Chansi Stuckey - WR Coach

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I have no clue why Stuckey was let go, but my first thought upon hearing the news was that it was probably because it was obvious to Freeman that he was not "on board" with having Parker come back as OC.

As a head coach, you just can't have division within your coaching ranks. Every coach has to buy in. MF may have made a bad choice in retaining Parker as OC. But once that decision is made, you have to move on from coaches that don't buy in (at least outwardly).

In regards to Freeman's "hopeful" comment. I get that it may have been an attempt at providing a "non-answer". If that was the case, it wasn't a good choice. You simply can't say that and then the very next day, fire a coach. Just a bad look.
Agree except your last comment. I think that was the way to handle it. If he had said "hopeful, but we'll have to wait and see" or "hopeful, but there are some conversations that need to be had" then the rumor mill goes 100mph and speculation runs amok. I certainly didn't wake up today expecting to use the word amok.
 

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I was going to post something very similar. The timing of this points to an element outside of "performance review at the end of the season".

The only possible explanations I can come up with:

  • Interpersonal conflict: this could be between Stuckey and offensive staff, Stuckey and Freeman, Stuckey and players or who knows?
  • Dereliction of duties: unwilling to do things as Freeman or the offense wants. This is really hard to believe but I guess it's possible.
  • Character issues: this is the most unlikely, Brady Quinn has gone to bat for him as have others. I feel kind of back for Stuckey.
It can't be recruiting related, he has two - greatly improved classes between 2023 and 2024.

Part of me wants to feel encouraged that Freeman is a strong leader and willing to make a difficult decision when it needs to be made and part of me is fearful that we're beginning to see some fault lines in his approach. And the only real way to judge these moves is see how the offseason, and ultimately, 2024 plays out.
This is how I feel. It's all very puzzling but it makes more sense if ND is going all in on Shephard. I wonder if ND is willing to demote Parker. My guess is they're offering Shephard a co-OC title, which would be a demotion of sorts.

I don't think Driskell was making things up out of whole cloth. It is probably more like the Jurkovec situation where he's taking a biased source as gospel.
 

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I'm not a subscriber, but does Loy just pump sunshine, have bad sources and repeat what they tell him, or just make stuff up?
He has definitely had some cases where he was dead on...but it's for sure sunshine pumping season.
 

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I'm not a subscriber, but does Loy just pump sunshine, have bad sources and repeat what they tell him, or just make stuff up?
I think since John Brice has joined II everyone on that staff has gotten better insider info. Have to remember that Shephard and Freeman have a history.
 

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I remember the narrative being that Freeman chose Stuckey over Shephard- is that accurate? If so, I'm surprised Shephard would have interest again. He must really want to be at ND
Really different without Reice here, Shephard wanted control of the passing game and Reice didn't like that. Now with Porker as OC and we know he doesn't have complete control, Shephard is likely to get what he wanted
 

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This whole situation seems… off. I can’t put my finger on it, but I feel like there’s something missing here. You don’t fire someone to just appease a couple squeaky wheels… or at least you shouldn’t, but it does make the timing make more sense rather than waiting until after the bowl. You don’t announce “everyone will be back” and then can someone the next day, you’d say something more diplomatic like “every year we have conversations with all of the coaches and…” The final alternative would be that Freeman got confirmation from another WR coach that they want in and he doesn’t want to lose that guy so he had to make a move with Stuckey immediately.

I imagine we’ll have a clearer picture in a few days of what exactly went down.
ya nothing is adding up at all.

in one thread we are saying that Tobias and Braylon were threatening to leave if he stayed and in another they are saying Braylon is most likely to transfer due to their close relationship. He definitely was on the Stuckey train to SB and I dont think was even legitimately on ND's radar (or vice versa) until Stuckey came here.

Would Freeman really make a decision to fire a coach after 1 season because 2 bench players threaten to leave?

Then we have a narrative being released/pushed that the reason Freeman chose to stick with Parker is because of how Fickell stuck it out with MF after his first year as a coordinator and he is choosing to do the same with Parker. Yet Freeman isnt willing to come to that same level of grace with his WR coach? Huh?

Today it's a bunch of discussion how they are going to make Hartline or Shepherd say no first. Both guys are some level higher (even if by name) than our existing WR coach. So if either of these two show up they are going to be Co-OC or PGC. But by all accounts Gino took over as PGC at the end of the season. So were going to have 3 cooks in that kitchen next year? I see that working out just perfect!
 

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ya nothing is adding up at all.

in one thread we are saying that Tobias and Braylon were threatening to leave if he stayed and in another they are saying Braylon is most likely to transfer due to their close relationship. He definitely was on the Stuckey train to SB and I dont think was even legitimately on ND's radar (or vice versa) until Stuckey came here.

Would Freeman really make a decision to fire a coach after 1 season because 2 bench players threaten to leave?

Then we have a narrative being released/pushed that the reason Freeman chose to stick with Parker is because of how Fickell stuck it out with MF after his first year as a coordinator and he is choosing to do the same with Parker. Yet Freeman isnt willing to come to that same level of grace with his WR coach? Huh?

Today it's a bunch of discussion how they are going to make Hartline or Shepherd say no first. Both guys are some level higher (even if by name) than our existing WR coach. So if either of these two show up they are going to be Co-OC or PGC. But by all accounts Gino took over as PGC at the end of the season. So were going to have 3 cooks in that kitchen next year? I see that working out just perfect!

I mean the simple explanation for all of this is that 1) Parker will not be the OC next year but hasn't been canned because he's a friend of MF and he wants to do the guy a solid by giving him the opportunity to find a job elsewhere, 2) Freeman thought the WR productivity stunk last year, and 3) that the next OC is also a WR coach. Gino goes back to QB coach under those circumstances.

I'm not saying that's what will happen, but I also believe in Occam's razor. All the other stuff surrounding this is just noise.
 

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I mean the simple explanation for all of this is that 1) Parker will not be the OC next year but hasn't been canned because he's a friend of MF and he wants to do the guy a solid by giving him the opportunity to find a job elsewhere, 2) Freeman thought the WR productivity stunk last year, and 3) that the next OC is also a WR coach. Gino goes back to QB coach under those circumstances.

I'm not saying that's what will happen, but I also believe in Occam's razor. All the other stuff surrounding this is just noise.
it certainly could (and i hope) play out this way. Just pointing out all the nonsense so that folks remember not to believe anything getting reported/pushed
 

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Freeman telling Parker he won't be OC next year and giving him the opportunity to find a job elsewhere is not unheard of, by the way. Last year, it was a known fact that Josh Gattis wasn't going to be back as Miami's OC, but the news wasn't announced until the end of January (even though Miami didn't go bowling). Cristobal gave JG the ability to go out and see if he could get a job elsewhere before relieving him of his duties.

I think MF does the same thing with GP.
 

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The amount of attention position coaches get on message boards these days is kinda funny to me.
On the one hand I agree. On the other hand Brian Hartline is probably the sole reason Ohio State has remained playoff relevant since Day took over.
 

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Freeman telling Parker he won't be OC next year and giving him the opportunity to find a job elsewhere is not unheard of, by the way. Last year, it was a known fact that Josh Gattis wasn't going to be back as Miami's OC, but the news wasn't announced until the end of January (even though Miami didn't go bowling). Cristobal gave JG the ability to go out and see if he could get a job elsewhere before relieving him of his duties.

I think MF does the same thing with GP.
Bk did this before too with Molnar when he got the UMass HC gig
 

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Freeman telling Parker he won't be OC next year and giving him the opportunity to find a job elsewhere is not unheard of, by the way. Last year, it was a known fact that Josh Gattis wasn't going to be back as Miami's OC, but the news wasn't announced until the end of January (even though Miami didn't go bowling). Cristobal gave JG the ability to go out and see if he could get a job elsewhere before relieving him of his duties.

I think MF does the same thing with GP.
This is where I'm at as well. Or at the very least saying that he will have a diminished roll in 2024, which is almost a certainly given Gino's involvement late in the season.
 

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This is where I'm at as well. Or at the very least saying that he will have a diminished roll in 2024, which is almost a certainly given Gino's involvement late in the season.

Right. Everyone is taking the "I hope the whole staff is back" comment and running with it as a sure sign Parker is back as OC, even though Stuckey was gone literally the next day.

My hope is that Freeman has already discussed with Parker that he'll coach the bowl game in some capacity as OC, but if he wants to be on staff next year, it's as TE coach and nothing else. And if Parker wants to see if he can be an OC elsewhere, MF will hold off on making things official until GP has had the opportunity to see what else is out there.

Who knows. It's all speculation at this point, but everyone seems to be running with the "GP will be back next year" and going hysterical over it.
 

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I get the impression that because of what Freeman said on Monday, several people on this board and throughout the ND fan base immediately assumed this entire staff would going to return for next season. He didn't speak in complete absolutes compared to some others in the past.

Regardless of whatever he said, how could anyone automatically set their minds to the idea that none of these assistants were going to be gone. What about this profession do people not understand? The very next day an assistant was off the books and while it was surprising, it should not be in anyway shocking nor should it call into question whatever was said the day before.
It's true, the fanbase is mostly filled with a bunch of dummies
 

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He has definitely had some cases where he was dead on...but it's for sure sunshine pumping season.

Nobody is perfect but overall he's pretty good. He's a 247 national guy, not ND beat even though he does a lot of ND coverage.

From a professionalism standpoint he's usually very good with the occasional head scratcher. Case in point is the Dante Moore recruiting "obituary" from last year.

However, those who think he's bad should really read some of the content from other 247 sites, Michigan for example. Loy is like Walter Cronkite compared to them, so just keep that in mind.
 

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The amount of attention position coaches get on message boards these days is kinda funny to me.
True, we do this with every position coach but WR coach seems especially important. It's THEE offensive position that has put us behind other top programs. We often have a playoff defense, playoff TEs, sometimes playoff RBs, often playoff OL but we're making up ground at WR. Most recent QBs have been good not great.

That fact, coupled with everyone hoping some new offensive ideas are injected into the playbook and this hire does feel really important for recruiting and the 2024+ success.
 

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The amount of attention position coaches get on message boards these days is kinda funny to me.
True, lol. But, I also think fans now realize that position coaches matter to elite prospects. They examine whether their potential position coach puts guys in the NFL first, then look at the broader program to see if they are a fit. I don’t blame them either, it’s a decision with life altering consequences. See Brian Hartline as exhibit A.
 

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True, we do this with every position coach but WR coach seems especially important. It's THEE offensive position that has put us behind other top programs. We often have a playoff defense, playoff TEs, sometimes playoff RBs, often playoff OL but we're making up ground at WR. Most recent QBs have been good not great.

That fact, coupled with everyone hoping some new offensive ideas are injected into the playbook and this hire does feel really important for recruiting and the 2024+ success.
We have to Mickens the WR room. Give it a Mickensing.
 
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