Chicago Bears address

[FU BK]

My favorite fact after reading a couple of articles is this one from ESPN : "Seattle's offense ranked 17th in points per game (21.4) and 21st in yards per game (322.9) in 2023. The Bears were 18th (21.2) and 20th (323.2) in those categories, respectively."

Hey....improving .2 ppg and .3 ypg at a time

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm struggling to see the downside of a coach who made Geno Smith look like a legit starting caliber NFL QB and made Drew Lock serviceable

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I'm struggling to see the downside of a coach who made Geno Smith look like a legit starting caliber NFL QB and made Drew Lock serviceable

Have people already forgotten that Geno was pretty much garbage until the past couple of seasons in Seattle? He was a journeyman. I agree, I think Waldron did an admirable job given the QB situation he came into.

I think the NFC North is going to be very, very competitive next year. We'll see how Detroit handles the first-place schedule and having the target on their backs for once, Bears and Packers are young and ascending, and the Vikings were poised for another tight division race with Detroit until Kirk got hurt.

 

[sfk324]

Hey....improving .2 ppg and .3 ypg at a time

It's actually .3 yards per game less. But those .2 points per over 17 games will be the difference. Mediocre performance is what the Bears appear to aim for, though.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Have people already forgotten that Geno was pretty much garbage until the past couple of seasons in Seattle? He was a journeyman. I agree, I think Waldron did an admirable job given the QB situation he came into.

I think the NFC North is going to be very, very competitive next year. We'll see how Detroit handles the first-place schedule and having the target on their backs for once, Bears and Packers are young and ascending, and the Vikings were poised for another tight division race with Detroit until Kirk got hurt.

I think the Vikings would have ran away with the division if Kirk had stayed healthy, dude was playing as well as any QB when he went down. Plus that Vikings defense with Brian Flores was legit. It's the NFL, guys fall off all the time but you're right in saying that the division should be pretty dang competitive next year.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm struggling to see the downside of a coach who made Geno Smith look like a legit starting caliber NFL QB and made Drew Lock serviceable

Reminder.

They hired someone with play calling experience. Just take the little wins where we can.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I think the Vikings would have ran away with the division if Kirk had stayed healthy, dude was playing as well as any QB when he went down. Plus that Vikings defense with Brian Flores was legit. It's the NFL, guys fall off all the time but you're right in saying that the division should be pretty dang competitive next year.

No to mention they were down Jefferson for an extended period, too. Two of the best at their positions got hurt and they were still in it until week 18.

I have no love for the Vikings, but they are always a tough out.

 

[Southside Sully]

Nice to see them hire someone who actually has been an OC before, and has done some decent developing of players

 

[sfk324]

Reminder.

They hired someone with play calling experience. Just take the little wins where we can.

I like the cherry picking on Lazor and Helfrich so he can ignore the 7+ years of OC experience they both had, as well as Tice who had been a HC in Minnesota.

 

[NDFAN420]

Shane Waldron’s arrival to the #Bears likely means a complete overhaul of their WR corps is set to commence this offseason. Shane loved using 11 personnel while having three different studs at WR. Currently CHI has DJ Moore, and that’s it. Expect premium resources spent.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I like the cherry picking on Lazor and Helfrich so he can ignore the 7+ years of OC experience they both had, as well as Tice who had been a HC in Minnesota.

Lazor had NFL OC experience but was an analyst at Penn State in 2019 when the Bears hired him for the 2020 season.

Helfrich didn't coach in 2017 when the Bears hired him in 2018, had zero years experience as an NFL OC.

Mike Tice had never been an OC prior to the Bears hiring him.

12 years, 7 names of buying low. Very low. Shane Waldron has won two Super Bowls as an NFL coach. Again, for the beggars who have not been able to choose since 1982 when George Halas kept Buddy Ryan, this is as close to a win hire as the franchise has had for as long as fans can remember.

 

[NDFAN420]

This Is What the Bears Are Getting With Shane Waldron

 

[sfk324]

Lazor had NFL OC experience but was an analyst at Penn State in 2019 when the Bears hired him for the 2020 season.

Helfrich didn't coach in 2017 when the Bears hired him in 2018, had zero years experience as an NFL OC.

Mike Tice had never been an OC prior to the Bears hiring him.

12 years, 7 names of buying low. Very low. Shane Waldron has won two Super Bowls as an NFL coach. Again, for the beggars who have not been able to choose since 1982 when George Halas kept Buddy Ryan, this is as close to a win hire as the franchise has had for as long as fans can remember.

I'm aware of.their histories. None of that changes that reducing Tice to merely and O-line coach or Helfrich or Lazor to unemployed with no mention of their experience (both with more OC experience than Waldron has, mind you) was done deliberately by Lambert to make this hire seem like it's different and not just more of the same.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm aware of.their histories. None of that changes that reducing Tice to merely and O-line coach or Helfrich or Lazor to unemployed with no mention of their experience (both with more OC experience than Waldron has, mind you) was done deliberately by Lambert to make this hire seem like it's different and not just more of the same.

Mike Tice: 0
Mark Helfrich: 0 (He was a non play caller anyway. Nagy called the plays)
Bill Lazor: 4

Combined years of NFL offensive coordinator experience among those three. They were all shit, too, in case anyone forgot, so fond memories: 0

Waldron: 3. He had a job this past season.

Waldron comes from the McVay and Carroll trees. Two NFC franchises who have enjoyed, like so many others, far more recent success than the Chicago Bears. It matters. This might end up being a dog meat hire like the rest of them have been, but on paper, it's the best one they've made in a long time.

Just let some of us have it.

 

[FU BK]

It's actually .3 yards per game less. But those .2 points per over 17 games will be the difference. Mediocre performance is what the Bears appear to aim for, though.

Damn ball state math...lol

 

[sfk324]

Mike Tice: 0
Mark Helfrich: 0
Bill Lazor: 4

Combined years of NFL offensive coordinator experience among those three.

1. Please identify where in Lambert's tweet that was his point. It wasn't, which is why he deliberately avoided mentioning college OC years where it didn't fit his narrative.

2. Lazor still has more experience than Waldron as an NFL OC.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

1. Please identify where in Lambert's tweet that was his point. It wasn't, which is why he deliberately avoided mentioning college OC years where it didn't fit his narrative.

2. Lazor still has more experience than Waldron as an NFL OC.

1. He didn't. It's my point.

2. Yes. 4 > 3. One season's worth. He was unemployed in 2022 and is currently a Senior Offensive Assistant for the Houston Texas, whatever that entails. CJ Stroud is likely to bump some people up the coaching ranks after this season. Maybe he's one of them.

Tice was a former head coach. They hired him to be an OC despite never having called plays before. He sucked and got fired. All of these things are true all at once. Hmm.

Helfrich didn't call the plays anyway, Nagy did. Helfrich also didn't call plays at Oregon when he was OC. Chip Kelly did that. The Bears hired him with zero NFL coaching experience, some OC time in college at Colorado and the HC of Oregon, to NOT call plays in the NFL. He hasn't coached anywhere since the Bears let him go.

The Bears just hired an OC who has been working, as an NFL OC, for the last three years. I'm sort of enjoying the idea at the moment. Zero apologies given.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[sfk324]

1. He didn't. It's my point.

2. Yes. 4 > 3. One season's worth. He was unemployed in 2022 and is currently a Senior Offensive Assistant for the Houston Texas, whatever that entails. CJ Stroud is likely to bump some people up the coaching ranks after this season. Maybe he's one of them.

Tice was a former head coach. They hired him to be an OC despite never having called plays before. He sucked and got fired. All of these things are true all at once. Hmm.

Helfrich didn't call the plays anyway, Nagy did. Helfrich also didn't call plays at Oregon when he was OC. Chip Kelly did that. The Bears hired him with zero NFL coaching experience, some OC time in college at Colorado and the HC of Oregon, to NOT call plays in the NFL. He hasn't coached anywhere since the Bears let him go.

The Bears just hired an OC who has been working, as an NFL OC, for the last three years. I'm sort of enjoying the idea at the moment. Zero apologies given.

Cool beans. The more apt conclusion to reach is that the Bears (and their dedicated media) enjoy finding new ways to justify mediocrity, and the diehards lap it up. Enjoy!

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Cool beans. The more apt conclusion to reach is that the Bears (and their dedicated media) enjoy finding new ways to justify mediocrity, and the diehards lap it up. Enjoy!

Who is lapping up what, exactly?

I'm personally kind of lukewarm on the hire, but it beats just about everything they've done in the previous decade and comes as an upgrade from Luke Getsy. I can't stop you from pissing on the ashes of a hire that was made this morning, but I don't think anyone here is overjoyed like this is some slam dunk coup of a hire. He's worked with different types of QBs during his career in the NFL. Could get Justin, could get Caleb. We'll see. Might be terrible, might be good.

Waldron was supposed to have multiple job options around the League. For whatever reason, he chose the Bears.

Now we see who he brings with him on the offensive staff.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Before this year he was seen as a likely HC candidate

 

[NDFAN420]

Cool beans. The more apt conclusion to reach is that the Bears (and their dedicated media) enjoy finding new ways to justify mediocrity, and the diehards lap it up. Enjoy!

Maybe try something new for a change, add some value to a conversation.

 

[sfk324]

Maybe try something new for a change, add some value to a conversation.

Feel free to hit the ignore button, guy with a weed reference in his username.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm taking both as solid advice.

 

[sfk324]

I'm taking both as solid advice.

Then feel free to hit the ignore button on me, too, instead of following me.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Before this year he was seen as a likely HC candidate

It's interesting that Seattle is clearly going in a different direction there, but whatever.

His offenses run the ball, pass to the playmakers, go 11 and 12 personnel and take care of the ball. For 12 personnel they'll need another TE to go with Kmet.

If the Divisional Round this past weekend showed me anything, I don't give a damn who the QB is, the Bears need a center.

 

[NDFAN420]

Feel free to hit the ignore button, guy with a weed reference in his username.

and a pic of me & the Mrs. slapping the "Play Like A Champion Today" in the tunnel at ND Stadium above said username.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Cool beans. The more apt conclusion to reach is that the Bears (and their dedicated media) enjoy finding new ways to justify mediocrity, and the diehards lap it up. Enjoy!

That's an odd and ignorant conclusion you've drawn for yourself.

I haven't seen any Bears fans saying that this is a slam dunk and we're SB bound, but I think you really need to evaluate what Waldron accomplished in Seattle.

That team was expected to SUCK on offense. The fact that Waldron got what he got out of the Seahawks, despite having an absolute dogsh*t OL riddled by injuries and Geno f*cking Smith at QB is nothing short of a miracle. He also has experience working under Belichick, Carroll and McVay, three of the best coaches of the past decade and a half.

Lazor, the most experienced OC the Bears have had in over a decade, had failed stints in Cincinnati and Miami, and that's about it.

Waldron may not be the offensive wunderkind, but there's no denying it's FAR better than what they've had as OC over the past 15 years.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Then feel free to hit the ignore button on me, too, instead of following me.

You're not helping your case.

I saw the post you made prior to you deleting it, saying my post was ignorant because I said Seattle's OL was sh*t and that Waldron made something out of Geno Smith.

I mean, for you to say that was ignorant is in and of itself ignorant. Geno Smith was a career back-up, at best, prior to his stint in Seattle. Waldron turned his career around and made him into a semi-competent starter. And yes, Seattle's OL was garbage. They were among the worst ranked OL's in the NFL. How you think that is ignorant is beyond me. That is not even remotely debatable.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Who is lapping up what, exactly?

I'm personally kind of lukewarm on the hire, but it beats just about everything they've done in the previous decade and comes as an upgrade from Luke Getsy. I can't stop you from pissing on the ashes of a hire that was made this morning, but I don't think anyone here is overjoyed like this is some slam dunk coup of a hire. He's worked with different types of QBs during his career in the NFL. Could get Justin, could get Caleb. We'll see. Might be terrible, might be good.

Waldron was supposed to have multiple job options around the League. For whatever reason, he chose the Bears.

Now we see who he brings with him on the offensive staff.

This dude is a complete troll.