Brian Kelly's Bad In-Game Coaching

[pkt77242]

If Kelly left (we shouldn't fire him) I wouldn't mind Jim McElwain as the next head coach.

 

[Irish2155]

His one mistake.... we're 1-3 our last 4 with a win over Navy. He's pretty clearly making mistakes left and right.

People can say these turnovers are on the players and not the coaches fault, but shit like this doesn't happen to well-coached teams.

Should/probably could have lost against them too.

We just turn the ball over, all the time. I don't what to say. BK's fault though?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

His one mistake.... we're 1-3 our last 4 with a win over Navy. He's pretty clearly making mistakes left and right.



People can say these turnovers are on the players and not the coaches fault, but shit like this doesn't happen to well-coached teams.

Agree


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[anarin]

Should/probably could have lost against them too.

We just turn the ball over, all the time. I don't what to say. BK's fault though?

I guess Alabama isn't well coached, being that they have the exact same number of fumbles lost as ND.

 

[Irish2155]

I guess Alabama isn't well coached, being that they have the exact same number of fumbles lost as ND.

I'm not saying it is BK's fault, asking the question that no one has an answer to? Alabama has the best coach in the country.

They have a much better defense, that is why. One loss vs three. Their defense will force a field goal. Ours just prays that's all we give up.

 

[kmoose]

I guess Alabama isn't well coached, being that they have the exact same number of fumbles lost as ND.

I think it was actually irishfan who made the comment about well coached teams not turning it over like we have been.

 

[anarin]

I'm not saying it is BK's fault, asking the question that no one has an answer to? Alabama has the best coach in the country.

They have a much better defense, that is why. One loss vs three. Their defense will force a field goal. Ours just prays that's all we give up.

I think it was actually irishfan who made the comment about well coached teams not turning it over like we have been.

My bad, I misquoted. It was for Irishfan.

 

[Irish Fam]

I have a hard time blaming Kelly for fumbles, interceptions thrown off lineman's helmets, and missed field goals. What we can blame him for his the AWFUL call to go for two, and the poor clock management at the end of the game.

 

[Calabrese's People]

My thoughts on this team:
I think Coach Kelly thought at the start of the season "AHA finally, I have the pieces at the skill positions to run my attacking/blitz/spread offence" and i think he's been forcing it ever since. I couldnt count the number of times that ive though ' why dont we just simplify things: run a bit, put our guys in matchups where their athleticism can pick up enough yardage, slow things down for EG, then when/if the defence reacts - blow the top off them'.
It just seems like he's forcing EG to make 15-20 yard throws for critical yardage all the time. I really think if Coach was more patient it would help the young defence regroup and get coached up on the sideline as well.
I guess thats the main thing for me. Coach Kelly lacks patience. To use boxing terminology - it seems to me that this team is always just swinging away wildly because they know they've got knockout power - whereas great boxers establish the jab, control the tempo, break down the resistance... then drop the hammer when their opponent starts loosening up to try and change the tone of the match. I think HCKelly needs to talk to OCKelly about his ego overcoming his brain.
If the bubble-screen works, call it all day. if the little dink to Fuller and Carlisle or Koyak is there, call it all day. If TF is hitting 5 every carry, keep calling his number, until they react. The playcalling is just too much ambition and machismo, and not enough brains, right now.. Thats the difference between now and earlier this year (when we were establishing what our capabilities are. OCKelly is trying to push it to the next level but the team isnt ready).

 

[irishfan]

I guess Alabama isn't well coached, being that they have the exact same number of fumbles lost as ND.

We have 23 turnovers. Bama has 14.

I think Golson now has 19 turnovers in the last 7 games. For some reason, I don't think that would fly for Saban.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

We have 23 turnovers. Bama has 14.

I think Golson now has 19 turnovers in the last 7 games. For some reason, I don't think that would fly for Saban.

Meanwhile Ohio State has a freshman QB with only 3 INTs and 4 new O linemen and no vertical threat like a Will Fuller

 

[kmoose]

The one criticism of Kelly that I think is probably most valid, but no one seems to be talking about, is how he is a "system" coach. He has a system, and that is what he knows and runs. He runs it really well, but if some opposing Defensive Coordinator figures it out? We're kind of screwed. I'm not a big fan of system coaches for this reason. But, then again, Holtz was a system guy........... he ran the option and power running. He called about 10 pass plays more, per year, than Woody Hayes. But I think he learned..... especially after Ron Powlus came on board. He still would show and run option, but he pretty much junked his system and moved on. Maybe that is what Kelly has to do. Or maybe he is already doing that, and we are just seeing the slow transition....

 

[IrishinSyria]

The one criticism of Kelly that I think is probably most valid, but no one seems to be talking about, is how he is a "system" coach. He has a system, and that is what he knows and runs. He runs it really well, but if some opposing Defensive Coordinator figures it out? We're kind of screwed. I'm not a big fan of system coaches for this reason. But, then again, Holtz was a system guy........... he ran the option and power running. He called about 10 pass plays more, per year, than Woody Hayes. But I think he learned..... especially after Ron Powlus came on board. He still would show and run option, but he pretty much junked his system and moved on. Maybe that is what Kelly has to do. Or maybe he is already doing that, and we are just seeing the slow transition....

I don't know how accurate this is... the offense looked a lot different with Rees at the Helm then it does with Golson.

Still, I don't necessarily disagree with you. It drives me crazy that we don't have a goal line offense this year. I would love to see a look-back at ND under Kelly that looks at our success rate per-play inside the 5 yard line.

To the untrained eye, it seems like Kelly believes he can out-scheme the basics. The goal line thing is just one example. He has more confidence in his ability to call up an innovative play call (jet sweep, rub route) than he does in his line and RB to get 2-3 yards on a surge.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Rees musta thought kelly sucked in game too, he did audible every play.

 

[IrishLax]

The one criticism of Kelly that I think is probably most valid, but no one seems to be talking about, is how he is a "system" coach. He has a system, and that is what he knows and runs. He runs it really well, but if some opposing Defensive Coordinator figures it out? We're kind of screwed. I'm not a big fan of system coaches for this reason. But, then again, Holtz was a system guy........... he ran the option and power running. He called about 10 pass plays more, per year, than Woody Hayes. But I think he learned..... especially after Ron Powlus came on board. He still would show and run option, but he pretty much junked his system and moved on. Maybe that is what Kelly has to do. Or maybe he is already doing that, and we are just seeing the slow transition....

Offense didn't lose the game. 40 points against one of the nation's worst offense should have you winning comfortably.

 

[kmoose]

Offense didn't lose the game. 40 points against one of the nation's worst offense should have you winning comfortably.

Oh, I know that. I just have been reading all of the piling on about what a terrible coach Brian Kelly is, the last 24 hours, and I was surprised that no one mentioned the system angle.

 

[Irish Fam]

While I agree that the offense didn't lose us the game, four turnovers, including two inside the opponents ten yard line, and one on the final drive where we are killing the clock, is simply unacceptable.

We should have been able to hand the ball off 40-50 times yesterday and won comfortably over what was supposed to be an outmanned Northwestern team with little to no playmakers.

 

[Irish Fam]

The fact our defense cannot get it done against an offense with 0 playmakers and a very basic quarterback is embarrassing.

Not to mention they could have hung 60 on us if their receivers had any interest in catching the ball yesterday too.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The fact our defense cannot get it done against an offense with 0 playmakers and a very basic quarterback is embarrassing.

Not to mention they could have hung 60 on us if their receivers had any interest in catching the ball yesterday too.

TBF, Prater at least is a legitimately talented player. And their QB did play out of his mind yesterday. Maybe it was us, but NU's offense did not look that terrible to me, I have no idea what that team's been up to for the rest of the season.

 

[Redbar]

College football is about a lot more than talent and schemes. There is a huge emotional component to this game and if you refuse to exert your physical advantage, I mean stay after it, insist on it, in favor of trying to out scheme them, then you allow them to physically and emotionally stay in the game particularly when you are prone to shooting yourself in the foot i.e. copious turnovers. Once a team believes it can, then you have ceded the physical advantage and essentially give them the punchers chance.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I think there is something to be said about having a different kicker & punter. One, to save their legs, and two, because the punter can hold as he is used to getting longsnaps from that same longsnapper.

 

[irishff1014]

I think there is something to be said about having a different kicker & punter. One, to save their legs, and two, because the punter can hold as he is used to getting longsnaps from that same longsnapper.

You do make a good point here. I will take it on step further. How that short punt he had go off the side of his foot. No the next time he goes out for a FG he is thinking I can't mess this up I already messed up a punt. The kicker then is play mind games with himself.

 

[NDRock]

It's year five and we have a pass happy HC/OC and an inability to impose our will in the run game, even against inferior opponents. Our defense is a sieve and special teams is inconsistent at best. Feels like Charlie never left.

 

[Irish Fam]

It's year five and we have a pass happy HC/OC and an inability to impose our will in the run game, even against inferior opponents. Our defense is a sieve and special teams is inconsistent at best. Feels like Charlie never left.

This I just simply cannot agree with.

I am not giving Kelly a pass, but this program is light years ahead of where Charlie had it.

 

[scUM Hater]

This I just simply cannot agree with.

I am not giving Kelly a pass, but this program is light years ahead of where Charlie had it.

Ahh, someone speaks some sense.

 

[irishff1014]

Come on guys the Offense isn't the exact problem other then the turnovers. We just need Kelly to understand that he doesn't need to have 50/50 game plan. It is ok that we run the ball more. He is just a very strange play caller.

 

[BobD]

This thread is laughable imo. BK is our guy.

 

[Irishnuke]

This thread is laughable imo. BK is our guy.

Yep. He's not getting fired. Get real guys. He did fuck up big time though.

 

[connor_in]

This thread is laughable imo. BK is our guy.

WTF are you talking about dude? Yeah, we were in the national championship playoff conversation just a few weeks ago. Yeah we should have walked out of FSU's stadium with a win over the #2 team. Yeah, our QB was in the Heisman Trophy conversation just a couple weeks ago. But obviously this BK guy has no f*cking idea what he is doing. How he got the job in the first place and into the NC game during his tenure here is just pure luck. Fire his a$$ and bring in someone who wants the job like Weis or that UF guy or maybe even try for Hoke if we're lucky.

What ND needs is an infallible coach who will bring in 5 * infallible players.

 

[IrishLax]

This thread is laughable imo. BK is our guy.

Thread actually started just as a discussion of whether he had too much on his plate calling plays and everything... and it has now snow balled.