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[BoredIrish]

Eberflus seems like he would be a good DC.

Too bad he was hired as the HC.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Fields isn't the problem.. Sorry just don't and won't ever agree with it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Fields isn't the problem.. Sorry just don't and won't ever agree with it.

Fields is definitely part of the problem, but he isn't the sole problem.

 

[MKEagle]

Fields is definitely part of the problem, but he isn't the sole problem.

The lack of playmakers outside of Moore is pretty glaring. Kmet is a very solid TE but he isn't a game-wrecker.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The lack of playmakers outside of Moore is pretty glaring. Kmet is a very solid TE but he isn't a game-wrecker.

DJ Moore is one of the best receivers in the game and Kmet is likely a Pro Bowler after this year. Another WR shouldn't be what brings this offense to average, it should be what brings the offense to elite.

 

[MKEagle]

DJ Moore is one of the best receivers in the game and Kmet is likely a Pro Bowler after this year. Another WR shouldn't be what brings this offense to average, it should be what brings the offense to elite.

When DJ Moore is healthy yes, but it was pretty clear after the first drive he was not playing at 100%

 

[sfk324]

Fields isn't the problem.. Sorry just don't and won't ever agree with it.

He's not the solution, either. Which is a problem, albeit a different one.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Sorry guys. If people think Jalen hurts is an elite QB then why isn't Fields?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Sorry guys. If people think Jalen hurts is an elite QB then why isn't Fields?

 

[sfk324]

Sorry guys. If people think Jalen hurts is an elite QB then why isn't Fields?

 

[rtrn2glory]

OMG fellas. Don't pretend they are not literally the exact same player. For real tell me how they're different? The right OC is all that's needed to maximize the talent I know he has

 

[zelezo vlk]

OMG fellas. Don't pretend they are not literally the exact same player.

This is some serious delusion

 

[rtrn2glory]

Sorry dude that's bullshit. I've coached and watched enough to know they're the same dude.... Difference is the organization in Philly is much better right now. I'm tired of gutting every few years. Fields with a good o line is good enough to win

 

[sfk324]

OMG fellas. Don't pretend they are not literally the exact same player. For real tell me how they're different? The right OC is all that's needed to maximize the talent I know he has

One of them (Hurts) has developed into a good pro quarterback. The other (Fields) is decidedly mediocre and has shown no improvement in the skills needed to be a good NFL QB in 3 years. Hope this helps.

 

[rtrn2glory]

One of them (Hurts) has developed into a good pro quarterback. The other (Fields) is decidedly mediocre and has shown no improvement in the skills needed to be a good NFL QB in 3 years. Hope this helps.

It's not dude. Sorry I disagree. If you switch fields and hurts you're saying the exact same thing about hurts. Only difference is the situations both dudes were drafted in. Fields drafted into a shit organization. Hurts drafted into an established organization

 

[Irish Knuckles]

OMG fellas. Don't pretend they are not literally the exact same player. For real tell me how they're different? The right OC is all that's needed to maximize the talent I know he has

hurts makes better decisions, has a better oline and probably has a better playcaller. fields has a better arm, is faster and looks like he has no idea what he's doing at times.

 

[rtrn2glory]

hurts makes better decisions, has a better oline and probably has a better playcaller. fields has a better arm, is faster and looks like he has no idea what he's doing at times.

I can see this approach. Again though if you switch the two I just believe the talent of Fields in the right situation garners similar if not better results

 

[zelezo vlk]

Sorry dude that's bullshit. I've coached and watched enough to know they're the same dude.... Difference is the organization in Philly is much better right now. I'm tired of gutting every few years. Fields with a good o line is good enough to win

I don't know why I'm doing this to myself, but you're just wrong lol. Jalen Hurts takes fewer sacks than Fields on per drop-back basis. This is a stat that has largely been determined to be tied to the QB and not the situation.

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[Irish Knuckles]

I can see this approach. Again though if you switch the two I just believe the talent of Fields in the right situation garners similar if not better results

agree with that.

 

[sfk324]

It's not dude. Sorry I disagree. If you switch fields and hurts you're saying the exact same thing about hurts. Only difference is the situations both dudes were drafted in. Fields drafted into a shit organization. Hurts drafted into an established organization

There's a reason the offense looked better with Tyson effing Bagent than it has with Fields. They have the same average pocket time, but sure, the Philly OL is head and shoulders better. The o-line for Hurts looks better because Hurts makes better, faster decisions and doesn't stand there like he's never seen decent coverage or a delayed blitz in his life.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Seriously you cannot think the play calling is the same with Fields to the backup. We're going to have to agree to disagree because there's no way you can convince me that they are better with Bagent in there. Not too mention I haven't seen a legit analyst with football experience take the stand that they should move on from Fields

 

[sfk324]

Seriously you cannot think the play calling is the same with Fields to the backup. We're going to have to agree to disagree because there's no way you can convince me that they are better with Bagent in there. Not too mention I haven't seen a legit analyst with football experience take the stand that they should move on from Fields

Then you haven't been looking.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Then you haven't been looking.

Alright solid take

 

[zelezo vlk]

Robert Mays of The Athletic just said last week after the Lions game that moving on is probably the right choice because of the looming contract situation and the Panthers pick likely being #1 overall

 

[sfk324]

Alright solid take

So is the subjective "legit analyst with football experience" There ar articles all over the place from what any objective person would say are legit analysts with football experience saying they should move on. That you haven't seen them indicates one of two things: either you're not looking for anything that bursts your "Justin Fields da goat" bubble, or you poopoo any analysis that does so by saying it's not legit. Both of those are your hangups.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Ok did Robert Mays play or coach? Serious question. Writers are not analysts to me sorry

 

[rtrn2glory]

So is the subjective "legit analyst with football experience" There ar articles all over the place from what any objective person would say are legit analysts with football experience saying they should move on. That you haven't seen them indicates one of two things: either you're not looking for anything that bursts your "Justin Fields da goat" bubble, or you poopoo any analysis that does so by saying it's not legit. Both of those are your hangups.

Same question. Who that has played or coached says move on?

 

[sfk324]

Ok did Robert Mays play or coach? Serious question. Writers are not analysts to me sorry

Orlovsky did, and thinks it's time to move on. Yahoo had an article 3 days ago saying 7 current NFL GMs think the Bears have to move on and it isn't close.

 

[sfk324]

Same question. Who that has played or coached says move on?

So as I said, it's your subjective feeling of what counts as a legit analyst with football experience. You have zero football experience, so clearly your take is wrong.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Orlovsky did, and thinks it's time to move on. Yahoo had an article 3 days ago saying 7 current NFL GMs think the Bears have to move on and it isn't close.

Link please....

All honesty no hard feelings here gentlemen, good solid debate.