Chansi Stuckey - WR Coach

[Grahambo]

Improvement, that’s it. I am simply pointing out that, generally speaking, the WRs do not appear to be getting better on an individual basis under Stuckey. For the most part, they appear to be stagnating or regressing for the past couple seasons. There are likely multiple reasons, and it is reasonable to assume that Stuckey is one of those reasons.

I’m being genuine when I’m asking you what are you seeing (or in this case not seeing) that leads you to believe they aren’t improving? Is it their lack of separation? Ability at the point of catch? Route running? Is it a combination to include Stuckey being publicly over confident?

For me, it seems injuries have played a big role. I think he inherited a weak WR room and has had to piece it together on the fly. Greathouse and Flores are playing above average, especially for freshman. Faison has really come on and Tyree looks night and day different after playing most as a RB his career. Thomas and Colzie have been hurt and I thought Merriweather was as well.

It also appears as if Hartman is at his best targeting the slot and the TE. That doesn’t help the outside WRs. I also don’t think the play calling has helped either.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Well, our passing game efficiency numbers were off the chart the first 4 weeks now they’re average at best, I mean, that clearly shows wrs aren’t playing as good now as they were first 4 games

Yea competition has picked up, but in my view tyree and faison are the only wrs that look capable right now … they have increased production, Rico has played more to get some production but he makes more big mistakes than plays

Thomas was terrible vs nc state and osu pre injury … less than 10 yards combined in those 2 games and he was our clear #1

Dude do you ever get tired of bitching about this team? In this thread alone I count >15 posts bitching about the WR’s THIS MONTH. In this thread alone. Give it a fucking rest. The true tell you are a troll is that you post more about the negatives in every thread about an ND player or coach than you post about Skunkbear Cheating Scandals or any other topic. You do nothing but bitch about our beloved Irish. And when I say our I exclude you.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I’m being genuine when I’m asking you what are you seeing (or in this case not seeing) that leads you to believe they aren’t improving? Is it their lack of separation? Ability at the point of catch? Route running? Is it a combination to include Stuckey being publicly over confident?

For me, it seems injuries have played a big role. I think he inherited a weak WR room and has had to piece it together on the fly. Greathouse and Flores are playing above average, especially for freshman. Faison has really come on and Tyree looks night and day different after playing most as a RB his career. Thomas and Colzie have been hurt and I thought Merriweather was as well.

It also appears as if Hartman is at his best targeting the slot and the TE. That doesn’t help the outside WRs. I also don’t think the play calling has helped either.

For me, every player he’s had for over a year hasn’t shown improvement (Thomas and Tobias)

How did it take so long to realize faison should be in, and in a lot?

Rico is being used wrong

Hamstring injuries have something to do with volume and coaching too

I’m not incredibly down on Stuckey; I just expected a lot more with a qb like Hartman and our running game

 

[Me2SouthBend]

For me, every player he’s had for over a year hasn’t shown improvement (Thomas and Tobias)

How did it take so long to realize faison should be in, and in a lot?

Rico is being used wrong

Hamstring injuries have something to do with volume and coaching too

I’m not incredibly down on Stuckey; I just expected a lot more with a qb like Hartman and our running game

And in the time it took me to write a post you prove my point. SMH.

 

[PutuporShutup]

And in the time it took me to write a post you prove my point. SMH.

I know, pretty easy to write a few things that show our poor wr play… glad I could do it for you

 

[PutuporShutup]

Dude do you ever get tired of bitching about this team? In this thread alone I count >15 posts bitching about the WR’s THIS MONTH. In this thread alone. Give it a fucking rest. The true tell you are a troll is that you post more about the negatives in every thread about an ND player or coach than you post about Skunkbear Cheating Scandals or any other topic. You do nothing but bitch about our beloved Irish. And when I say our I exclude you.

You clearly have never lived for a significant amount of time with a gf or wife if you think me discussing ND areas needing improvement is “bitching”…

 

[OhioIrish]

I’m being genuine when I’m asking you what are you seeing (or in this case not seeing) that leads you to believe they aren’t improving? Is it their lack of separation? Ability at the point of catch? Route running? Is it a combination to include Stuckey being publicly over confident?

For me, it seems injuries have played a big role. I think he inherited a weak WR room and has had to piece it together on the fly. Greathouse and Flores are playing above average, especially for freshman. Faison has really come on and Tyree looks night and day different after playing most as a RB his career. Thomas and Colzie have been hurt and I thought Merriweather was as well.

It also appears as if Hartman is at his best targeting the slot and the TE. That doesn’t help the outside WRs. I also don’t think the play calling has helped either.

I’d say it’s all of the above. Thomas and Colzie still struggle to win off the line, to get separation, and lack assertiveness in winning at the ball. Styles absolutely and inexplicably regressed - enough said. Merriwhether has not shown any improvement in route running or in utilizing his body, he also appears to lack confidence. None of these receivers has really developed elite hands, either. Ultimately, each came in with a fairly promising skill set, and none has become anything approaching a stand-out, let alone elite. They aren’t scrubs, all 4 that I named were highly rated and have shown true flashes of ability, but not one has grown into a comptent, productive Power 5 receiver in the past 2 years. I get the injury argument, but these were problems before the injuries. To me, the fact that a converted RB, a freshman lax player, and 2 other freshman are your most productive receivers suggest that there hasn’t been any development happening over the past two years in the upper classes. At some point, Stuckey has to show he can maximize the talent, regardless of what’s in the cupboard — he’s done the opposite, imo.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Also, whomever is making the decision on when and how to play greathouse and Thomas with their hamstring injuries seems moronic. Not sure what role Stuckey has in that but you don’t play a wr that can’t sprint. Neither of them helped vs Louisville or usc yet their injuries linger. Losing Balis probably hurts here

 

[GoIrish41]

I have seen very little to poor effort on contested throws from the outside receivers. They seem tentative and this seems to be a similar trait to which Irishff1014 stated above off the line. DBs aren’t just going to let you run free and play pitch and catch. Gotta work for it. Seems like they are lacking urgency.

 

[T-Boone]

Evans has been our best receiving option all year.
That would worry Stuckey.
He needs to get improvement next year. I predict he will.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I honestly thought that you’d have something more clever to say in response. But, very on brand for you to bring up your stats — we got it, you’ve been laid 3 times and don’t try anymore. Let’s move back to football, yes?

 

[AKRowdy]

Is it an odd time? I try not to be a prisoner of the moment, but if I were, I’m not sure I’d lean on 11 catches for 200 yards. Pitt had 12 catches for about 150, should they feel reassured by that output today? For the season, the WR core has been mostly unimpressive. I understand injuries, but Colzie, Thomas, Styles, and Merriwhether have been unimpressive for multiple seasons even when healthy —and all were very highly rated. I’m not saying “fire Stuckey”, I think we should keep him another season, I’m just think that MF should be looking around.

You lose credibility in your argument when you name a player who is on a different team and in a different position.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

2 years is more than enough time to develop talent, he hasn’t really done it. Styles was an absolute hit too as a freshman, then regressed after Stuckey arrived. Flores and Greathouse are talents that were developed at a high level when they arrived, but they have stagnated, imo. Merriwhether is stuck in neutral, as is Thomas. Colzie was a 5 star in some circles and has not blossomed at all. I’m just calling it like I see it. A good job resembles our RB and TE rooms — players growing and contributing as the spend more time in the program. It’s a pretty non-controversial take, tbh.

So where does that leave Tyree? Everyone has been praising how fast and well he has made the switch from RB to WR. So why are you ignoring the good coaching job Stuckey has done.

Colzie looked good and was really coming on at the end of last season. And this year he has played in two games due to injury. And in the one full game he played in he caught a TD. Seems like Stuckey has done a good job with Colzie.

Thomas came on last year to be possibly the best receiver on the team. But, he has been dealing with a hamstring since the OSU game and has missed majority of games this season due to the injury. I’m not sure if you realize that WRs actually have to run on every single snap and to run humans have to use their hamstring. So logically if a hamstring is pulled it makes it difficult to run. This is the reason Thomas has not performed because he has been on the sidelines injured.

Same for Greathouse with running, he has a hamstring pull as well.

Flores has played pretty darn well for a freshman who we know is not a burner. He had some good plays this past weekend and caught the 2pt conversion at Duke.

You don’t seem very bright. So I’m not going to try to explain to you what the term “hitting the freshman wall” is. And NO it does not mean the freshman players starting running into physical walls.

Get a grip bro!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I watch football and make observations, that’s all that is required of a fan. Have fun with your stats and assessments, I’ll be over here with the people who get laid.

You know that you sound like a moron right?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

LOL.

 

[NDdomer2]

You know that you sound like a moron right?

its clear he doesnt

 

[OhioIrish]

You know that you sound like a moron right?

This coming from the guy who just wrote me a novella in his previous post. Lol, try a little self-awareness Sherminator.

 

[NDohio]

So where does that leave Tyree? Everyone has been praising how fast and well he has made the switch from RB to WR. So why are you ignoring the good coaching job Stuckey has done.

Colzie looked good and was really coming on at the end of last season. And this year he has played in two games due to injury. And in the one full game he played in he caught a TD. Seems like Stuckey has done a good job with Colzie.

Thomas came on last year to be possibly the best receiver on the team. But, he has been dealing with a hamstring since the OSU game and has missed majority of games this season due to the injury. I’m not sure if you realize that WRs actually have to run on every single snap and to run humans have to use their hamstring. So logically if a hamstring is pulled it makes it difficult to run. This is the reason Thomas has not performed because he has been on the sidelines injured.

Same for Greathouse with running, he has a hamstring pull as well.

Flores has played pretty darn well for a freshman who we know is not a burner. He had some good plays this past weekend and caught the 2pt conversion at Duke.

You don’t seem very bright. So I’m not going to try to explain to you what the term “hitting the freshman wall” is. And NO it does not mean the freshman players starting running into physical walls.

Get a grip bro!

Add in Faison too. The guy was a walk-on to start the season. Came in as a LAX player and has been tearing it up on the scout team and is now an important part of the WR room. CS gets no credit for that?

 

[OhioIrish]

Add in Faison too. The guy was a walk-on to start the season. Came in as a LAX player and has been tearing it up on the scout team and is now an important part of the WR room. CS gets no credit for that?

I think that’s a fair point — but those skills are likely those he came in with, not that have been developed by CS. Honestly, if a freshman lax walk-on can stroll into your WR room and take snaps away from scholarship guys, that’s a development problem. I understand there have been some hamstring pulls, but still . . .

 

[PutuporShutup]

Add in Faison too. The guy was a walk-on to start the season. Came in as a LAX player and has been tearing it up on the scout team and is now an important part of the WR room. CS gets no credit for that?

minimal, he didn't recruit him or spend much time with him since he was on scout team. You aren't getting ND offensive reps on scout team, you're getting opposing team simulation reps.

Reporters stated Tobias looked bad in the fall camp practices but they also stated faison was lighting it up. Result - Tobias starts and plays bad, faison goes to scout team and continues to do well. Faison forced to play vs Louisville and has one of the top 2 or 3 WR plays this season for ND and looks to be one of our best WRs. This is where coaches play favorites sometimes and not the deserving player.

I'm sure stuckey is giving him a lot more attention now, but the way faison was handled early probably cost us a game.

I get it, not easy for a frosh walk on lax player to earn reps, but it seems like it was probably pretty darn obvious. I mean, it was clear the first rep he took at louisville.

 

[USMCVandy]

For me, every player he’s had for over a year hasn’t shown improvement (Thomas and Tobias)

How did it take so long to realize faison should be in, and in a lot?

Rico is being used wrong

Hamstring injuries have something to do with volume and coaching too

I’m not incredibly down on Stuckey; I just expected a lot more with a qb like Hartman and our running game

Well shit, where the fuck have you been, and why aren't you the WR coach? You seem to know so much, especially about Rico and how wrong he's being used. Someone call Jack and MF! get this man a job on the coaching staff. SMH.

 

[NDLS_USMC]

Well shit, where the fuck have you been, and why aren't you the WR coach? You seem to know so much, especially about Rico and how wrong he's being used. Someone call Jack and MF! get this man a job on the coaching staff. SMH.

Semper Fi and bring that moto to ALL the posts!

 

[NDohio]

I think that’s a fair point — but those skills are likely those he came in with, not that have been developed by CS. Honestly, if a freshman lax walk-on can stroll into your WR room and take snaps away from scholarship guys, that’s a development problem. I understand there have been some hamstring pulls, but still . . .

minimal, he didn't recruit him or spend much time with him since he was on scout team. You aren't getting ND offensive reps on scout team, you're getting opposing team simulation reps.

Reporters stated Tobias looked bad in the fall camp practices but they also stated faison was lighting it up. Result - Tobias starts and plays bad, faison goes to scout team and continues to do well. Faison forced to play vs Louisville and has one of the top 2 or 3 WR plays this season for ND and looks to be one of our best WRs. This is where coaches play favorites sometimes and not the deserving player.

I'm sure stuckey is giving him a lot more attention now, but the way faison was handled early probably cost us a game.

I get it, not easy for a frosh walk on lax player to earn reps, but it seems like it was probably pretty darn obvious. I mean, it was clear the first rep he took at louisville.

OK, so just to make sure I understand your positions:

Faison is good because he is highly skilled and has not been developed at all by the WR coach.

Other WRs on the roster that are skilled but are not making good impressions is because this same WR coach is not developing them.

Conclusion:

Everything that has happened in the WR room has been player centric and the coach has nothing to do with it.

Does that cover it?

 

[OhioIrish]

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OK, so just to make sure I understand your positions:

Faison is good because he is highly skilled and has not been developed at all by the WR coach.

Other WRs on the roster that are skilled but are not making good impressions is because this same WR coach is not developing them.

Conclusion:

Everything that has happened in the WR room has been player centric and the coach has nothing to do with it.

Does that cover it?

Nah, I just saying that the WRs don’t seem to be developing.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Well shit, where the fuck have you been, and why aren't you the WR coach? You seem to know so much, especially about Rico and how wrong he's being used. Someone call Jack and MF! get this man a job on the coaching staff. SMH.

Dabo is that you? please continue ranting on fans over message boards instead of coach/game planning for ND

 

[NDdomer2]

N

Nah, I just saying that the WRs don’t seem to be developing.

i have seen this quoting error recently with another poster....hmmm...

 

[PutuporShutup]

OK, so just to make sure I understand your positions:

Faison is good because he is highly skilled and has not been developed at all by the WR coach.

Other WRs on the roster that are skilled but are not making good impressions is because this same WR coach is not developing them.

Conclusion:

Everything that has happened in the WR room has been player centric and the coach has nothing to do with it.

Does that cover it?

No… who has he had the most time with…. Tobias, colzie, Thomas…. 3 talented wrs not playing well and or injured

Who has he had the least amount of time with , faison - looks like our second best wr after tyree

Give Stuckey kudos for tyree, our best wr is a converted rb in less than a year

I’m not writing Stuckey off, but he hasn’t shown or proven much coaching wise … he’s definitely recruiting much better

were our wrs over used in camp, is that why they are injured? What team has 3 of their top 5 wrs injured for over half the year?

There’s a lot going on here, not much good at wr spot other than recruiting and two good stories with faison and tyree

I honestly think parker is part of the problem too, we're asking the wrong WRs to do certain things. Example, tobias was doing a lot of inline blocking vs OSU/Duke/NC State - He's not that strong. We keep putting rico in 1-1 downfield matchups. So far they have been incomplete or picked. Tyree/Faison/Tobias/Thomas (when healthy) are the wrs that have shown the ability to beat man. We don't do a good job of scheming wrs open (until second half of pitt where he used some big PA).

 

[Irish#1]

Well shit, where the fuck have you been, and why aren't you the WR coach? You seem to know so much, especially about Rico and how wrong he's being used. Someone call Jack and MF! get this man a job on the coaching staff. SMH.

It's what he does.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I think I may be flipping sides here. I've defended this man and took into calculation the injuries and empty cupboards he came into.

But I am officially questioning whether or not he is the guy. And am now leaning "no". I always knew he was a gamble hire. And I knew it was an uphill battle.

But what I've seen from the discipline for the WR has scared me. Not being athletic or experienced is one thing. Absolutely absurd holds, pick plays, lack of effort?

It's unreal. I've never seen anything like this. Del at his worst at a better on the field product. These WRs look like they do not want to be out there. Faison is literally the only one I see busting his balls.