Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Sherm Sticky]

Yet ND gets better recruiting classes than 90+% of the country. So difficult to get in yet every year, ND gets the players. They just don't produce. ND puts players in the pros comparable to the top 5 schools the past five years. Don't say we aren't getting talent. It is 100% on the coaching staff.

ND does get talent. But ND is not in the league as Bama, LSU, OSU, FSU, Georgia, USC, etc


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[military_irish]

Yet ND gets better recruiting classes than 90+% of the country. So difficult to get in yet every year, ND gets the players. They just don't produce. ND puts players in the pros comparable to the top 5 schools the past five years. Don't say we aren't getting talent. It is 100% on the coaching staff.

Makes you wonder. Yes ND certainly gets the talent but how much of the pressure to pass their courses feeds into their play on Saturdays. Just look at the success of a lot of alums in the NFL. Who do not have to worry about the rigorous curriculum on a day to day basis.

Weve seeen many talented players suspended due to different academic issues. Frozen five, Golson, Darrin Walls, Alize, and I am sure many more. Imagine if they were catered and coached to take the "easy" course and just focus on football. Might have different results.

Just my theory but I am also someone that preaches education over everything. Just makes you wonder how much of that stress makes its way to the field.

 

[NDgradstudent]

ND does get talent. But ND is not in the league as Bama, LSU, OSU, FSU, Georgia, USC, etc

And that explains why we lose to MSU, Stanford, Northwestern, etc., etc.?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

And that explains why we lose to MSU, Stanford, Northwestern, etc., etc.?

Stanford gets talent also, just a small notch below Notre Dame. But dare I say David Shaw is a better coach than Kelly. Or dare I say it is difficult to get into Stanford, but once in the classes for athletes or not as difficult as the general student body.


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[NDgradstudent]

Go after Herman, hard. It's time to move on.

 

[Bishop2b5]

If Les Miles gets fired, would you want Notre Dame to hire him?

OK, it's been a bad day for ND football and I know you're frustrated, but put the gun down. Slowly. Step away from it. You've got a lot to live for.

Don't even joke about hiring Les. You think BK's offense is predictable and outdated most of the time? You'd sell your soul to have him and his O back after one season with Les at the helm.

 

[ulukinatme]

Just heard Gruden is coming

We need a defense. Get that figured out, we can be a good team. We don't have the best players, but we certainly have talent. We should be able to produce better than we currently are. Kelly doesn't need to go anywhere, just nuke the necessary defensive coaches and pay some proven guys the right pocket change to bring them here.

 

[GBdomer]

6-19 vs top 25 teams while he's been at ND

 

[ulukinatme]

6-19 vs top 25 teams while he's been at ND

Is this teams that finished in the Top 25, or teams that were ranked in the Top 25 at the time we played them? If it's the later, it's 11-24...which is somewhat more forgiving but not great.

 

[PLACforever]

Clean house now while we have a forgiving 3 game stretch upcoming

 

[dmort]

For now firing BVG is probably going to happen Monday.A complete overhaul will have to wait until the end of the season.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Is this teams that finished in the Top 25, or teams that were ranked in the Top 25 at the time we played them? If it's the later, it's 11-24...which is somewhat more forgiving but not great.

Not really. That's still 1 win for ever 2+ losses to ranked teams. For a program of ND's caliber that is downright unacceptable.

 

[Cackalacky]

I have been on the Fire BVG bus since early into last years preseason. I was also highly suspect of how good a coach BK actually is. I am not any more. BK is not the man to take ND above a 9-3/8-4 team perinnially. He has a terrible record against power 5 teams, struggles with in game adjustments as a HC ( not an OC) etc etc. But with everyone saying he needs to be fired and the typical response being who would be able to do better than him.... I can't but keep thinking about the post ND success of Former ND HC who have taken the ND job and left or been fired. Not one that I can think of who has taken the HC job at ND, has left and gone on to national success elsewhere. I am even looking as far back as Ara. With that track record ..... Is ND a retirement home for a HC? If so what young up and comer would take that chance of possibly ruining their career?

 

[Cackalacky]

Is this teams that finished in the Top 25, or teams that were ranked in the Top 25 at the time we played them? If it's the later, it's 11-24...which is somewhat more forgiving but not great.

That is still awful. As many ranked teams as ND plays each year, many of which are our perennial rivals, ND has to be far superior than that.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I have been on the Fire BVG bus since early into last years preseason. I was also highly suspect of how good a coach BK actually is. I am not any more. BK is not the man to take ND above a 9-3 &-4 team perinnially. He has a terrible record against power 5 teams, struggles with in game adjustments as a HC ( not an OC) etc etc. But with everyone saying he needs to be fired and the typical response being who would be able to do better than him.... I can't but keep thinking about the post ND success of Former ND HC who have taken the ND job and left or been fired. Not one that I can think of who has taken the HC job at ND, has left and gone on to national success elsewhere. I am even looking as far back as Ara. With that track record ..... Is ND a retirement home for a HC? If so what young up and comer would take that chance of possibly ruining their career?

That's nothing more than a coincidence. Coaches face the same risk at other major schools. A lot of them don't succeed and either go on to another opportunity and make what they can or fade into obscurity, mostly the latter.

Tell me, where's Mike Shula right now? What about Chan Galey? Dave Wannstedt? Derek Dooley? John L Smith? Bill Callahan?

Redemption stories are simply few and far between no matter where you go, so why should ND deter coaches any more than Florida, Nebraska, Tennessee, Alabama, etc?

 

[irishff1014]

Academic standard is the legit. The recruiting pool for Notre Dame is smaller than the majority FBS peg rams. I've mentioned it a million times, but the reason Urban didn't accept the ND is because he he administration would not budge on the number of academic allowances he wanted. Truth be told Lou Holtz received a large number of allowances, which is the major reason he was successful. Brain Kelly has more than Weis, but less than Holtz.

Yes. I think we all acknowledge Dantonio is a better coach.


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We still have enough talent to be better than this. This equals bad coaching and and not being prepared.

 

[irishff1014]

Makes you wonder. Yes ND certainly gets the talent but how much of the pressure to pass their courses feeds into their play on Saturdays. Just look at the success of a lot of alums in the NFL. Who do not have to worry about the rigorous curriculum on a day to day basis.

Weve seeen many talented players suspended due to different academic issues. Frozen five, Golson, Darrin Walls, Alize, and I am sure many more. Imagine if they were catered and coached to take the "easy" course and just focus on football. Might have different results.

Just my theory but I am also someone that preaches education over everything. Just makes you wonder how much of that stress makes its way to the field.

They signed up for this and knew what was expected of them. ND holds them accountable for being slack in the class room.

 

[Crazy Balki]

They signed up for this and knew what was expected of them. ND holds them accountable for being slack in the class room.

I signed up for college, but I sure as hell struggled to keep my life in balance. Now I was a commuter student, so I had my own unique hurdles, but a student athlete has to dedicate half his time to study and half to football, that sounds downright relentless.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Is this teams that finished in the Top 25, or teams that were ranked in the Top 25 at the time we played them? If it's the later, it's 11-24...which is somewhat more forgiving but not great.

6-18 vs teams that finish in the AP top 25. Obviously it will be 6-19 if MSU finishes in the top 25.

 

[arahop]

ND does get talent. But ND is not in the league as Bama, LSU, OSU, FSU, Georgia, USC, etc


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The data from players drafted from ND and composite recruiting rankings disprove your statement. Kelly isn't performing up to the talent that is coming to ND. I'm not saying kelly is horrible. He is a 8-10 win coach with talent that should be a baseline of 10 wins.

 

[IrishLax]

Who would you fire Kelly for today?

For me it's Herman, Chris Peterson, Gary Patterson, Petrino (fuck ethics), Chip Kelly, Bill O'Brien, and whoever the fuck is in charge of North Dakota State. Can we get any of those guys?

The truth is Kelly failed as a program builder by not demanding more of the defensive staff on the recruiting trail. Recruiting failures + coaching failures == one of the worst defenses in ND history. He should've seen this coming two years out and done much more to fix it. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, etc. never would've let this happen.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Who would you fire Kelly for today?

For me it's Herman, Chris Peterson, Gary Patterson, Petrino (fuck ethics), Chip Kelly, Bill O'Brien, and whoever the fuck is in charge of North Dakota State. Can we get any of those guys?

The truth is Kelly failed as a program builder by not demanding more of the defensive staff on the recruiting trail. Recruiting failures + coaching failures == one of the worst defenses in ND history. He should've seen this coming two years out and done much more to fix it. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, etc. never would've let this happen.

Patterson, Kelly and O'Brien are not leaving their current jobs. I like Petrino, but let's face it the administration would never higher him.

An elite up and coming coach like Herman would never pick Notre Dame. It's much easier to win at schools like LSU and USC.


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[irishff1014]

Unfortunately Lax we are no in the same position we were with CW and now we have a ton of money owed to Kelly. I don't see them doing that again but I would like to start with a new group.

Also there could be a lot of coordinators that could be head coaches. Look at dabo,Herman,Jimbo those guys were good coordinators and have been good head coaches. Not saying I want them just giving examples.

 

[IrishLax]

We should just hire Briles and start rooting for the Death Star. Get Tosh as our DC for some Grade A recruiting violations.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

We should just hire Briles and start rooting for the Death Star. Get Tosh as our DC for some Grade A recruiting violations.

Lol. Can Butch Davis join the staff also?


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[IrishLax]

Lol. Can Butch Davis join the staff also?


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Here is my full "dark side" coaching staff:

HC: Briles

OC: Kiffin
OL: "Uncle" Klemm
WR: Trooper Taylor
RB: Todd McNair

DC: Jim Tressell
DL: Bo Davis
LB: Tosh Lupoi
DB: Kerry Coombs

We would have the #1 recruiting class every year. And free tats.

 

[DCirishfan]

Here is my full "dark side" coaching staff:

HC: Briles

OC: Kiffin
OL: "Uncle" Klemm
WR: Trooper Taylor
RB: Todd McNair

DC: Jim Tressell
DL: Bo Davis
LB: Tosh Lupoi
DB: Kerry Coombs

We would have the #1 recruiting class every year. And free tats.

Lol

 

[GBdomer]

I also enjoy when Kelly preaches mental and physical toughness yet we are the softest team in the country in year seven. No culture in this program, it's a hot mess of shit and last night just all ran down his leg. There is one dog on this team and he didn't play for two years over a 5'9 220 Mike LB

 

[Downinthebend]

I also enjoy when Kelly preaches mental and physical toughness yet we are the softest team in the country in year seven. No culture in this program, it's a hot mess of shit and last night just all ran down his leg. There is one dog on this team and he didn't play for two years over a 5'9 220 Mike LB

In our previous games we were tough as nails, look at this https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvFI28CIIB0-FekBd1pZZlJNliJD_GmAB

We didnt run that play once yesteday.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Who would you fire Kelly for today?

For me it's Herman, Chris Peterson, Gary Patterson, Petrino (fuck ethics), Chip Kelly, Bill O'Brien, and whoever the fuck is in charge of North Dakota State. Can we get any of those guys?

The truth is Kelly failed as a program builder by not demanding more of the defensive staff on the recruiting trail. Recruiting failures + coaching failures == one of the worst defenses in ND history. He should've seen this coming two years out and done much more to fix it. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, etc. never would've let this happen.

No one.

I would fire Kelly as soon as he fired BVG, and then make Denbrock or Stanford, or Denbrock and Stanford interim coaches.

Then I would think about how bad I want to win.

If I had a way of getting it done, I would make it known.

If ND is going in the direction of providing more autonomy for the program from the University, now is the time to decide.

If the university just offered the program a little, and could make sure we kept the real crazies out, I think word would get out. And I think we would have guys like Hermann beating the door down.

Saban and Meyer both wanted to coach in South Bend, but they weren't okay with the restrictions.

Ironically enough I don't think standards need to be lowered to let criminals in, just certain other things need to be relaxed, like Stanford has done, say.