Clausen Rumor........

[WhoDeyIrish]

He Really wants to go to the nfl especially after the nfl passed on his two brothers.

I think he stays for a couple of reasons.

1. another year under CW to prepare him for the nfl

and

2. McCoy, bradford, tebow, Clark, and possibly locker will all be coming out this year, which leaves a pretty crowded QB class.

if he waits he could be the lone big name at QB next year

Yeah but he will go ahead of McCoy, Clark, Tebow, and maybe even Locker and Bradford. I saw a mock draft the other day I know its freaking only October, but they had him going 1 overall. McCoy blows, and I promise he will slip into the 3rd round around draft time. I wouldn't draft Tebow to play QB. Clark, give me a break. Ponder will be a much better NFL QB than him. Locker Bradford and Clausen would be the big 3. Locker is going to leave I promise you that...Hes not going to stay another year at UDub whats the point. Especially with all the hype around him. Clausen has reasons to stay.

 

[KAPLAN]

Charley will point him in the best direction. If he is a top 10 pick then he will go and we will have another great QB in the NFL. Crist will step up. I am pretty sure the only thing Clausen is thinking about right now is beating Washington State.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

All this hypothetical stuff is not healthy! I hope this doesn't distract the team!

 

[kmoose]

All I have to say on the subject is this........

Clausen is playing absolutely lights out football, this year. He is clicking on all cylinders, and is showing why he was so hyped up, coming out of High School. He makes good decisions, gets the ball out on time, makes accurate throws, plays through pain, and is the unquestionable leader on the field. Crist may, or may not, develop into a similar QB. But, if Jimmy goes, this team is not as good, next year. I don't want to hear about how Crist will step in and replace Clausen, as if there won't be an appreciable drop off.

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

All I have to say on the subject is this........

Clausen is playing absolutely lights out football, this year. He is clicking on all cylinders, and is showing why he was so hyped up, coming out of High School. He makes good decisions, gets the ball out on time, makes accurate throws, plays through pain, and is the unquestionable leader on the field. Crist may, or may not, develop into a similar QB. But, if Jimmy goes, this team is not as good, next year. I don't want to hear about how Crist will step in and replace Clausen, as if there won't be an appreciable drop off.

Agreed... I think we go from a no doubt 10 win team, to maybe 8 wins.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

All I have to say on the subject is this........

Clausen is playing absolutely lights out football, this year. He is clicking on all cylinders, and is showing why he was so hyped up, coming out of High School. He makes good decisions, gets the ball out on time, makes accurate throws, plays through pain, and is the unquestionable leader on the field. Crist may, or may not, develop into a similar QB. But, if Jimmy goes, this team is not as good, next year. I don't want to hear about how Crist will step in and replace Clausen, as if there won't be an appreciable drop off.

Maybe there will, maybe there wont. How could you possibly know this 10 months before next season starts? I understand Jimmy is playing unreal, and I pray he stays, but to sit here almost a full year and say there will be a appreciable drop off is both arrogant and premature.

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

Maybe there will, maybe there wont. How could you possibly know this 10 months before next season starts? I understand Jimmy is playing unreal, and I pray he stays, but to sit here almost a full year and say there will be a appreciable drop off is both arrogant and premature.

This is also true..but how many games do you think Dayne Crist can really win for us. The team as a whole will win some, but sometimes we need the QB to win us a game. Which we have played several close ones and Jimmy has won us quite a few. Thats why I said we would lose 2 more games at least next year.

 

[kmoose]

to sit here almost a full year and say there will be a appreciable drop off is both arrogant and premature.

It's neither premature, nor arrogant.... it's simply a matter of probability. If you look at how Clausen is playing, right now..........the odds are INCREDIBLY stacked, AGAINST a first year starter stepping in and playing at the same level.

But maybe my language was a little strong. Maybe Crist comes in and the team takes on a different character, with a similar high level of performance. But the odds are heavily against it.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

It's neither premature, nor arrogant.... it's simply a matter of probability. If you look at how Clausen is playing, right now..........the odds are INCREDIBLY stacked, AGAINST a first year starter stepping in and playing at the same level.

But maybe my language was a little strong. Maybe Crist comes in and the team takes on a different character, with a similar high level of performance. But the odds are heavily against it.

But, you also have to look at the fact that if Tate comes back, and Floyd is healthy, Allen and Hughes get better, and the defense improves that the overall team will not have a drop off.

Would we have a drop off at the QB position? It would be naive to say definately not, so I will give you that. But overall if other areas can improve and we can be healthy, I dont think the team will suffer a noticeable drop off.

 

[kmoose]

But, you also have to look at the fact that if Tate comes back, and Floyd is healthy, Allen and Hughes get better, and the defense improves that the overall team will not have a drop off.

Would we have a drop off at the QB position? It would be naive to say definately not, so I will give you that. But overall if other areas can improve and we can be healthy, I dont think the team will suffer a noticeable drop off.

I see your point. And I wasn't really saying that we would go from a 10 win team to an 8 win team, as someone else suggested. I was merely saying that the offense is likely to drop off appreciably. Tate and Floyd are having great years, and certainly seem to be bona fide stars. But they also benefit from Clausen's decision making, his accuracy, and his ability to get the ball out on time. Without that, who's to say that they will maintain their current level of production?

 

[WaveDomer]

Not sure why everyone is bringing up his family's money. There is such a thing as striking out on your own and blazing your own path.

 

[devolg]

Not sure why everyone is bringing up his family's money. There is such a thing as striking out on your own and blazing your own path.

It eludes to need rather than want. He doesn't need the money so it becomes less of an appealing factor. Not that it still isn't because he may want that, but it's gonna be considerably less than the kid that grew up poverty striken, whose Mother lives alone in some ghetto somewhere surviving on welfare & needs to start making money as soon as possible.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

I see your point. And I wasn't really saying that we would go from a 10 win team to an 8 win team, as someone else suggested. I was merely saying that the offense is likely to drop off appreciably. Tate and Floyd are having great years, and certainly seem to be bona fide stars. But they also benefit from Clausen's decision making, his accuracy, and his ability to get the ball out on time. Without that, who's to say that they will maintain their current level of production?

I guess I just have that much faith in their own ability. Michael Floyd, especially, could have played at any school in the country. And Golden makes alot of plays on his own.

Like I said it would be naive of me to think there would be no dropoff. But I also dont think it would be the end of the world.

 

[WaveDomer]

It eludes to need rather than want. He doesn't need the money so it becomes less of an appealing factor. Not that it still isn't because he may want that, but it's gonna be considerably less than the kid that grew up poverty striken, whose Mother lives alone in some ghetto somewhere surviving on welfare & needs to start making money as soon as possible.

It just depends on the person, in my opinion. Sometimes money is an even bigger factor for those that have it.

 

[BeatSC]

It's neither premature, nor arrogant.... it's simply a matter of probability. If you look at how Clausen is playing, right now..........the odds are INCREDIBLY stacked, AGAINST a first year starter stepping in and playing at the same level.

But maybe my language was a little strong. Maybe Crist comes in and the team takes on a different character, with a similar high level of performance. But the odds are heavily against it.

I think Crist possesses better physical tools, size, arm strength and agility. IT's whether or not he can be as accurate. I think sometimes JC's vision isn't the bets as he misses seeing the open receiver many times. If Crist is QB next year and he has Tate and Floyd back healthy he should be in good shape. I think Crist can run the Wildcat and pocket pass while making plays with his legs. this will keep the defense off balance. We would need to rely on our run game more which I think we can if we commit to it.

 

[devolg]

Sometimes money is an even bigger factor for those that have it.

very true

 

[RECON Daddy]

It is so hard to predict how things will go if Jimmy leaves. Tennessee won their national championship the year AFTER Peyton left.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'll start caring about this after we win a BCS bowl. Until then, he's still wearing a gold helmet.

 

[JefMaj]

Most guys have Locker, Clausen, Bradford, McCoy, Snead.... in order for QBs. If you are wondering where Teablow is... I'm not the only one who saw the Arkansas and Miss.St. games. In SEC games he has more Ints that TD's and 1/2 Ints were pick six's.

 

[phork]

I think Crist possesses better physical tools, size, arm strength and agility. IT's whether or not he can be as accurate. I think sometimes JC's vision isn't the bets as he misses seeing the open receiver many times. If Crist is QB next year and he has Tate and Floyd back healthy he should be in good shape. I think Crist can run the Wildcat and pocket pass while making plays with his legs. this will keep the defense off balance. We would need to rely on our run game more which I think we can if we commit to it.

The whole idea of the wildcat is really to not have QB back there. So whether Crist is in there or not is irrelevant. We'll leave that to Allen and Goodman and whoever else.

Most guys have Locker, Clausen, Bradford, McCoy, Snead.... in order for QBs. If you are wondering where Teablow is... I'm not the only one who saw the Arkansas and Miss.St. games. In SEC games he has more Ints that TD's and 1/2 Ints were pick six's.

Bradford is going to drop big time. Major surgery, he'll be ready to throw 19 days before the draft, or thereabouts according to an average rehab schedule. Not many teams are going to take a #1 shot at him, with a ton of guaranteed money.

Frankly I think Clausen is a top10 pick next year, especially if he ends this season as well as it appears he will, especially with Floyd back.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Clausen doesn't have to worry about the other QBs in this class. He is the number one QB and the number one player. Only the Bucs or Lions getting the top pick would keep him from going number one.

 

[jason_h537]

Bothe McShit and Kiper have 1)Locker 2) Clausen. Snead has plummeted since his pre season hype

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Locker's stock will drop. I don't see how he is better than Clausen in any way besides mobility. I think that only the Raiders would prefer Locker over Clausen.

 

[jason_h537]

Locker's stock will drop. I don't see how he is better than Clausen in any way besides mobility. I think that only the Raiders would prefer Locker over Clausen.

Because the NFL and combine really buy into potential. Locker has a great arm, size and mobility. Coaches believe they can turn them into players. Not saying that Locker will be a bust, but look at Jamarkus Russel.

 

[irishtrain]

He's got the best agent in the quarterback world working for him and unless he's going to lose 30k he'll be back. I really think he wants to do something special here-he reminds me of Theisman in that regard. My bet is he returns.

 

[irishandy]

In all honesty...I don't think he is NFL ready yet as much as other people think. This is his first good year at ND and if you look at all the other QB's- Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy they've had more than 1 good year. Jimmy's biggest downfall is that he locks on one receiver. First off this is football- I don't recall may football players leaving early; if this were basketball I'd say go and he should earn his ND degree.

 

[phork]

Errr here is a list of 50 players from last year:

Early Entrant List for 2009 NFL Draft | College Underclassmen Going Pro Early

Kids leave early all the time, especially when they get some clown to chirp in his ear. Frankly I am all for staying in school, but heh millions are millions.

 

[olivertrojan]

Clausen and Tate are gone. Sorry, folks--it's not like Leinart sticking around--he knew they'd have a shot at the title (his 3rd in a row) and he knew he wouldn't get sacked if he came back. He probably also knew that the chance of being immortalized as the most successful QB in college history (he finished 37-2, with one loss coming when his D couldn't tackle Vince Young) was too good to pass up. And, he probably wasn't all that excited in the NFL-his heart wasn't (and isn't, apparently) in it

Take one look at Clausen, ripping his chin-strap off with disgust 20 times a game--he believes he's too good for ND and college football itself. If Weis gets fired like you all breathlessly demand, he'll have no reason to stay. He's not going to better his draft position by sticking around. The talent pool of NCAA QBs is startlingly thin which is why he's even been mentioned as a Heisman favorite. Brady Quinn was a far better college QB than Clausen and he certainly had a better attitude. As a Trojan, even I respected his game. He took some brutal physical beatings from Lawrence Jackson & Co. but he still stood in there and threw some great balls. And he didn't trudge around with a sour look on his face all the time and act like his teammates were idiots. In time he will prove to be a far better pro than Clausen.

Tate is a serious prospect and based on his showboating and taunting in the SC game, he is already mentally in the NFL. There's just no way he and Jimmy sit down and say "let's come back and try to win it all." They know that #5 isn't enough to make that crappy "D" sufficiently adept to win more than 10 games next year.

Sorry, folks, as college football fans we'd all love to see these guys stay all four years, but the money's too good and the risk is too high. Sanchez, despite some of his heroics this year, as Carroll said probably shouldhave come back, given he'd only had 13 starts, but then again, given the fact last year's draft was thin and he went 5th, had he come back this year and won it all I'm not sure he would have gone any higher. Financially, he made the right call. But he'll always wonder if he could've hoisted that crystal football!

 

[GoIrish41]

Clausen and Tate are gone. Sorry, folks--it's not like Leinart sticking around--he knew they'd have a shot at the title (his 3rd in a row) and he knew he wouldn't get sacked if he came back. He probably also knew that the chance of being immortalized as the most successful QB in college history (he finished 37-2, with one loss coming when his D couldn't tackle Vince Young) was too good to pass up. And, he probably wasn't all that excited in the NFL-his heart wasn't (and isn't, apparently) in it

Take one look at Clausen, ripping his chin-strap off with disgust 20 times a game--he believes he's too good for ND and college football itself. If Weis gets fired like you all breathlessly demand, he'll have no reason to stay. He's not going to better his draft position by sticking around. The talent pool of NCAA QBs is startlingly thin which is why he's even been mentioned as a Heisman favorite. Brady Quinn was a far better college QB than Clausen and he certainly had a better attitude. As a Trojan, even I respected his game. He took some brutal physical beatings from Lawrence Jackson & Co. but he still stood in there and threw some great balls. And he didn't trudge around with a sour look on his face all the time and act like his teammates were idiots. In time he will prove to be a far better pro than Clausen.

Tate is a serious prospect and based on his showboating and taunting in the SC game, he is already mentally in the NFL. There's just no way he and Jimmy sit down and say "let's come back and try to win it all." They know that #5 isn't enough to make that crappy "D" sufficiently adept to win more than 10 games next year.

Sorry, folks, as college football fans we'd all love to see these guys stay all four years, but the money's too good and the risk is too high. Sanchez, despite some of his heroics this year, as Carroll said probably shouldhave come back, given he'd only had 13 starts, but then again, given the fact last year's draft was thin and he went 5th, had he come back this year and won it all I'm not sure he would have gone any higher. Financially, he made the right call. But he'll always wonder if he could've hoisted that crystal football!

I'm pretty sure you are wrong about everything you said. fusc.

 

[Steve]

HAHA I'm really considering stickying that post at the top of the forums so everyone can see it.