Clemson -10.5

[phork]

Talk about disrespect. I don't pretend to know a whole lot about betting etc. However I find it hard to believe that ND is a 10 point dog in this game.
Now don't get me wrong "Vegas Knows" shit. So what is it?

10.5 seems high to me.

 

[Irish YJ]

Meh.

Product of getting curb stomped too much the last several years.

A few big wins, and that will change. Up to us.... And it's not like there's not some very arguable reasons for the logic.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I think we lose by 7, so 10.5 isn't entirely outside of the realm of possibility

 

[irishtrooper]

A huge factor in betting lines is essentially trying to get equal bets on both sides of the line. This means our several years of coming up short almost has to play into the line. The public perception will not change on a dime. We’re going to need to be consistently tough in these games (like OSU, Bama, Clemson and sometimes GA) before the lines will go to where they “should” be. Once the public starts following the results, provided we continue our current trajectory- we will get a more respectable line.

Before the, “but the public backs ND anyway because ND”, that’s baked in the cake. Which tells you how much recent history needs to be papered over with better performances.

I think we’re better than 10-11 point dogs against anyone right now, but Vegas is in business to make money, not friends

 

[Valpodoc85]

Good locker room motivation

 

[NDPhilly]

Damn. Probably would be a 15 point dog to Bama then.

 

[IrishLax]

What doesn't make sense is that I've followed lines very closely this year, and ND has consistently tracked as like a ~10-11 point dog to Bama and ~7 point dog to Clemson/Ohio State. Then we're mysteriously a 10.5 dog at a neutral site to Clemson?

This is super fishy.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Damn. Probably would be a 15 point dog to Bama then.

I think Bama would beat anyone in the country by 14+.

 

[irishtrooper]

I think Bama would beat anyone in the country by 14+.

They have looked good of late, but Ole Miss hung very tough with them for 3+ quarters. Not saying that they haven’t been impressive, but they haven’t had a tough road. GA was an impressive win (although with Stetson as QB GA wasn’t very good). I’m not impressed by any other opponent. I am impressed by their margins and do think they’re clearly number 1. I just don’t think there’s THAT much room between Bama and Clemson. There isn’t THAT much room between us and Clemson either...... I think Fla will test Bama with their offense. I think Bama wins, but I don’t think they shut Fla down and blow them out......


All that being said, I didn’t think Bama was 28 better than us in 12 either....so what do I know?

 

[Dizzyphil]

Damn. Probably would be a 15 point dog to Bama then.

I do a lot of 'runs'...


Irish today would be 20+ - 25+ dogs to Bama if played today...


Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings...

 

[T Town Tommy]

I do a lot of 'runs'...


Irish today would be 20+ - 25+ dogs to Bama if played today...


Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings...

As a Bama fan, I would take those 25 points and the Irish. I think Bama would win straight up and I don't think Saban would be interested in trying to run up the score on Kelly and the Irish. Especially if it were in the semis. I think it would be a great game and more competitive than some probably think.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I also think the 10.5 is too much against Clemson. Maybe a touchdown but not two scores.

 

[Dizzyphil]

As a Bama fan, I would take those 25 points and the Irish. I think Bama would win straight up and I don't think Saban would be interested in trying to run up the score on Kelly and the Irish. Especially if it were in the semis. I think it would be a great game and more competitive than some probably think.

Irish doesn't have the secondary for the bama receivers.

 

[BilboBaggins]

From the ACC Championship Game Thread:

I don't feel very good about this game. Clemson is going to come in very motivated and play like this is the Superbowl.

The last two games have shown the OL has taken a step back IMO. Patterson was playing at an all-ACC level and losing him at C has shown. The interior running game just hasn't been as consistent.

In 2018, ND's offense couldn't run the ball consistently inside and had WRs who couldn't get separation. A team with athletic CBs capable of playing man coverage and with two stout DTs was going to frustrate ND big time. The last game of the season, USC, heavily suggested it and then Clemson confirmed it.

I'm worried that's going to happen again. The OL is no longer the best in the country, ND will be relying on too many outside runs and Clemson will get more penetration than UNC or Syracuse did. ND cannot "backyard ball" its way to victory against a motivated Clemson team.

I wouldn't be surprised if the line was Clemson -10.5.

Basically I am Las Vegas.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

What doesn't make sense is that I've followed lines very closely this year, and ND has consistently tracked as like a ~10-11 point dog to Bama and ~7 point dog to Clemson/Ohio State. Then we're mysteriously a 10.5 dog at a neutral site to Clemson?

This is super fishy.

Yeah it does seem strange. If it’s a reaction to where the money is being bet (or anticipated money) would mean what....Clemson is the heavy bet and they’re trying to direct some of the cash flow towards ND?

 

[House16]

Irish doesn't have the secondary for the bama receivers.

Yeah just in terms of ratings I think the Irish are about 14 points worse than Bama. But their best unit (WRs) would be going against our worst unit (DBs). I think we give up 50+ tbh... Bama is the one team we can’t hang with. Would love to be wrong...

 

[T Town Tommy]

Yeah just in terms of ratings I think the Irish are about 14 points worse than Bama. But their best unit (WRs) would be going against our worst unit (DBs). I think we give up 50+ tbh... Bama is the one team we can’t hang with. Would love to be wrong...

I wouldn't sell the Irish that short. Keep everything in front of you and then concentrate on slowing the run game down. As bad as Arkansas was they at least made Mac Jones take the under routes most of the day. The Irish are better up front on the DL than Arkansas so running would be a bit tougher IMO.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I wouldn't sell the Irish that short. Keep everything in front of you and then concentrate on slowing the run game down. As bad as Arkansas was they at least made Mac Jones take the under routes most of the day. The Irish are better up front on the DL than Arkansas so running would be a bit tougher IMO.

~ and lost 52 - 3.......


hwhateve

 

[T Town Tommy]

~ and lost 52 - 3.......


hwhateve

They couldn't stop the run, turned the ball over, and got sacked eight times I believe. But their secondary, which isn't better the Irishs' did a good job of keeping everything in front of them. A more talented team in the front seven could make it tougher on Bama. I think the Tide is going to get their fair share on most teams, but if you make them work for it, you always got a shot.

 

[Dizzyphil]

They couldn't stop the run, turned the ball over, and got sacked eight times I believe. But their secondary, which isn't better the Irishs' did a good job of keeping everything in front of them. A more talented team in the front seven could make it tougher on Bama. I think the Tide is going to get their fair share on most teams, but if you make them work for it, you always got a shot.

bama had 227 passing yards, 216 running.... your hole you're digging is getting deeper....


The weakest link is the Irish's pass defense which is bama's best strength - the Irish allow around 215 passing yards per game....

 

[T Town Tommy]

bama had 227 passing yards, 216 running.... your hole you're digging is getting deeper....


The weakest link is the Irish's pass defense which is bama's best strength - the Irish allow around 215 passing yards per game....

I hear ya. Let's see how they do against Lawrence before we throw dirt on them.

 

[irishtrooper]

They weren’t too bad against UNC, who some were comparing (favorably against Clemson and a half step below Bama’s) to an elite unit to go with a very good QB and two outstanding RB’s.

Some people here are so scared. I think Bama would be favored, but it’s silly to think (without an a$$ whooping against Clemson) that we’d be dogs by 20+ pts. No Fin way! Bama would and should be solid favorites, but we would absolutely play them tough. We seem to forget our good performances and only remember our tough times. We have battered wife syndrome.

I’m very impressed and bullish with this team. I feel they can compete with anyone

 

[Crazy Balki]

Yeah, did we not watch the UNC game?

It's pretty obvious that ND is capable of handling a dominant offense, as they did against the Heels. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll do the same to Bama, but they are certainly capable of holding their own against some great skill talent with the right gameplan in place.

Alabama has put up gaudy numbers, but they really haven't played a decent defense since Georgia, and that was with Waddle in the game. Also in that game, Georgia was holding Alabama's offense mostly in check in the first half, but due to the complete lack of a passing game, Georgia couldn't hold them forever and eventually their defense got worn down and they gave up more and more big plays.

ND has the hosses up front on both sides to not let things get away from them.

Ultimately, it'll take a monumental effort to beat Clemson, much less Alabama, but this team has shown it's capable of such an effort on both ends.

 

[phork]

Now we know why so high. Interesting to see if it goes higher or not.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Stuff we all know but just a reminder. All the pressure is on Clemson in this game. ND already beat them and likely in the playoffs regardless. Clemson loses they are out. Their biggest win is over Miami. They actually need a signature win which ND could provide. ND doesn't even need this game. ND should revert to independent a week early.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Stuff we all know but just a reminder. All the pressure is on Clemson in this game. ND already beat them and likely in the playoffs regardless. Clemson loses they are out. Their biggest win is over Miami. They actually need a signature win which ND could provide. ND doesn't even need this game. ND should revert to independent a week early.

This mindset is what worries me the most. Clemson is going to come out with their pants on fire because they have everything to lose. If we get ran off the field, and Bama/OSU win their respective title games, A&M could very easily sneak in the back door at #4 and we are on the outside looking in. The "No TL in SB" narrative will be deafening, even though I don't think it was the end all, be all in that one.

I assume BK and the boys will be fired up, though. You play the game for accomplish feats like this, and an ACC Title is certainly unique and would be incredible to beat Clemson twice.

Ultimately, just keep it close, stay healthy, and live to see another day.

Have to love where the program is to even have the thought that a NY6 would be an utter disappointment.

 

[rtrn2glory]

is the spread still at 10.5???

 

[IrishLax]

This mindset is what worries me the most. Clemson is going to come out with their pants on fire because they have everything to lose. If we get ran off the field, and Bama/OSU win their respective title games, A&M could very easily sneak in the back door at #4 and we are on the outside looking in. The "No TL in SB" narrative will be deafening, even though I don't think it was the end all, be all in that one.

I assume BK and the boys will be fired up, though. You play the game for accomplish feats like this, and an ACC Title is certainly unique and would be incredible to beat Clemson twice.

Ultimately, just keep it close, stay healthy, and live to see another day.

Have to love where the program is to even have the thought that a NY6 would be an utter disappointment.

Literally a zero percent chance of this happening. Notre Dame will not drop behind Texas A&M, period. I arguably don't think a 2-loss Clemson can drop behind Texas A&M but at least that's a discussion worth having. The committee is not going to downgrade two elite teams for playing each other when a non-champ, 1-loss team with one "meh" win to their name and a 4 TD blowout loss to Alabama sits at home on the couch.

 

[irish4ever]

This mindset is what worries me the most. Clemson is going to come out with their pants on fire because they have everything to lose. If we get ran off the field, and Bama/OSU win their respective title games, A&M could very easily sneak in the back door at #4 and we are on the outside looking in. The "No TL in SB" narrative will be deafening, even though I don't think it was the end all, be all in that one.

I assume BK and the boys will be fired up, though. You play the game for accomplish feats like this, and an ACC Title is certainly unique and would be incredible to beat Clemson twice.

Ultimately, just keep it close, stay healthy, and live to see another day.

Have to love where the program is to even have the thought that a NY6 would be an utter disappointment.

Why let Clemson stay close? I say, Irish blow 'em out and run up that damn score!

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I think ND really needs a win on Saturday because losing locks in a semifinal game against Alabama and that's by far the worst matchup for ND.