Coaching big board 2024

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Dave Clawson should get a call if/when the job opens next.

People may not like it, but he's probably a far more viable candidate than some of the names that get thrown about more often than not.

He's going to coach his 300th game later this season. HC career that has spanned Fordham, Richmond, Bowling Green and Wake Forest. He's 57 years young and could have one more move left in him. This is his 11th season at WF, though, so it feels like both parties are happy with the arrangement.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

People may not like it, but he's probably a far more viable candidate than some of the names that get thrown about more often than not.

He's going to coach his 300th game later this season. HC career that has spanned Fordham, Richmond, Bowling Green and Wake Forest. He's 57 years young and could have one more move left in him. This is his 11th season at WF, though, so it feels like both parties are happy with the arrangement.

He makes progrums he coaches better each year which is a huge plus, but he appears to be comfortable at no name places that are terrible at football and have low expectations. I don't think that translates to success at ND. I wonder if he got a look from ND when BK left ?

 

[Irish4life]

People may not like it, but he's probably a far more viable candidate than some of the names that get thrown about more often than not.

He's going to coach his 300th game later this season. HC career that has spanned Fordham, Richmond, Bowling Green and Wake Forest. He's 57 years young and could have one more move left in him. This is his 11th season at WF, though, so it feels like both parties are happy with the arrangement.

He's a really great coach in an impossible situation at Wake Forest. They've been getting raided since pre-portal craze. The guy knows how to coach offense and develop players. I wouldn't be over the moon excited for that move to be made, but he should absolutely be among the coaches contacted if the job opens up again.

 

[NDFAN2008]

South Carolina has 10 sacks already this season idk if our team gets 10 sacks all year

 

[IrishSpartan]

People may not like it, but he's probably a far more viable candidate than some of the names that get thrown about more often than not.

He's going to coach his 300th game later this season. HC career that has spanned Fordham, Richmond, Bowling Green and Wake Forest. He's 57 years young and could have one more move left in him. This is his 11th season at WF, though, so it feels like both parties are happy with the arrangement.

Notre Dame fan base will not accept a hire like him. If they were to actually go with someone else he would have to eclipse MF in all aspects.

 

[Katzenboyer]

People may not like it, but he's probably a far more viable candidate than some of the names that get thrown about more often than not.

He's going to coach his 300th game later this season. HC career that has spanned Fordham, Richmond, Bowling Green and Wake Forest. He's 57 years young and could have one more move left in him. This is his 11th season at WF, though, so it feels like both parties are happy with the arrangement.

He's also won wherever he's gone. Winning 11 games at Wake Forest is just ridiculous.

I never understood why a school like NC State or Maryland snapped him up. He's a fantastic football coach.

 

[MacIrish75]

Rumor mill! Rumor mill! Rumor mill!

 

[Irish#1]

So no chance Urban goes to New Mexico either

POY worthy.

 

[Huntr]

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Rumor mill! Rumor mill! Rumor mill!

 

[MacIrish75]

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It’s from Chill Sports, my guy. They’re renowned for their legitimacy.

 

[Huntr]

It’s from Chill Sports, my guy. They’re renowned for their legitimacy.

I'm howling

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He makes progrums he coaches better each year which is a huge plus, but he appears to be comfortable at no name places that are terrible at football and have low expectations. I don't think that translates to success at ND. I wonder if he got a look from ND when BK left ?

Confusing statement.

He's a really great coach in an impossible situation at Wake Forest. They've been getting raided since pre-portal craze. The guy knows how to coach offense and develop players. I wouldn't be over the moon excited for that move to be made, but he should absolutely be among the coaches contacted if the job opens up again.

He also hired Elko to Bowling Green and Elko was with him three years at Wake. Clawson found Elko, you could say.

Notre Dame fan base will not accept a hire like him. If they were to actually go with someone else he would have to eclipse MF in all aspects.

Might not have a choice. Clawson has far more HC experience than most of the recent hires ND has made, especially Freeman.

He's also won wherever he's gone. Winning 11 games at Wake Forest is just ridiculous.

I never understood why a school like NC State or Maryland snapped him up. He's a fantastic football coach.

Which should be sexy in and of itself, but that's not how the general population sees things. Clawson got his first HC job at 32 years young. He's got a master's degree. By year four of his first job, he had Fordham a 10 win program in the I-AA quarterfinals after they went 0-11 his first season. He's won a conference/division at every stop he's been. He is a fantastic coach, like Leipold and others we've mentioned, but there isn't enough flash optics for people.

I seriously hope it doesn't come to this for a very very long time.

 

[Irish4life]

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Rumor mill! Rumor mill! Rumor mill!

Well if Chill Sports says it....

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Rumor mill! Rumor mill! Rumor mill!

I don't see it ever happening. Quite frankly, I don't want to see another National Championship that badly if he's going to be the head coach.

There is a reason he chose Florida over his "dream job", and if we're being honest, I still think Ohio State was really his dream job to begin with.

 

[stlnd01]

They’re not firing Freeman after three seasons. Get ahold of ourselves.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Confusing statement.

To clarify, look at his football history, other than a 1 yr stint as OC at Tennessee, the biggest progrum he's been a part of is Wake. That means he has spent 10 of his prime years as HC at a doormat ACC school with low expectations. That doesn't come off as someone who is looking to move into the spotlight. He appears to be a nester, not a climber. There's nothing wrong with that, I respect it, but it still doesn't mean he fits ND.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

They’re not firing Freeman after three seasons. Get ahold of ourselves.

Really? Under any conditions?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

To clarify, look at his football history, other than a 1 yr stint as OC at Tennessee, the biggest progrum he's been a part of is Wake. That means he has spent 10 of his prime years as HC at a doormat ACC school with low expectations. That doesn't come off as someone who is looking to move into the spotlight. He appears to be a nester, not a climber. There's nothing wrong with that, I respect it, but it still doesn't mean he fits ND.

Maybe it comes off as someone who is looking to move when the time is right to the right place?

And a climber is exactly how he got to Wake Forest. He's a Gen Xer who had success at two I-AA programs, was OC at Tennessee for a year, then got a MAC HC job that turned into an ACC gig. It's what natural career trajectory actually looked like. I Don't know why he's been at Wake this long, but he's happy and they're happy. If he's waiting for something else, it obviously hasn't come up yet. Or maybe he isn't.

 

[stlnd01]

Really? Under any conditions?

Not for performance anyway. Barring some personal malfeasance, we’d probably have to go 3-9. Which we won’t.

Saturday sucked and worst of all for Freeman it shows a lack of growth, but we are still far more talented than all but maybe one team on our schedule. Which means we are still likely to go 8-4, 9-3, that range.

This would be disappointing, yes, but does not warrant the PR disaster and full program blow-up that would come from firing Marcus Freeman. So they won’t do it.

 

[Irish4life]

Not for performance anyway. Barring some personal malfeasance, we’d probably have to go 3-9. Which we won’t.

Saturday sucked and worst of all for Freeman it shows a lack of growth, but we are still far more talented than all but maybe one team on our schedule. Which means we are still likely to go 8-4, 9-3, that range.

This would be disappointing, yes, but does not warrant the PR disaster and full program blow-up that would come from firing Marcus Freeman. So they won’t do it.

If they go below 7 that's when you start entering fireable offense territory.

 

[calvegas04]

I mean the way we looked Saturday, 3-9 isn't out of the question

 

[JoeyGetherall]

If they go below 7 that's when you start entering fireable offense territory.

Agreed, any coach that finishes sub 8 wins with this schedule, should be fired. Especially after your third year. ND shouldn't be a prep school for your head coaching career.

 

[GATTACA!]

Which means we are still likely to go 8-4, 9-3, that range.

This would be disappointing, yes, but does not warrant the PR disaster and full program blow-up that would come from firing Marcus Freeman. So they won’t do it.

Disagree

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Not for performance anyway. Barring some personal malfeasance, we’d probably have to go 3-9. Which we won’t.

Saturday sucked and worst of all for Freeman it shows a lack of growth, but we are still far more talented than all but maybe one team on our schedule. Which means we are still likely to go 8-4, 9-3, that range.

This would be disappointing, yes, but does not warrant the PR disaster and full program blow-up that would come from firing Marcus Freeman. So they won’t do it.

Let's say ND goes 7-5 or 6-6 and fires Freeman what would the PR disaster be that you speak?

 

[stlnd01]

Let's say ND goes 7-5 or 6-6 and fires Freeman what would the PR disaster be that you speak?

Firing, that quickly, a young, personable, African-American head coach who you hired knowing he had no experience would trigger a lot of blowback unless the program was such a dumpster fire that it became obvious you had no choice.
7-5 isn’t that.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Firing, that quickly, a young, personable, African-American head coach who you hired knowing he had no experience would trigger a lot of blowback unless the program was such a dumpster fire that it became obvious you had no choice.
7-5 isn’t that.

Well in that case they shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Non of those reason are valid not to fire someone on performance. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. The guys who hired him are gone. No better time to move on.

Every AD and HC at ND gets up in front of a microphone and says National Championships are the expectation. That's either true or it isn't. If it isn't, they could save a lot of fans their weekends, and continue on with their ways of mediocrity with those that are left over.

 

[thekid33]

I don't see any scenario short of a nuclear meltdown that results in MF getting fired after this year.

However, Pete didn't hire him so if this year ends up with 9 or fewer wins followed by another similar season next year I think that he'll lat least consider looking to move on to find the guy to win a natty and cement his own legacy.

IF MF were to go there aren't a lot of names being toss out that excite me. You can't go from one HC who had no prior HC experience to another so that eliminates any coordinators.

I really don't think Urban is walking through that door. Even if he does, I don't know if he's the HR he would have been 10-15 years ago.

The buyout makes Rhule a non-starter.

I could talk myself into Leipold, but how many years does he have left?

Kiffin would at least be interesting, but I am not sure the administration would inclined to do that.

I never got the Matt Campbell love. I get that Iowa St. is a tough gig, but there's nothing there to excite me.

I haven't watched Mizzou enough to have an opinion on Drink.

Maybe Fickell would leave Wisconsin, but I think that us going in that direction requires him to show more at Wisconsin than he did last year.

Lea? Possibly

Golden has HC experience but didn't light the world up at Miami..

I really think we need to hope that MF gets his shit together.

 

[IAIrish]

Speaking of coaches doing well with less in Kansas, Chris Klieman is another guy worth a long look. Knows how to win.

Bonus: he's from the 'loo.

 

[stlnd01]

Well in that case they shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Non of those reason are valid not to fire someone on performance. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. The guys who hired him are gone. No better time to move on.

Every AD and HC at ND gets up in front of a microphone and says National Championships are the expectation. That's either true or it isn't. If it isn't, they could save a lot of fans their weekends, and continue on with their ways of mediocrity with those that are left over.

That may be, but here he is.
And no I don't think three winning records in three years is fireable performance, even if the stated goal is a national championship. If we only win 7 this year, the seat gets very hot. But barring utter disaster, you give Freeman four years. Partly so that the next coach knows he'll get a fair shot to build a program too.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

That may be, but here he is.
And no I don't think three winning records in three years is fireable performance, even if the stated goal is a national championship. If we only win 7 this year, the seat gets very hot. But barring utter disaster, you give Freeman four years. Partly so that the next coach knows he'll get a fair shot to build a program too.

This can only be the case if no one better is interested in the job.

Freeman is a nice guy but I don't think that should get you extra years.

My hope is he wins 9+ games and holds together a top ten recruiting class. Anything less than that should get his seat very hot and 2025 is then playoffs or bust.