Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[IrishLax]

ND has allowed 19 sacks this year in just 7 games. It was 13 total in the 2012 NC season and again last year.

In losses => 4 (Stanford), 5 (NCS), 3 (Duke), 2 (MSU), and 3 (Texas)
In Wins => 2 (Syracuse), 0 (Nevada)

Does Kizer hold onto the ball too long? Yes.
Do the plays take too long to develop? Don't think so, doesn't seem to throw in rhythm.
Are the plays too predictable allowing an aggressive rush? Not sure about this, but Stanford was squatting on a few passing routes last night.
Combination of the above? I think it's mostly Kizer holding the ball too long and being bad at escaping the pocket.

Either way, it seems a factor, especially since many of these sacks seem to come late in these one-score games.

My thoughts above.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm telling you guys............ we want Jim Tressel. The guy made a huge mistake and lied on an affidavit, but look how many former players came out in defense of the guy. And he's paid his price, per the NCAA. He can obviously coach, at both the D-IAA AND the highest levels of D-IA big boy football. He's got the "political" savvy that an ND coach needs. You don't think he earned the nickname "The Senator" because he is awkward with boosters, the media, school administrators, and fans, do you?

He would be absolute gold on IE, because people would be on here crying and moaning about how boring his offense is, while we just keep winning week after week after week after week after....

You get the idea.

kmoose I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

 

[NDinBoston]

My thoughts above.

Thanks, yeah I agree it seems Kizer holds onto the ball too long. This isn't new so why can't it be fixed? I have to believe that Kelly, Denbrock, and Sanford have all addressed it. Just doesn't make sense.

 

[tussin]

Age is the only concern with Tressel.

 

[NDinBoston]

Top defenses by yards per play:
1. Michigan
2. OSU
4. Baylor - interesting
5. Clemson
8. Alabama
10. Washington
13. Louisville
28. Wisconsin
65. Notre Dame

2015 ND (#64)
2012 ND (#17)

Hopefully there will be continued progress this year and the combined experience this year and new DC can get them to a Top 25 defense next year.

 

[kmoose]

Age is the only concern with Tressel.

Why is age a concern?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Can we get someone to photoshop a ND sweater vest on Tressel?

 

[tussin]

Why is age a concern?

I mean it's not really, just a personal opinion. I can't think of a precedent where someone of Tressel's age was hired and turned a program into a national title contender.

 

[Rack Em]

I want Donald Trump to start tweeting about Brian Kelly.

"Brian Kelly is a loser! People tell me all the time! We must stop Smelly Kelly from being the leader of our team!"

"Kelly supports Crooked Hillary! They're both untrustworthy and call terrible game plans! Many, many people agree with Trump!"

 

[gkIrish]

Top defenses by yards per play:
1. Michigan
2. OSU
4. Baylor - interesting
5. Clemson
8. Alabama
10. Washington
13. Louisville
28. Wisconsin
65. Notre Dame

2015 ND (#64)
2012 ND (#17)

Hopefully there will be continued progress this year and the combined experience this year and new DC can get them to a Top 25 defense next year.

Can't forget the NC State game helps those numbers a lot.

 

[mgriff]

I have someone who wants to interject

I don't have a preference for head coach, but I've decided, just now, that I'm gonna be the PJ Fleck pusher. Someone has to do it, so I'll volunteer

 

[NDRock]

Age is the only concern with Tressel.

Hell, we're about to elect a crazy 70 year old to be President.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Interestingly enough, we're the only team in the top 22 without a 5* player. Bama has 17. This team lacks "difference makers", probably why we lose all our close games.

Because there are so many more 5* difference makers on Duke, NCSU, MSU, Texas, Tulsa, Northwestern, Stanford, Louisville, ASU, etc., etc.? We consistently play far below our talent level- and not just this year. That's on the coach.

 

[IrishLax]

Thanks, yeah I agree it seems Kizer holds onto the ball too long. This isn't new so why can't it be fixed? I have to believe that Kelly, Denbrock, and Sanford have all addressed it. Just doesn't make sense.

So, here is my view:
1. Teams are rushing their ends upfield now to set the edge and not let him escape the pocket. I've been seeing that in most games this year. So when Kizer gets to "3 Mississippi" and tries to tuck the ball there is nowhere to escape to.

2A. Why is he holding the ball to "3 Mississippi"? Well, last year he could hold the ball all day with no problem because the line was so good no pressure ever got home even waiting that long and...
2B. He doesn't throw in rhythm, he waits for people to actually beat their man and get open. Even on his really bad interception where he tried to squeeze it in to ESB between 3 defenders he could've completed that pass if he threw it earlier... but because he waited, he had to throw it flat because of the safety coming in over the top, and the CB likewise knew he had help there and undcercut the route.
2C. He doesn't look to the check down until it's too late and they're covered. The check down is what you're supposed to hit at "2 Mississippi" if your other routes look covered.

3. He does a bad job pre-snap diagnosing who is going to be open. On second down in the Stanford red zone when he takes a horrible sack, Josh Adams is immediately open for a dump off. He's going to gain a huge chunk of yards if Kizer just immediately tosses it to him... he never looks his way and takes a sack. He's too often looking/waiting for something to come open that isn't open and missing where the play should go. This is what the great QBs (Manning, Brady, etc.) all do so well... know where to go with the ball, and get there fast.

I think the only answer at this point is to take the load off Kizer's plate and given him single-read plays. "Throw it to this guy, if it isn't open move immediately to your checkdown here... if that isn't open, tuck and run upfield." Because he's clearly incapable of running the offense how everyone thought he could.

 

[kmoose]

I mean it's not really, just a personal opinion. I can't think of a precedent where someone of Tressel's age was hired and turned a program into a national title contender.

I can't either. But I think that is more because teams on the cusp don't tend to change coaches.

 

[NDRock]

Because there are so many more 5* difference makers on Duke, NCSU, MSU, Texas, Tulsa, Northwestern, Stanford, Louisville, ASU, etc., etc.? We consistently play far below our talent level- and not just this year. That's on the coach.

At this point it really doesn't matter if the issue is a recruiting problem as Kelly recruited every kid on the roster. It does point to the fact that we probably don't have the "elite" talent like some think we do.

 

[NDinBoston]

So, here is my view:
1. Teams are rushing their ends upfield now to set the edge and not let him escape the pocket. I've been seeing that in most games this year. So when Kizer gets to "3 Mississippi" and tries to tuck the ball there is nowhere to escape to.

2A. Why is he holding the ball to "3 Mississippi"? Well, last year he could hold the ball all day with no problem because the line was so good no pressure ever got home even waiting that long and...
2B. He doesn't throw in rhythm, he waits for people to actually beat their man and get open. Even on his really bad interception where he tried to squeeze it in to ESB between 3 defenders he could've completed that pass if he threw it earlier... but because he waited, he had to throw it flat because of the safety coming in over the top, and the CB likewise knew he had help there and undcercut the route.
2C. He doesn't look to the check down until it's too late and they're covered. The check down is what you're supposed to hit at "2 Mississippi" if your other routes look covered.

3. He does a bad job pre-snap diagnosing who is going to be open. On second down in the Stanford red zone when he takes a horrible sack, Josh Adams is immediately open for a dump off. He's going to gain a huge chunk of yards if Kizer just immediately tosses it to him... he never looks his way and takes a sack. He's too often looking/waiting for something to come open that isn't open and missing where the play should go. This is what the great QBs (Manning, Brady, etc.) all do so well... know where to go with the ball, and get there fast.

I think the only answer at this point is to take the load off Kizer's plate and given him single-read plays. "Throw it to this guy, if it isn't open move immediately to your checkdown here... if that isn't open, tuck and run upfield." Because he's clearly incapable of running the offense how everyone thought he could.

Awesome post thanks!

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think the only answer at this point is to take the load off Kizer's plate and given him single-read plays. "Throw it to this guy, if it isn't open move immediately to your checkdown here... if that isn't open, tuck and run upfield." Because he's clearly incapable of running the offense how everyone thought he could.

The thing is on the broadcast last night they mentioned Kizer went to Kelly and asked for more control in the plays and Kelly allowed him to call more plays himself. If that actually happened then Kelly actually did the opposite of what may need to happen.

 

[NDinBoston]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Likes don't = endorsements. We're committed to this team and these coaches. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/goirish?src=hash">#goirish</a></p>— Jerry Tillery (@JerryTillery) <a href="https://twitter.com/JerryTillery/status/787688687618387971">October 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Hmm, prompted or genuine?

 

[Irish Insanity]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Likes don't = endorsements. We're committed to this team and these coaches. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/goirish?src=hash">#goirish</a></p>— Jerry Tillery (@JerryTillery) <a href="https://twitter.com/JerryTillery/status/787688687618387971">October 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Hmm, prompted or genuine?

Caught with his pants down and trying to get them up as fast as he can

 

[NDgradstudent]

At this point it really doesn't matter if the issue is a recruiting problem as Kelly recruited every kid on the roster. It does point to the fact that we probably don't have the "elite" talent like some think we do.

Nor do OSU and Michigan this year. They are doing okay. Coaching, coaching, coaching.

We don't have as much elite talent as Bama, USC, etc., but we are still 9th on the list. Are we 9th or higher in the polls right now? How many times have we finished in the top 10 under Kelly?

If our only losses under Kelly were to Bama, OSU, FSU, and Clemson, then I wouldn't be calling for Kelly's job.

 

[IrishLax]

I mean, he's not wrong. I "like" or "retweet" stuff all the time because I think it's outrageous or funny or wrong or whatever...

 

[NDRock]

Caught with his pants down and trying to get them up as fast as he can

Didn't Kelly "like" a tweet about firing BVG? As a 40 year old, who gives a shit about Twitter.

 

[bkess8]

Didn't Kelly "like" a tweet about firing BVG? As a 40 year old, who gives a shit about Twitter.

Twitter make the world go round fam!

 

[NDRock]

Nor do OSU and Michigan this year. They are doing okay. Coaching, coaching, coaching.

We don't have as much elite talent as Bama, USC, etc., but we are still 9th on the list. Are we 9th or higher in the polls right now? How many times have we finished in the top 10 under Kelly?

If our only losses under Kelly were to Bama, OSU, FSU, and Clemson, then this would not be a problem.

I'm not sure who you're arguing with. Nobody is saying Kelly is doing a good job.

 

[IrishLax]

The thing is on the broadcast last night they mentioned Kizer went to Kelly and asked for more control in the plays and Kelly allowed him to call more plays himself. If that actually happened then Kelly actually did the opposite of what may need to happen.

Yup, that's how I see it. Kizer is trying to be Peyton Manning. He's not Peyton fucking Manning. He's basically Jay Cutler right now.

He's asking to run the show when all the success we've had was with Denbrock/Sanford scheming up great gameplans. He's trying to do too much, and that's why he's regressing. That's why he's holding the ball too long and making negative plays.

 

[NDRock]

Yup, that's how I see it. Kizer is trying to be Peyton Manning. He's not Peyton fucking Manning. He's basically Jay Cutler right now.

He's asking to run the show when all the success we've had was with Denbrock/Sanford scheming up great gameplans. He's trying to do too much, and that's why he's regressing. That's why he's holding the ball too long and making negative plays.

When people tell you you're the #1 pick, you probably try to start playing like it. I agree that he's trying to do too much.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Can we get someone to photoshop a ND sweater vest on Tressel?

 

[NDgradstudent]

I'm not sure who you're arguing with. Nobody is saying Kelly is doing a good job.

I'm arguing with the considerable portion of the fanbase that believes it is "impossible to win at ND" because of the academic restrictions which result in less talent. That's simply not true.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Looks perfect