Coaching Carousel

[stlnd01]

Keep winning and going to the CFP and those no pressure, low expectation fans will become relentless like they are with basketball. IU has an absolute shit ton of billionaire money backing their athletics right now. They are dead serious about fixing the basketball program and are more than pleased with where Cig has the football program. The fans response to losing on the grid iron will soon mimic the bball court if Cig starts going 6-6, 7-5, hell even 8-4....after back to back years in the playoff race.

That may well be, but he'll be a rich man either way, and forever the guy who made Indiana football relevant.

 

[Bane]

I'm sure they're lining up around the door for Kent State. Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State and the rest of the P4 schools in the region now pay their assistants as good or better than what a MAC head coach makes. This former NFL player, who is an alum of the institution, has said out loud at least one time he'd be interested. If he has the enthusiasm and love for his alma mater dear, perhaps....just perhaps....it's a shot that Kent State might be worth taking?

Full disclosure, I don't have my finger hotly on the pulse of MAC hiring practices. I work full time.

Honestly, I never thought that of all the guesses on that list, Kent State would be the one to spark a conversation. LOL. FFS. This board is truly a treasure.

I think these G5 jobs are at an all time low (or at least in recent, modern history) in desirability because the meta of HC hiring at the top level has shifted. Coaching a G5 school is almost seen as a mark against someone (and definitely is in the case of Florida, their fan base would riot if another G5 coach is hired). The path that Brian Kelly took is much harder know. It seems many P4 programs, especially top ones, value P4 coaching experience over prior HC experience if that HC experience came from the G5.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

That may well be, but he'll be a rich man either way, and forever the guy who made Indiana football relevant.

Agreed, but that's not the point I was making in response to Irish#1. If the idea is that IU football fans have no expectations and it's an easier job to be in because of said lack of pressure, one only needs to look at the same IU fans who have ruthlessly attacked the basketball program (and rightfully so) for decades. If Cig has continued success, the expectations and pressure will adjust accordingly at that school. The fans there are diehard and the money backing the athletics dept is damn near limitless at this point.

 

[stlnd01]

I think these G5 jobs are at an all time low (or at least in recent, modern history) in desirability because the meta of HC hiring at the top level has shifted. Coaching a G5 school is almost seen as a mark against someone (and definitely is in the case of Florida, their fan base would riot if another G5 coach is hired). The path that Brian Kelly took is much harder know. It seems many P4 programs, especially top ones, value P4 coaching experience over prior HC experience if that HC experience came from the G5.

It's an interesting question. For elite programs, G5 guys like Norvell and Napier have not worked out, while big-program coordinators like Lanning and Freeman obviously have. But worth noting that right now today, the three hottest stories in coaching took three different paths to their jobs:

Cignetti: successful G5 coach
Lea: Coordinator at a major P4
Brent Key: Internal promotion

So, there are many paths to glory.

 

[stlnd01]

Agreed, but that's not the point I was making in response to Irish#1. If the idea is that IU football fans have no expectations and it's an easier job to be in because of said lack of pressure, one only needs to look at the same IU fans who have ruthlessly attacked the basketball program (and rightfully so) for decades. If Cig has continued success, the expectations and pressure will adjust accordingly at that school. The fans there are diehard and the money backing the athletics dept is damn near limitless at this point.

I dunno. You could say the same about Notre Dame, just flip football and basketball. But no one ever really came for Mike Brey when the program backslid in his later years. Yes he eventually left but on his own terms and with lots of flowers.
Granted he had been there a lot longer and wasn't as highly-paid as Cignetti. But also I think most of us realize the circumstances are quite different, and keep expectations in check.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think these G5 jobs are at an all time low (or at least in recent, modern history) in desirability because the meta of HC hiring at the top level has shifted. Coaching a G5 school is almost seen as a mark against someone (and definitely is in the case of Florida, their fan base would riot if another G5 coach is hired). The path that Brian Kelly took is much harder know. It seems many P4 programs, especially top ones, value P4 coaching experience over prior HC experience if that HC experience came from the G5.

Agreed. The landscape has shifted. Big time.

I am curious if anyone has a prediction for the Kent State job as opposed to just bending over and spraying explosive ass piss on mine.

 

[Katzenboyer]

If I'm Nebraska, my guy is Matt Campbell. Really good coach, familiar with the recruiting landscape out there, and I think he's a guy who would do very, very well there.

The other wild card is Zac Taylor if he's fired by the Bengals. Nebraska alum. Could see them going that route.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I dunno. You could say the same about Notre Dame, just flip football and basketball. But no one ever really came for Mike Brey when the program backslid in his later years. Yes he eventually left but on his own terms and with lots of flowers.
Granted he had been there a lot longer and wasn't as highly-paid as Cignetti. But also I think most of us realize the circumstances are quite different, and keep expectations in check.

Fair. I don't think Brey had that sort of long term success though in terms of Final Four expectations. Great coach for ND bball, no doubt. Had a couple runs to Elite 8. One of (if not thee) winningest coach at ND. However, I grew up in a family of IU fans and I know how that fanbase reacts to success. Let's see if Cig can maintain it year after year (his recruiting isn't great so far). If it's a flash in the pan these first two years, this is all moot. But if he's a contender with OSU and UM every year forward, it won't shock me if IU fans turn up their expectations on the football field. 6-6 won't cut it if you get used to 10-2 every year with a playoff berth. Just my opinion.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If I'm Nebraska, my guy is Matt Campbell. Really good coach, familiar with the recruiting landscape out there, and I think he's a guy who would do very, very well there.

The other wild card is Zac Taylor if he's fired by the Bengals. Nebraska alum. Could see them going that route.

If there are two guys I want to see make a move "up", it's Campbell and Jason Candle. If for nothing more than my curiosity as a college football fan.

 

[Dale]

- Franklin lands at Virginia Tech, Auburn or a job vacated by a poached head coach.

- Sumrall at Ole Miss, Auburn or Arkansas

- Rhule stays or PSU. Leipold stays or Wisconsin. Lashlee stays or Arkansas. Kiffin stays or Florida.

- Stanford hires an offensive play-caller, possibly NFL.

- Oklahoma State hires Zac Robinson or a G5 HC not named Sumrall/Golesh

- UCLA fucks up their search and hires someone dumb

 

[NotKoon]

My insane hot take, Stanford hires Tommy. He's going to want to get off the sinking ship that is the Browns. He was runner up for North Carolina last year and has significant college experience at a school with academic restrictions

 

[Dale]

My insane hot take, Stanford hires Tommy. He's going to want to get off the sinking ship that is the Browns. He was runner up for North Carolina last year and has significant college experience at a school with academic restrictions

Would make a lot of sense. Don’t think he would take it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Would make a lot of sense. Don’t think he would take it.

Same and same.

 

[stlnd01]

Would make a lot of sense. Don’t think he would take it.

FWIW, Rees is "an offensive playcaller, possibly NFL."

They did just get a $50M donation for the program, and both having grown up around the game, I'd bet Rees and Andrew Luck know each other well. It's a tough job in the NIL/transfer era (and just brutal travel in the ACC) but he could do a lot worse.

 

[zelezo vlk]

- Franklin lands at Virginia Tech, Auburn or a job vacated by a poached head coach.

- Sumrall at Ole Miss, Auburn or Arkansas

- Rhule stays or PSU. Leipold stays or Wisconsin. Lashlee stays or Arkansas. Kiffin stays or Florida.

- Stanford hires an offensive play-caller, possibly NFL.

- Oklahoma State hires Zac Robinson or a G5 HC not named Sumrall/Golesh

- UCLA fucks up their search and hires someone dumb

They've been incredibly cheap for a few years, so we know the reason why at least.

 

[Kingbish01]

I'm Bored:

Penn State: Matt Rhule
Florida: Lane Kiffin/Franklin
Nebraska: Manny Diaz
Ole Miss: Will Stein
Auburn: James Franklin
Arkansas: Jon Sumrall
UCLA: Jonathan Smith
Oklahoma State: Collin Klein/G.J Kinne
Virginia Tech: Alex Golesh
Stanford: Pep Hamilton
Oregon State: Spencer Danielson
Colorado State: Collin Klein/Tony Alford

 

[allenm5333]

John Brice made it sound like Michigan State is going to open too.

 

[Dale]

John Brice made it sound like Michigan State is going to open too.

Would look at Alex Golesh in that case

 

[stlnd01]

John Brice made it sound like Michigan State is going to open too.

James Franklin makes all the sense in the world there.

 

[Huntr]

Could see Shane Beamer to Va Tech

 

[NDisme]

This might be a dumb question, but what would Kiffen be able to accomplish at Florida that he can’t at Ole Miss? It feels lateral to me but I guess easier to recruit the state of FL?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Could see Shane Beamer to Va Tech

Everyone is forgetting about Jimbo Fisher. He wants to coach again & is reportedly making the rounds. He has no offset b/c aTm is proven to be idiotic. So he can sign another lucrative deal while still collecting his Aggies buyout. Before you get emotional…I’m not personally endorsing Jimbo Fisher as a candidate anywhere. I’m just throwing it out there as a legit possibility.

 

[SportsingHard]

Agreed. The landscape has shifted. Big time.

I am curious if anyone has a prediction for the Kent State job as opposed to just bending over and spraying explosive ass piss on mine.

Unemployed (Gameday don't count) Kent State alums include Lou Hotz, Nick Saban, and Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo. Mothersbaugh has coaching experience comparable to Joshua Cribbs but could also offer a new fight song and comes with his own action figure.


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You must whip it
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it
When something's going wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

 

[Katzenboyer]

From everything I'm hearing, Arkansas is going to make James Franklin say no - and they're going to throw Wal-Mart money at him to make that difficult.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Would look at Alex Golesh in that case

If their boosters pick up the slack on NIL, I could see this really working out well for Sparty.

 

[Dale]

From everything I'm hearing, Arkansas is going to make James Franklin say no - and they're going to throw Wal-Mart money at him to make that difficult.

He doesn’t need money.

 

[Katzenboyer]

He doesn’t need money.

But he clearly wants to coach, and anticipates coaching, next year (just listen to him during his Gameday appearance last week).

If that's the case, why not go to the highest bidder?

 

[Dale]

why not go to the highest bidder?

Because it’s a job you just get fired at every 5 years and I don’t think he would want that

 

[SportsingHard]

If their boosters pick up the slack on NIL, I could see this really working out well for Sparty.

As one of like two Spartans here, I feel like an ND fan in a CFB forum where everybody's trying to find ND a conference.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

From everything I'm hearing, Arkansas is going to make James Franklin say no - and they're going to throw Wal-Mart money at him to make that difficult.

Nothing surprises me but seems like an odd fit for both parties. Then again, Tyson money brought in Calipari which I wasn’t expecting.

Sadly, their fanbase has set the bar extremely low & by perusing fans on X, they’re fine w/ Petrino 2.0. I’ve never seen a fanbase celebrate close loses like Hog fans have post Pittman firing.