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They won't have an 'explosive offsense' for years to come, and that is assuming they retain McG and get Pryor - both are extremely tenuous right now. Oh and also assuming they both pan out at the collegiate level (I think Pryor probably will and V-Ice most likely will not). Plus you are going to need a new set of lineman, receivers, etc.

Possibly a good hire for scUM, I'd say it's 50/50 on whether he will pan out. Will English and Debord stay, and if so do they gel with him? He has a nasty reputation for chewing people out, and that's very different from Carr. Plus his claim to fame is that offense that will take time to establish, and has looked so good against some pretty weak competition (at least the defenses). Time will tell, but I like our chances next year.
 

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I feel bad for the players. They had a lot to prove in the Fiesta Bowl and now this has probably sucked the wind right out of them.

These coaches can come and go at will but the players don't have the same options without sitting out, coaches decide who they will release them to etc.
 

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I feel bad for the players. They had a lot to prove in the Fiesta Bowl and now this has probably sucked the wind right out of them.

Time to move Oklahoma up in my Bowl Pick 'Em
 

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I read the whole article on my dad's blackberry on the way home from a basketball game today and i read the story and some of the players comments were just sad. I wish them the best because there really is no loyalty in CFB.


NO DAMN LOYALTY
 

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Who is left to coach at WVU? Too bad Georgia Tech got the Navy coach first. My son thinks Terry Bowden.


This football season has been ugly for my two favorite teams. good thing Indiana is winning in b-ball.
 

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Well actually the only D1A team that we know App. State is better than is Michigan. Nice to see that the hire brings out the trolls.
 

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Well actually the only D1A team that we know App. State is better than is Michigan. Nice to see that the hire brings out the trolls.
Uh... App. State is NOT better than scUM, Stanford is NOT better than USC and Pitt is NOT better than West Virginia. Every team was caught with their panties down, hence the result.
 

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Ok, I was thinking about this, and I wanted to know what the consensus on Rich seems to be. What are the odds that Rodriguez comes to Michigan and starts poaching for ND verbals that were high on Michigan but decided to go ND instead (like Omar and the few others). I know Weis and Rodriguez worked together earlier in the year to get some ideas, but does that matter? Is Rich a good guy? Or is he scum enough to actually try and steal some ND verbals?
 

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I don't see what you are complaining about ant.... You guys have established that you are better than scUM and you did it on the field. Until I see the Wolverines beat App. State on a football field, I will remain unconvinced that they are the better team.

Stupid crap like this is what keeps college ball from having a playoff...grumble, grumble


In more related news - ant, what do you think of the hire? Another person for the vest to beat on or someone dangerous?
 

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Ok, I was thinking about this, and I wanted to know what the consensus on Rich seems to be. What are the odds that Rodriguez comes to Michigan and starts poaching for ND verbals that were high on Michigan but decided to go ND instead (like Omar and the few others). I know Weis and Rodriguez worked together earlier in the year to get some ideas, but does that matter? Is Rich a good guy? Or is he scum enough to actually try and steal some ND verbals?

First of all anyone would be willing to go after any recruits that are open and looking. We do it, and we are one of the cleaner programs. I wouldn't put it past him to try but I doubt he would be able to. Our guys have the sort of family mentality thing going, and have turned down salesmen that are far more convincing like Zooker, Carroll, Tressel, and Urbie. I highly doubt Rodriguez will be able to aspire to their lofty shady-ness. Most of the recruits that both schools coveted had us higher early - ie, scUM was never in it to win it. For Rodriguez to be able to build a relationship and woo one of our guys at this point would completely shock me.
 

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I don't see what you are complaining about ant.... You guys have established that you are better than scUM and you did it on the field. Until I see the Wolverines beat App. State on a football field, I will remain unconvinced that they are the better team.

Stupid crap like this is what keeps college ball from having a playoff...grumble, grumble


In more related news - ant, what do you think of the hire? Another person for the vest to beat on or someone dangerous?
Have to disagree with you on the first part. One horrible day in the field doesn't elevate a program of App State's stature over a program of scUM's stature. But we'll just agree to disagree.

Everybody over in the Buckeye board are talking about how they are not worried. All the talk is about how his offense can't work in the Big10. I call BS. Florida and Illinois (to a much much MUCH lesser extent) proved it can.

Over on the scUM boards, everyone is talking about how we've had problems with the spread. Examples are Florida, Penn State (2005) and Texas (2005) in addition to Illinois this year. I call BS. Florida, I can agree with. We showed up fat and unprepared. Penn state's game winning drive in 2005 came from the OSU 4 yard line due to a TS interception. We might've tied it up had TS not fumbled the ball on our last possession. We also put more pressure on VY, the best mobile QB to step out of college football in a while, and limited them to 23 points in the game (2 points safety not included), which was the lowest points total that year for Texas. Illinois this year, we just didn't wrap up tackles, execute well on offense (3 ints for Boeckman). I won't even bring up the bad officiating. :swami: We can defend the spread.

RR's never had the luxury of being able to recruit anyone he wanted. Now he can at scUM. They've got facilities that rivals anyone's in the nation. He's got a good D. The offense works, at any level. He may be able to work wonders at a school like scUM. However his demeanor during the end stages of this year's Pitt game (did u see how he was acting) was ridiculous. He looked more clueless than Cooper in THE GAME.

One thing's for sure, its one great hire for scUM, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. OSU has the momentum in the series now. The next three years are going to pivotal in establishing true dominance this millennium. If you look at Hot Rod's record, he's coached some really bad games during key periods. The optimist in me thinks that Tressel can pull it off. The pessimist in me is pretty scared. I am, after all, suffering from CICP (Cooper Induced Child Paranoia).
 

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Have to disagree with you on the first part. One horrible day in the field doesn't elevate a program of App State's stature over a program of scUM's stature. But we'll just agree to disagree.

Everybody over in the Buckeye board are talking about how they are not worried. All the talk is about how his offense can't work in the Big10. I call BS. Florida and Illinois (to a much much MUCH lesser extent) proved it can.

Over on the scUM boards, everyone is talking about how we've had problems with the spread. Examples are Florida, Penn State (2005) and Texas (2005) in addition to Illinois this year. I call BS. Florida, I can agree with. We showed up fat and unprepared. Penn state's game winning drive in 2005 came from the OSU 4 yard line due to a TS interception. We might've tied it up had TS not fumbled the ball on our last possession. We also put more pressure on VY, the best mobile QB to step out of college football in a while, and limited them to 23 points in the game (2 points safety not included), which was the lowest points total that year for Texas. Illinois this year, we just didn't wrap up tackles, execute well on offense (3 ints for Boeckman). I won't even bring up the bad officiating. :swami: We can defend the spread.

RR's never had the luxury of being able to recruit anyone he wanted. Now he can at scUM. They've got facilities that rivals anyone's in the nation. He's got a good D. The offense works, at any level. He may be able to work wonders at a school like scUM. However his demeanor during the end stages of this year's Pitt game (did u see how he was acting) was ridiculous. He looked more clueless than Cooper in THE GAME.

One thing's for sure, its one great hire for scUM, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. OSU has the momentum in the series now. The next three years are going to pivotal in establishing true dominance this millennium. If you look at Hot Rod's record, he's coached some really bad games during key periods. The optimist in me thinks that Tressel can pull it off. The pessimist in me is pretty scared. I am, after all, suffering from CICP (Cooper Induced Child Paranoia).

It was an interesting choice. Michigan needs to break out of a predictable offensive mindset and RR will certainly do that. His negatives are a suspect defense and an inability to win the big game, but that's with the level of recruits he had at WV and he certainly will be dealing with more talent at UM. Barring some unknown from a small school I think he was the best choice available for them. Miles showed poor time management and play selection at the end of the game but would bring a go-for-it attitude and better recruiting in the South, Schiano would be insane to jump from a school where a 3-4 loss season is a success to one where a 2 loss season is a disaster.

I agree with you about the spread offense in the B10. With skilled players it will be successful. Mallett has run the spread offense before so I suspect he will stay, and Pryor is showing interest now. In the end, RR will be judged on his ability to beat ND, MSU, and OSU. If he can't do that his tenure will be short. Maybe Miles will be ready at that point.
 

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Ok, now that RR has left WVU for UM who are the leading canidats for the job. One may, but most likely wont suprise you.

Reportedly Alabama HC Nick Saban has interest in the job. According to this site his agent contacted WVU President about the position.

Nick Saban’s Agent Contacts WVU « West BY GOD Virginia

Sources close to University President Mike Garrison have informed WBGV that Nick Saban’s agent has contacted WVU regarding our vacant head-coaching position.

These sources tell us that Saban is extremely unhappy in Tuscaloosa and has failed to recapture the situation he had in Baton Rouge with LSU. The purpose of the agent’s call was to express initial interest in the position and to have WVU athletics put together a compensation package enough to lure Saban from Alabama. This package would not need to be as much as Saban is currently making at Alabama, but enough to not result in a 50% paycut. So, we’re obviously talking more than the $1.9 million former coach Rich Rodriguez was making.

Again, this is all very preliminary, but solid sources have confirmed that Nick Saban’s agent has contacted West Virginia University.

*** UPDATE #1 *** This report has been confirmed by the staff at WVSports.com. Unfortunately, it is posted on their premium board so that confirmation can not be reprinted here. Still, it has been confirmed.

*** UPDATE #2 *** Well, it’s not a stone-cold confirmation, but our friend Mike Casazza can’t verify that the story isn’t true. Pardon the double negative, but it looks like this baby certainly has legs.

Stay tuned.

Other leading canidates are W.Virginia native and former Auburn HC Terry Bowden, Florida associate head coach Doc Holliday, Tulsa's Todd Graham, East Carolina coach Skip Holtz, Wake Forest’s Jim Grobe (a Huntington native, but one who turned down Arkansas), Central Michigan’s Butch Jones (a one-time WVU assistant), Auburn defensive coordinator Will Muschamp and Florida offensive coordinator Dan Mullen.
 

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The Alabama fans are all laughing at how ridiculous this is, they are pretty certain about him staying. If he did even interview we would have to bring in Puerto Rico as a state to keep it at 50. Alabama would have imploded.

I hope the find a good coach. Pat White is one of my favorite football players. He lived on my son's floor freshman year and is a great kid.
 
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The Alabama fans are all laughing at how ridiculous this is, they are pretty certain about him staying. If he did even interview we would have to bring in Puerto Rico as a state to keep it at 50. Alabama would have imploded.

I hope the find a good coach. Pat White is one of my favorite football players. He lived on my son's floor freshman year and is a great kid.

I agree. I could be wrong but I bet it's a hoax. Saban has one of the top recruiting classes in the nation on the line. The ULM loss was embarrassing but no way the fans throw him under the bus after one year knowing what he can do.
 

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I agree. I could be wrong but I bet it's a hoax. Saban has one of the top recruiting classes in the nation on the line. The ULM loss was embarrassing but no way the fans throw him under the bus after one year knowing what he can do.

I put Saban in the same class as Charlie. Good coaches who had a down year looking for the big payback next year.
 

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I agree. Saban bringing Bama back to the spotlight would be a coaches dream and he has already started with that recruiting class.

I still can't believe Rodriguez. I follow WVU pretty close and the stuff he said about "coming home to stay" has to just be killing those fans and players. Dumping them after that Pitt loss, no NC game? Talk about reeling...

Someone from WVU sent my son a song somebody put together that is going around campus. Its a revised for Rod "You Oughta Know" by Alanis Morrisette. and that is one pissed off song
 

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Ok, I was thinking about this, and I wanted to know what the consensus on Rich seems to be. What are the odds that Rodriguez comes to Michigan and starts poaching for ND verbals that were high on Michigan but decided to go ND instead (like Omar and the few others). I know Weis and Rodriguez worked together earlier in the year to get some ideas, but does that matter? Is Rich a good guy? Or is he scum enough to actually try and steal some ND verbals?

Check out my state of residence, and hear me clear. scUM is the PERFECT moniker. The school, and its Administration and alumni, are a MONUMENT to self-satisfied, hypocritical, bullshit. Any time UM can cut a corner, they do. Any time they think they can slander their way to steal a commit, they will. And, any time one of their OWN do what they just got Rodriguez to do (recall FRIEDER leaving for ASU, and Bulllshit Bo did to HIM) , they will squeal like stuck pigs.

University of Michigan? Bullshit U!
 

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Check out my state of residence, and hear me clear. scUM is the PERFECT moniker. The school, and its Administration and alumni, are a MONUMENT to self-satisfied, hypocritical, bullshit. Any time UM can cut a corner, they do. Any time they think they can slander their way to steal a commit, they will. And, any time one of their OWN do what they just got Rodriguez to do (recall FRIEDER leaving for ASU, and Bulllshit Bo did to HIM) , they will squeal like stuck pigs.

University of Michigan? Bullshit U!

Good call. Reps my friend.
 

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Thanky kindly! Remember, they managed not to notice the dough Cris Webber was pulling down in HS, and, given that STRANGE TO he called, in college, too?

Word. Where in Michigan are you from? I live in Grand Rapids.
 
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I think Rich Rodriguez might come to the realization that he made a mistake. Why? I look at it this way:

1. He was at his alma mater and was poised to be a legend. He had already taken the program to new heights. He was no longer in Nehlen's shadow. WVU was king of the conference and he had the pipeline of talent built up to stay on top. He also didn't have many tough games to win each year.

2. He is walking into a program that seemed unhappy with a coach who won 75% of his games, won the schools only NC in decades, and who finished first or tied for first in the Big 10 5 times in 12 years. He will live in Bo's shadow at Michigan. And he has a monster of a team and coach to beat every year in Tressel/OSU. On top of all of that, the schedule will be much harder at Michigan.

He just might be in for a rude awakening.
 

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Huskies fire Baer, Simmons
2007 defense ranked 102nd in nation
By MOLLY YANITY
P-I REPORTER


Washington Huskies defensive coordinator Kent Baer and tight ends/special teams coach Bob Simmons were fired Monday morning after a meeting with coach Tyrone Willingham.

There was no immediate word on the status of the other defensive assistants, but it is believed they will be retained. When asked if he still had his job, linebackers coach Chris Tormey said he had no comment.

Baer, 56, spent 13 seasons working under Willingham, including the past three at Washington.

"I consider Kent Baer and Bob Simmons excellent coaches and consummate professionals," Willingham said in a statement released Monday afternoon.

"Making changes such as this is never easy, nor is it done without careful thought and consideration. I believe we are continuing to build this football program into a national contender and I truly appreciate the contribution Kent and Bob have made toward our progress both on and off the field."

The Huskies' defensive woes were easy to single out both statistically and in the win-loss column.

Baer's defense gave up an average of 446.4 yards per game -- more than any team in Huskies history. That number shattered the previous high of 419.1 set in Willingham and Baer's first season at Washington.

Opponents averaged 31.6 points per game this season.

To further agitate, the Huskies led or were tied at halftime in nine of their 13 games but allowed eight teams to rack up more than 400 yards of offense to steal games back.

Fourth-quarter defensive collapses contributed greatly in losses to Arizona, Washington State and Hawaii.

Simmons, 59, coordinated the special teams and coached tight ends. He had coached linebackers at Notre Dame under Willingham and was previously the head coach at Oklahoma State from 1995-2000.

The Huskies special teams unit was inconsistent and several blatant gaffes had negative repercussions on games. Kickoff coverage ranked ninth in the Pac-10.

Three tight ends underachieved this season, combining for only 20 catches. There has not been one consistent starter among that group in three seasons.

Not coincidentally, two of the Huskies' highest-rated recruits in the past two classes have been tight ends -- Chris Izbicki, who sat out this season as a redshirt, and Lakes High senior Kavario Middleton. Middleton is the state's highest-ranked recruit and orally committed on Nov. 30. He is scheduled to sign a national letter of intent Feb. 6.

Willingham himself was under fire after a 4-9 season, but received a boost of confidence from university President Mark Emmert and athletic director Todd Turner on Dec. 5.

Turner, however, resigned Dec. 11. The team was 11-25 in Willingham's three seasons, and the university is preparing for a massive stadium renovation that could cost upward of $400 million.

Tormey, who has served at the UW for 13 seasons, is the Huskies' recruiting coordinator and it had been thought that any staff changes would wait until the end of the recruiting contact period. It ended on Dec. 16 after the Huskies secured 23 oral commitments for a class that Scout.com ranks 16th in the nation.

Randy Hart (defensive line) and J.D. Williams (secondary) are the other defensive assistants. Hart has been at Washington for 20 seasons and served as defensive coordinator from 1995-98. Williams, the older brother of former Huskies safety Curtis Williams, was hired away from California before the '06 season.

Williams and Tormey were both on campus Monday.

Willingham has two years remaining on a five-year contract, but Emmert put the writing on the wall -- if the Huskies don't win in 2008, Willingham likely will be gone. That could make a coaching search difficult, but a subject on which Willingham would not speculate.

The Huskies are also in the process of filling the running backs coach position after Trent Miles left to become the head coach at his alma mater, Indiana State.

Willingham and his remaining staff will head to Anaheim, Calif., Jan. 5-9 for the American Football Coaches Association's annual convention, which also serves as somewhat of a job fair.

The recruiting season's contact period resumes Jan. 13 and runs through Feb. 2.


DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR WISH LIST
This position is not going to be easy to fill despite the university's attributes and the program's tradition. With coach Tyrone Willingham all but told to win in '08 or lose his job, the possibility of this being a one-year job is out there. But listed below are some likely candidates or, at the very least, interesting names.


JIM L. MORA
Secondary coach, Seahawks (May 2007-present)

The likelihood that the former Huskies defensive back would accept the position is slim since the BCS programs are reportedly courting him for head coaching jobs. What is even slimmer is the idea of Willingham hiring a coach-in-waiting. Mora compiled a 22-26 record in three seasons as head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.


ED ORGERON

Head coach, Mississippi (2004-07)

Orgeron's coaching résumé is impeccable and includes four national championships with USC and Miami. His stint as head coach at Ole Miss was a fiasco, though, with a three-year record of 10-25 and two near-violations. Orgeron was also embroiled in a '91 domestic violence issue and a '92 bar fight.


CHRIS TORMEY
Linebackers coach/recruiting coordinator, Washington (2004-07, '84-94)

If Tormey isn't fired along with Baer, he could be considered a candidate because of his recruiting prowess -- especially with this year's top-20 class. Tormey's linebackers, however, have not played particularly well over the past few seasons and the Huskies have been schooled when playing the spread offense.


MARK BANKER
Defensive coordinator, Oregon State (2003-present)

Having spent 11 years with the easygoing Mike Riley, it is hard to see Banker making a move up north. Still, his defenses have been stout. The Beavers ranked 12th in the nation in total defense this season, giving up 313 yards per game. All 11 starters earned some kind of All-Pac-10 honor (first, second team or honorable mention.)


GARY ANDERSEN
Defensive coordinator, Utah (2004-present)

After 10 sporadic years at his alma mater, it is again unlikely Andersen would leave, but a Pac-10 job might entice the 43-year-old. He also serves as the assistant head coach and defensive line coach. The Utes allowed just 15.6 points per game this season and have led the Mountain West in turnovers gained two years in a row.


BOB DAVIE
Head coach, Notre Dame (1997-2001)

Davie has been out of coaching for six years and served as a broadcaster on ESPN and ABC. He is a 3-4 specialist and that is a scheme that could serve the Huskies well since they are light on defensive linemen. If Davie is looking to get back into coaching, this could be an attractive job.
 

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Ok, I was thinking about this, and I wanted to know what the consensus on Rich seems to be. What are the odds that Rodriguez comes to Michigan and starts poaching for ND verbals that were high on Michigan but decided to go ND instead (like Omar and the few others). I know Weis and Rodriguez worked together earlier in the year to get some ideas, but does that matter? Is Rich a good guy? Or is he scum enough to actually try and steal some ND verbals?

Isn't Omar leaning toward Florida now?
 
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