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Take a look at how Alabama's out of state enrollment exploded during the Saban years. Their tuition increases were above the national average as well. It may not make sense for certain colleges/universities, but to simply dismiss it is not right either.
I’m not dismissing it. Just questioning whether it makes sense for educational institutions to continue to dump increasingly large sums of money into sports programs.

In the case of Alabama that’s a pretty expensive marketing campaign.

The flip side of those enrollment increases in the general student population is the piss poor graduation rates of the players at say Georgia. The group that in theory these sports programs were set up to educate in the first place.
 

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Take a look at how Alabama's out of state enrollment exploded during the Saban years. Their tuition increases were above the national average as well. It may not make sense for certain colleges/universities, but to simply dismiss it is not right either.
II live in Carmel, Indiana—an affluent suburb just north of Indianapolis. It's interesting to see how schools like Alabama and Auburn actively recruit here, not just for athletes, but for students in general. They make it easy for people from this area to consider attending, and while things like football and those viral sorority rush videos certainly help, there’s a clear effort on their part to draw students from this region. In contrast, schools like Penn State or Virginia Tech, for example, don't seem to have the same presence here.
 

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I’m not dismissing it. Just questioning whether it makes sense for educational institutions to continue to dump increasingly large sums of money into sports programs.

In the case of Alabama that’s a pretty expensive marketing campaign.

The flip side of those enrollment increases in the general student population is the piss poor graduation rates of the players at say Georgia. The group that in theory these sports programs were set up to educate in the first place.

I agree with you. Rice is an elite educational institution with a very small enrollment, ala Northwestern, Duke, Vandy, Wake. They don't lack people trying to get in to the place. Maybe for them, the juice isn't worth the squeeze when it comes to major investments in college sports. They probably want to focus on academics and not subsidize a minor league system for the pros. The Ivies already went down that path, they dominated major college sports until the 1950s. Now, the Ivies just play the Colgates and Bucknells of the world, but they get the best students in the country to go to their schools, and they watch their massive endowments grow.
 

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Take a look at how Alabama's out of state enrollment exploded during the Saban years. Their tuition increases were above the national average as well. It may not make sense for certain colleges/universities, but to simply dismiss it is not right either.
I understand what you're getting at and don't disagree, but we're talking apples to pears with Alabama and Rice.

Alabama has had a football tradition prior to Saban. Rice played in the Bluebonnet Bowl in 1961 and didn't play in another bowl game until 2006.

Alabama went bowl-less six times during that span.

Rice's football bar is probably Northwestern and what they've done (on the field) in the last 30 years.
 

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Take a look at how Alabama's out of state enrollment exploded during the Saban years. Their tuition increases were above the national average as well. It may not make sense for certain colleges/universities, but to simply dismiss it is not right either.

Alabama has one of the top 5 out of state tuition programs in the nation, up-to full tuition plus stipend.
that plays a huge role in the enrollment explosion.
 

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I'm in Valparaiso, I know a number of high school students who attend Alabama. They were all bright kids with plenty of options. Alabama stole their hearts
 

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Alabama has one of the top 5 out of state tuition programs in the nation, up-to full tuition plus stipend.
that plays a huge role in the enrollment explosion.
It was widely talked about down here that AL focused on getting kids in from out of state (especially the Midwest) and offering them extremely attractive scholarships.
 

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I understand what you're getting at and don't disagree, but we're talking apples to pears with Alabama and Rice.

Alabama has had a football tradition prior to Saban. Rice played in the Bluebonnet Bowl in 1961 and didn't play in another bowl game until 2006.

Alabama went bowl-less six times during that span.

Rice's football bar is probably Northwestern and what they've done (on the field) in the last 30 years.

It's funny how perceptions change over time. When I was a kid, Rice may have been a fading powerhouse, but they still had some cache in the old SWC, and when ND played Texas in the Cotton Bowl in 1970, some of the pregame "History of the Cotton Bowl" type shows highlighted Rice Institute (as they were called then) and Dicky Moegle beating Alabama in the 54 Cotton Bowl (only a few years before), and the famous play when Tommy Lewis came off the bench and on to the field to tackle Moegle as he was breaking away for a touchdown. Now, Rice is a joke, although I guess they haven't fallen as far as the Ivies and U of Chicago.
 

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I'm in Valparaiso, I know a number of high school students who attend Alabama. They were all bright kids with plenty of options. Alabama stole their hearts
I'm in Huntington, and the package they put together for my son was ultra impressive. We went down for a tour, but he ultimately didn't want to leave his girlfriend. Told him he was a dumbass after seeing what roamed the streets down there
 

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Curious to see when the Cignetti race will begin. I think Rhett Lashlee will also be a big name but, SMU will probably over pay to keep him. I wouldnt be surprised to see a lot of open head coaching positions this off season.

Curious to see who will be the big names being looked at:
Cignetti
Lashlee
Will Stein
Matt Campbell
Pete Kwiatkowski
D'Anton Lynn
Andy Kotelnicky
Glenn Schumann
Ryan Grubbs
If Arkansas decides to part ways w/ Pittman, I’m sure Lashlee would be their first choice. But SMU has the $ to pay him if they’re serious about competing which they’ve shown to be thus far Post-NIL
 

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I'm in Valparaiso, I know a number of high school students who attend Alabama. They were all bright kids with plenty of options. Alabama stole their hearts
We’ve had in kids from lil ole Columbia City and North Manchester go to in the last three years: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Bama, and LSU. None with any family ties down there. Pretty crazy to see the reach from the SEC up across the Mason-Dixon.
 

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IU could possibly be in a position to match any offers that get thrown Cig’s way. There is a TON of untapped money for football in BTown.
 

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We’ve had in kids from lil ole Columbia City and North Manchester go to in the last three years: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Bama, and LSU. None with any family ties down there. Pretty crazy to see the reach from the SEC up across the Mason-Dixon.
I live in Boston and my son goes to a Catholic high school that last year had seniors go to Georgia, Tennessee, Bama and Ole Miss (as well as Notre Dame, BC and Georgetown of course). It's a real thing.
 

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Take a look at how Alabama's out of state enrollment exploded during the Saban years. Their tuition increases were above the national average as well. It may not make sense for certain colleges/universities, but to simply dismiss it is not right either.
When Butler went to the Final Four in back to back years, they saw a significant increase in enrollment. One of the guys on my staff went to Butler because of that.
 

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If Arkansas decides to part ways w/ Pittman, I’m sure Lashlee would be their first choice. But SMU has the $ to pay him if they’re serious about competing which they’ve shown to be thus far Post-NIL
What about Coach Prime?

Coach Prime and Coach Cal on the same campus...
 

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IU could possibly be in a position to match any offers that get thrown Cig’s way. There is a TON of untapped money for football in BTown.
The question is, will they? FB has always been more of an after thought, even when Mallory was fielding decent teams. Most of the coaches hired have been on the cheap and the budget hasn't been that great.
 

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It was widely talked about down here that AL focused on getting kids in from out of state (especially the Midwest) and offering them extremely attractive scholarships.
Alabama has 5 million people living in it. Chicago has just under 3 million. Indianapolis is close to 900k. Just two examples.

Strategy makes sense.
 

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What about Coach Prime?

Coach Prime and Coach Cal on the same campus...
That would be wild but I think Arkansas is a bit too small of a pond for Prime. On a side note, he brought his HS team up from TX during COVID to play Bryant HS & it was a helluva game. Bryant won in a squeaker. Coach Prime came to their locker room to congratulate them after the game. Bryant is still ranked nationally so they’ve had a nice run for almost a decade.

Regarding Arkansas, Lashlee played for Malzahn in HS at Arkansas & then at UofA. I have zero insight but have to think he’d best their first target.
 

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That would be wild but I think Arkansas is a bit too small of a pond for Prime. On a side note, he brought his HS team up from TX during COVID to play Bryant HS & it was a helluva game. Bryant won in a squeaker. Coach Prime came to their locker room to congratulate them after the game. Bryant is still ranked nationally so they’ve had a nice run for almost a decade.

Regarding Arkansas, Lashlee played for Malzahn in HS at Arkansas & then at UofA. I have zero insight but have to think he’d best their first target.
You are probably right.
 

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I live in Boston and my son goes to a Catholic high school that last year had seniors go to Georgia, Tennessee, Bama and Ole Miss (as well as Notre Dame, BC and Georgetown of course). It's a real thing.
Bama and UGA have pretty decent academic reputations in the south (not like Tech, Vandy, or Clemson but they get by). For a while Bama was dropping huge scholarship bags too
 

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Alabama has 5 million people living in it. Chicago has just under 3 million. Indianapolis is close to 900k. Just two examples.

Strategy makes sense.

I'm west of Chicago, there are around 8 million in the Chicago metro area. Six years ago when my youngest daughter was a HS senior, I went to her college night with her and there was an Alabama table. I asked the (quite attractive) recruiter if she got much traction, and she said that if you have certain GPAs and test score combinations, she could get kids in cheaper to Bama than them going to U of ILL. She also said the weather and social life was a big draw. She did not lack for business either, that table was hopping.
 

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I'm west of Chicago, there are around 8 million in the Chicago metro area. Six years ago when my youngest daughter was a HS senior, I went to her college night with her and there was an Alabama table. I asked the (quite attractive) recruiter if she got much traction, and she said that if you have certain GPAs and test score combinations, she could get kids in cheaper to Bama than them going to U of ILL. She also said the weather and social life was a big draw. She did not lack for business either, that table was hopping.
U of I is also one of the tougher places to get admitted to for a public school, regardless of where you live.

Neighbor across the street is a freshman at Kentucky. My niece, who lives in Naperville, is a junior at Tennessee. Seeing a lot of this now around here.
 
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The impression I got was that Bama was looking to poach the kids that COULD get in to Illinois to consider going to Bama instead.
 

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The impression I got was that Bama was looking to poach the kids that COULD get in to Illinois to consider going to Bama instead.
Exactly the way I heard it from some AL friends……offer these better students an attractive package to attend U of AL instead of one of the other universities in the MW. One of my cousin’s kids seriously considered going because the financial incentive was significant.
 

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Sounds insane, but I think i'd rather have the SMU job than Arkansas job in a world where (1) NIL exists, and SMU has tons of cash (2) the SEC is loaded with premier programs and getting even 7 wins is a challenge and (3) SMU is in a good but not great ACC, where getting 9 wins every year is somewhat feasible.
 
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U of I is also one of the tougher places to get admitted to for a public school, regardless of where you live.

Neighbor across the street is a freshman at Kentucky. My niece, who lives in Naperville, is a junior at Tennessee. Seeing a lot of this now around here.
My good friend in high school got denied to u of I engineering school but got accepted Michigan. It was kind of crazy considering he was an in state kid with great transcript and test scores. It's way tougher to get in than I ever knew
 

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U of I is also one of the tougher places to get admitted to for a public school, regardless of where you live.

Neighbor across the street is a freshman at Kentucky. My niece, who lives in Naperville, is a junior at Tennessee. Seeing a lot of this now around here.

Friend’s daughter from Glenview did Alabama engineering over IL due to full ride including housing. AL reps told her they were targeting Midwest girls for STEM. Beautiful dorms too.
 

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Sounds insane, but I think i'd rather have the SMU job than Arkansas job in a world where (1) NIL exists, and SMU has tons of cash (2) the SEC is loaded with premier programs and getting even 7 wins is a challenge and (3) SMU is in a good but not great ACC, where getting 9 wins every year is somewhat feasible.
I think SMU has slowly been doing the right thing for a decade or more to position themselves up in national prestige. I think they have yet to reach the peak of what is possible there.
 
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