU would have any issues meeting any contract he might get offered from another school.

Sad day we live in when IU is more of a football school than a basketball school.

 

[irishff1014]

That's the beauty of the ACC. No one's that dominant - especially if one thinks Clemson is fading and FSU continues to wander in irrelevance - and there's a lot of talent in Virginia and North Carolina. It does not appear that the Belichick experiment will succeed at UNC, and UVA's nothing special.

So Va. Tech has a lane if they can grab it, and with the right coach and backing there's no reason they couldn't thrive - by which I mean become a consistent contender for conference titles and at-large CFP spots, but not to the point that not making the CFP would be viewed as a failed season.

Is this an upgrade for Cignetti?

If Clemson fires Dabo is this the right fit for him?

 

[irishu]

Dabo to Cig would be quite the culture shock hahaha

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I get that you're playing around, but you do know Gerry DiNardo was an All-American at ND, right?

He sure was but he was not a great HC. He was solid and did better than his predecessor but that was a low bar. LSU has never been the same since DiNardo was fired…and that’s a good thing for LSU. I remember reading an article on Saban & when he took Sparty down to Shreveport to face LSU in the Independence Bowl he realized that he needed to coach in the South to get the type of athletes he saw across the field from him. DiNardo’s Tigers beat Saban handily, but Nick got the last laugh as he accepted the HC job to replace DiNardo soon after that bowl game.

 

[SportsingHard]

He sure was but he was not a great HC. He was solid and did better than his predecessor but that was a low bar. LSU has never been the same since DiNardo was fired…and that’s a good thing for LSU. I remember reading an article on Saban & when he took Sparty down to Shreveport to face LSU in the Independence Bowl he realized that he needed to coach in the South to get the type of athletes he saw across the field from him. DiNardo’s Tigers beat Saban handily, but Nick got the last laugh as he accepted the HC job to replace DiNardo soon after that bowl game.

All true except I believe Saban's perspective wasn't so much that he needed Southern players so much as he couldn't build the program he wanted so long as he had to compete with UM for area recruits, which is perhaps both understandable and strange since he was outrecruiting UM for HS legends like TJ Duckett and Charles Rogers, in addition to pulling in distant studs like Plaxico. (I was attending MSU while Saban was there. I delivered him a pizza, and at 5'8" I felt like I was towering over him.)

DiNardo kicked ass, relatively speaking, at Vanderbilt, with all losing records but a better winning percentage than Clark Lea or anybody in modern history not named James Franklin. Then he significantly improved LSU for three years before struggling in his last two seasons.
Saban arrived at the right time. LSU was the last of the SEC schools to integrate, and it took decades for Southern schools to work the cycle of find more success/prestige -> keep more talent home -> more success/prestige -> keep more talent home, and for a very long time most kids at predominantly Black high schools in the South and North weren't getting well-developed in high school. Saban arrived once decades of gradual changes had solidified and the SEC was finally poised to dominate.

 

[Irish#1]

Don't think he's going anywhere. IU is finally putting money into the football program, and he's pretty much guaranteed 9-3 every year in the B10. Why would he leave for another job when he's got a pretty nice situation in Bloomington?

He's also making $8 million a year. While that's clearly not top dollar in today's world of CFB, I don't think IU would have any issues meeting any contract he might get offered from another school.

I agree and the stability of the ACC and TV money isn’t close to what the B1G has

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Va Tech and UCLA are both career suicide. It's not 2005 anymore.

Yeah, it's 2025. Make $5M a year and get bought out when you get fired, go land on TV or at an assistant coaching job. Maybe even be a head coach again.

Pry was getting about $5M a year, Foster was making over $3M. These alphas all think they're the guy who can turn it around. They're not looking at these jobs from a fan's historical perspective. Someone, in a few months, is going to leave a good football situation to take these jobs and give it a go.

Doesn't really seem like a career hanging itself in the toilet, but I get what you're saying.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Dude's ego is massive. Its not going to be satisfied with 9 wins in Bloomington

He could potentially be the most powerful person on campus winning 9 football games a year.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. He might stay as long as they'll have him because he can do what he wants. They had a basketball coach in a different era under a different administration who was king of the castle.

It's all about power.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Dude's ego is massive. Its not going to be satisfied with 9 wins in Bloomington

He’s going to have more than 9 wins in both his first 2 seasons. What are you talking about.