Coaches Poll Top 25 (ND #7)

[ickythump1225]

i have a couple questions about SoS in the outcome of the FSU game this week.

#1 when Bama lost last week they fell from 2 to 7--will FSU stay in top 10 with a home loss to ND a top 5 team?

#2 does an ND win put them at 2 or even 1 no matter outcome of any other games?

No way we leapfrog either of the Mississippi teams. However I do think winning at FSU would catapult us above Baylor to #3.

 

[johnnycando]

One of the Mississippi teams will be canabalized by the other soon enough.

Just win.

As in 2012.

 

[phork]

So... SEC team #1 gets blow out win vs SEC team #2. At the time look like good wins. Both teams subsequently lose multiple SEC games and Team #1 & #2 are not as good as advertised. Suddenly sky high rises in the poll don't seem right.

I know I am asking for a lot, but I can only hope that playoff committee will take into account how bad teams ended up being after being labelled as "Contenders". Any wins over S. Carolina or A&M should look feeble, not to mention a mediocre LSU team. MissSts track record indicates, and ESPN touts it, that they played and beat 3 top 10 teams in a row. What really are the facts behind those teams?

 

[ickythump1225]

So... SEC team #1 gets blow out win vs SEC team #2. At the time look like good wins. Both teams subsequently lose multiple SEC games and Team #1 & #2 are not as good as advertised. Suddenly sky high rises in the poll don't seem right.

I know I am asking for a lot, but I can only hope that playoff committee will take into account how bad teams ended up being after being labelled as "Contenders". Any wins over S. Carolina or A&M should look feeble, not to mention a mediocre LSU team. MissSts track record indicates, and ESPN touts it, that they played and beat 3 top 10 teams in a row. What really are the facts behind those teams?

The media doesn't hesitate to announce to the world when one of the teams on our schedule plays below expectations.

 

[Irish Insanity]

i have a couple questions about SoS in the outcome of the FSU game this week.

#1 when Bama lost last week they fell from 2 to 7--will FSU stay in top 10 with a home loss to ND a top 5 team?

#2 does an ND win put them at 2 or even 1 no matter outcome of any other games?

No way we leapfrog either of the Mississippi teams. However I do think winning at FSU would catapult us above Baylor to #3.

Ya, no way we leap frog Miss St. They've beat LSU, A&M, and Auburn the last 3 weeks. LSU is not that good this year, but probably better than anyone we've beaten with the exception of Stanford.

 

[connor_in]

Weren't we all wondering how much Miss St was paying a couple years ago when they signed a bunch of studs out of the blue? Their payment plan is kicking in.

 

[irishfan]

Weren't we all wondering how much Miss St was paying a couple years ago when they signed a bunch of studs out of the blue? Their payment plan is kicking in.

Yep, Will Redmond was a guy we offered who picked MSU.

Mississippi State's Will Redmond got money from booster, report says | NCAA Football | Sporting News

 

[phork]

Remember Ole Miss 37 kids class? That class is now all upperclassmen.

 

[Blaise]

I really believe SEC and Pac champs are locks... 3rd spot will go to Baylor or Oklahoma or TCU depending how that shapes out... the 4th spot will go to FSU/ND winner or a one loss team... Going to be tough to get it with a loss to FSU...

 

[wizards8507]

I really believe SEC and Pac champs are locks...

Locks? There are a number of scenarios where the PAC-12 champion has three losses. No chance whatsoever a three loss team makes the playoff.

 

[Blaise]

Locks? There are a number of scenarios where the PAC-12 champion has three losses. No chance whatsoever a three loss team makes the playoff.

People believe those are the best two conferences... I think a 3 loss Pac or SEC team will make the playoff

 

[wizards8507]

People believe those are the best two conferences.

I agree that the season started that way, but I think the PAC-12 has fallen down a few notches in peoples' eyes. Oregon has glaring issues, Stanford can't score, USC was humiliated by BC, etc etc.

 

[koonja]

People believe those are the best two conferences... I think a 3 loss Pac or SEC team will make the playoff

IMO, there's no way a 3-loss team could or should make the playoffs. When you lose 3, even 2 games, any resume in the country will not end up impressive enough considering yes, you scheduled a tough slate, but lost to the ~ 2 best teams on it. Two losses is possible, but 3, now way IMO.

 

[Blaise]

I agree that the season started that way, but I think the PAC-12 has fallen down a few notches in peoples' eyes. Oregon has glaring issues, Stanford can't score, USC was humiliated by BC, etc etc.

They have 6 teams in the top 25 in the coaches poll right now... I believe that Oregon and Stanford isn't as good as thought, but Utah, Arizona, Arizona St is a lot better... half your conference in top 25 is a huge SOS

 

[NOLAIrish]

Weren't we all wondering how much Miss St was paying a couple years ago when they signed a bunch of studs out of the blue? Their payment plan is kicking in.

You're thinking of Ole Miss. They got Nkemdiche, Laremy Tunsil (top OT), Laquon Treadwell (top WR), Lavon Hooks (top DT) and Tony Conner (top-5 S) in 2013 after doing absolutely nothing on the field.

Mississippi State's rankings have consistently been in the 25-35 range for the past several years. Mullen's just doing a hell of a job coaching them up right now.

 

[Cackalacky]

People believe those are the best two conferences... I think a 3 loss Pac or SEC team will make the playoff

I am honestly stretching my brain to figure out how any 3-loss team makes the playoffs, let alone is ranked in the top 4 after the conference championship games.

 

[Booslum31]

I think it's been said, however I believe that the only way we make the playoffs is if we run the table. We aren't going to be "treated" like an SEC team if we drop one along the way. Win and in.

 

[koonja]

I think it's been said, however I believe that the only way we make the playoffs is if we run the table. We aren't going to be "treated" like an SEC team if we drop one along the way. Win and in.

IMO, depends when/how we lose. If we lose by 10 or less to FSU and win out, I think there's a great chance we're in the playoffs.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I asked myself the same question over the last couple of weeks: Where in the hell did Miss St and Ole Miss come from?! Then I remembered Ole Miss' crazy Cold Hard Cash class a few years ago. Seems about right. Miss St, I'm still not sure. I never batted an eye at the program until this year.

 

[BGIF]

Ole Miss will not have a great recruiting class this year. They've exceeded the SEC Salary Cap.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Something I got sick of after week 1...and it's burning me up with each week: How the media is so hot and cold w/ their predictions on who will be the The Four. There is so much football yet to be played, yet each loss,"They're out. No chance..." is immediately followed by "They're back!" with a win. It's unbelievably annoying.

 

[wizards8507]

IMO, depends when/how we lose. If we lose by 10 or less to FSU and win out, I think there's a great chance we're in the playoffs.

I think Stanford, USC, or Arizona State have to win the PAC for that to happen. Otherwise we don't have a "signature win."

 

[GowerND11]

People believe those are the best two conferences... I think a 3 loss Pac or SEC team will make the playoff

Personally, I'd rather see ECU or Marshall get in at that point.

 

[koonja]

I think Stanford, USC, or Arizona State have to win the PAC for that to happen. Otherwise we don't have a "signature win."

Doesn't matter. We'd have only 1 loss. If others have 2-3, we're in IMO. I'll bet it all.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

People believe those are the best two conferences... I think a 3 loss Pac or SEC team will make the playoff

It is likely that the Big Ten winner will only have one loss (worst case 2).
It is likely that ND will be a 1 loss or better team.
The top Big 12 team is almost guaranteed to have only 1 loss now.
The ACC champ will likely have 1 loss or less.

Not sure how a 3 loss PAC 12 team makes it in ahead of 3 of these (probably 2 since the SEC is almost guaranteed to have 2 teams in the playoff).

If Notre Dame were to only lose to FSU, and thus beat all 3 of the (better) teams in the PAC 12 that they played, there is no way the playoff committee could justify the PAC12 winner being in the playoff ahead of Notre Dame. The playoff system would only last a year if they did this.

 

[NOLAIrish]

I am honestly stretching my brain to figure out how any 3-loss team makes the playoffs, let alone is ranked in the top 4 after the conference championship games.

I'm with you. In the past dozen years, only two teams have finished the pre-bowl season with 3 losses and ranked in the top 10. Florida in 2007 (#9 in the AP, #12 in the Coaches) and Penn State in 2002 (#10 in both polls). Even in those cases, I can't see the playoff committee passing over 5 different teams to take the three-loss team.

 

[RDU Irish]

I asked myself the same question over the last couple of weeks: Where in the hell did Miss St and Ole Miss come from?! Then I remembered Ole Miss' crazy Cold Hard Cash class a few years ago. Seems about right. Miss St, I'm still not sure. I never batted an eye at the program until this year.

It helps that Bama is not anywhere close to as good as they have been the last half dozen years, LSU not all that either. A&M still has no defense. Parity helps a lot.

 

[wizards8507]

Doesn't matter. We'd have only 1 loss. If others have 2-3, we're in IMO. I'll bet it all.

The others won't have 2 or 3.

FSU, undefeated
SEC champion, 1 loss or undefeated (unless the East pulls the upset)
SEC west runner-up, 1 loss (to SEC champion)
Big 12 champion, 1 loss or undefeated
Michigan State (probably), 1 loss

Those are five candidates right there. Who do we get in ahead of without beating FSU? It could be even worse if the SEC East wins the championship game. Then you have THREE SEC candidates, not two (conference champ, plus two one-loss teams from the West).

 

[irish#underground]

People believe those are the best two conferences... I think a 3 loss Pac or SEC team will make the playoff

Not....

 

[BGIF]

Personally, I'd rather see ECU or Marshall get in at that point.

NO!

According to Sagarin:

ECU has played the 97th Toughest Schedule

Marshall has played teh 166th Toughest Schedule