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Its about money.Fire him now and he is paid what left on the contract.ND just finished paying Weiss.In Jan.the university gave him a 6 year deal at $4 m a year.

ND can afford it...
And if they could get the right coach, I'm sure some alumni would be happy to donate.... or they could use part of that $8.3B endowment. Hell, they could fire a coach every year if they so desired.
 

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Its about money.Fire him now and he is paid what left on the contract.ND just finished paying Weiss.In Jan.the university gave him a 6 year deal at $4 m a year.
Na, keep him on. Demote him to position coach under the new coach. He'll happily resign.
 

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If this embarrassment of a coach is still here come Tuesday's presser I will vomit.
 

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Just watched BK's post game presser. He stated that he intended to punt on 4th down-always. Just kept the O on the field because he didn't want to tip his hand. He was clearly frustrated. There will be some micromanaging this week.
 

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Ohio State graduated everyone to the NFL, starting a bunch of young pups on defense, new DC, and flat our embarrass Oklahoma. No excuses.

So many DC's have to be laughing at BVG and ND right now.

Ding ding ding

Because they kick ass on the recruiting trail + know how to coach a simple defense. We don't do either. Oklahoma's QB called out their defense as "basic" before the game... well, basic gets the job done at this level because it allows guys to play fast and not confused. We still have 3 year starters that can't get their coverage responsibilities right.
 

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Everyone knew before the season that the pass rush would be bad, and that the defensive backs would be overall bad to mediocre.

Turns out, the DBs are complete garbage so teams can max protect and only run a few receivers and still get open.

End result, no sacks at all. Shades of 2009.

This team reminds me 2009 also, the early win over Nevada is just part of it.
 

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Just watched BK's post game presser. He stated that he intended to punt on 4th down-always. Just kept the O on the field because he didn't want to tip his hand. He was clearly frustrated. There will be some micromanaging this week.

So he intended to burn a timeout and punt? Moronic.
 

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from UND.com with my back story in italics...

University of Notre Dame Football Media Conference :: Notre Dame Football :: UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics


Q. You had a lot of recruits in the house last night. It wasn't one of the better defensive performances. I know you said there were other things. When those recruits ask you about the defense and how you're going to fix it, what do you tell them?

COACH KELLY: I didn't have one defensive player recruit ask us about the defense.

Why ask when they're all going to other schools?


Q. You talked about communication and teaching, that being the remedy for this. Are you confident that the scheme is right for this team? Are you confident that the coordinator, defensive coordinator, is right for this team?

COACH KELLY: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, without question. That's not even part of the conversation.

It's really about the fundamentals of defense and getting the fundamentals to the point where simple guard pull O play that is being fitted the right way. Making a play on the ball. Making a tackle. I mean, this is not rocket science what we're talking about here. These are plays that we've got to continue to work on and fundamentally get better at.

There's not a question about scheme. There's not a question about who's leading it with Brian. This is about coaching, communicating and teaching the fundamentals and getting our young players, those that don't have a lot of experience, better at execution.

Incongruent?

Q. There was a 'like' on your Twitter account of a fan suggesting you fire Brian VanGorder. How does that happen and who is in charge of that account?

COACH KELLY: I have a number of people that manage my Twitter account. Obviously going through it somebody unfortunately made a mistake as they were scrolling through, inadvertently hit it. Just a mistake, an unfortunate mistake, that was made by one of my staff members.

LOL

...We've got to be more consistent at the Will linebacker position, whether it's in pass coverage or run fits. Both Te'von and Greer, quite frankly, have got to play more consistent football for us. We've got to coach them better. Those are great kids. They want to do it. But they're not doing it consistently enough.

We see them do it in practice right. They do it right on film in practice because we're diligent in our work and film study, but we're not getting the carryover on the field.

We got to go back and find out why we're not getting that carryover. That's on us as coaches, to figure out why we're not getting carryover.

Sounds like it's on the players.
 
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from UND.com with my back story in italics...

University of Notre Dame Football Media Conference :: Notre Dame Football :: UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics


Q. You had a lot of recruits in the house last night. It wasn't one of the better defensive performances. I know you said there were other things. When those recruits ask you about the defense and how you're going to fix it, what do you tell them?

COACH KELLY: I didn't have one defensive player recruit ask us about the defense.

Why ask when they're all going to other schools?


Right like Jeter who is going to announce another school tomorrow.


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Ding ding ding

Because they kick ass on the recruiting trail + know how to coach a simple defense. We don't do either. Oklahoma's QB called out their defense as "basic" before the game... well, basic gets the job done at this level because it allows guys to play fast and not confused. We still have 3 year starters that can't get their coverage responsibilities right.

It's a simple formula. I shouldn't exclude what Houston's defense did to Oklahoma or what Todd Grantham is doing at Louisville with a bunch of no names. Or what Don Brown did at Boston freakin College last year. Or Stanford. Or Va Tech usually.

If I were BK I'd go after a defensive grad assistant at Bama and hope he grasped 10% of what Saban taught. Half joking on that one...
 

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It's a simple formula. I shouldn't exclude what Houston's defense did to Oklahoma or what Todd Grantham is doing at Louisville with a bunch of no names. Or what Don Brown did at Boston freakin College last year. Or Stanford. Or Va Tech usually.

If I were BK I'd go after a defensive grad assistant at Bama and hope he grasped 10% of what Saban taught. Half joking on that one...

TOSH!
 

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Oh shit this is actually a great idea if he wanted to come out of retirement.

...was a great coach, had killer recruiting skills...but the game is not the same. I worry about betting on an old hand, vs just cracking open the war chest and getting someone who is doing it right now. I believe ND could steal Tennessee's DC, among others.
 

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The way Kelly chewed into BVG and Lyght on the sidelines. Then what he said in the press conference after the game...there is no way both return next year. Also high chance BVG doesn't last till the end of the year.


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Yeah the third down defense is abysmal. I actually thought they were okay for the first two downs. I think a lot of the success Michigan State had was after the defense was gassed from not being able to get off the field.

And VanGordor was rotating in a pass rushing unit in on third down too, or at least what the Irish have to call one. He knows his DL is essentially NGs and SDEs.

I guess I'm just saying I thought the defense couldn't get the hell off the field and that exacerbated every other issue, which were already major to begin with.

Going forward, ya just gotta light a candle in the grotto that the safeties and pass rush develop over the next three games, then maybe they can slug it out with Stanford and salvage the season. A loss against a Duke, Syracuse, or North Carolina State was be devastating.


Amen.
 

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The way Kelly chewed into BVG and Lyght on the sidelines. Then what he said in the press conference after the game...there is no way both return next year. Also high chance BVG doesn't last till the end of the year.


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I would bet BVG lasts until the end of the year. I would also bet he's gone after that and Kelly goes somewhere outside his coaching tree for the hire, and leaves it up to them what happens with the assistants. You could make the case that every coach back there needs to be fired... you could also make the case that I'm not sure how the hell Lyght, Gilmore, etc. is exactly supposed to coach this "scheme."
 
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Is Grantham someone who would succeed at ND? Seems like he has UL playing like men possessed right now.
 

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I would bet BVG lasts until the end of the year. I would also bet he's gone after that and Kelly goes somewhere outside his coaching tree for the hire, and leaves it up to them what happens with the assistants. You could make the case that every coach back there needs to be fired... you could also make the case that I'm not sure how the hell Lyght, Gilmore, etc. is exactly supposed to coach this "scheme."



Gilmore is the one with a proven track record and consistent development of dline players year to year. So I lean to scheme or personnel regarding the lack of dline progress.


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hell, I think after a 2 hour mtg with all the sub coaches on the D I could come up with a vanilla scheme that they'd all buy into.
 

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Is Grantham someone who would succeed at ND? Seems like he has UL playing like men possessed right now.

Absolutely, name has been floated on here even before this year. One of the top DCs out there for past few years... seems unlikely we could swipe him though given his contract with Louisville.
 

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Is Grantham someone who would succeed at ND? Seems like he has UL playing like men possessed right now.

SUP Cack.

Yea. I think his firebrand personality is pretty universally applicable, and I don't see anything he is doing that he couldn't do at ND. If ND hires him, I'm taking a life insurance policy out on him though...dude is about to pop something.
 
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