Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[kmoose]

And yet Stanford pulls it off. That's the problem with saying our academics are too tough, another school is getting it done.

It's been well documented that Stanford has/had an academic track that was specifically designed for athletes. It included a ton of self study courses that only required a paper turned in at the end of the term, if I remember correctly. Stanford is a good school, but its athletes are not "getting it done" like ND's are.

A drama class in “Beginning Improvising” and another in “Social Dances of North America III” were among dozens of classes on a closely guarded quarterly list distributed only to Stanford athletes to help them choose classes.
Stanford officials said the list was designed to accommodate athletes’ demanding schedules and disputed that the list was made up of easy courses. Officials discontinued the list last week after student reporters working for California Watch began asking about it.
The list, which has existed at least since 2001, was widely regarded by athletes as an easy class list. More than a quarter of the courses on the list did not fulfill university general education requirements.

 

[irishff1014]

It's been well documented that Stanford has/had an academic track that was specifically designed for athletes. It included a ton of self study courses that only required a paper turned in at the end of the term, if I remember correctly. Stanford is a good school, but its athletes are not "getting it done" like ND's are.

If you don't think ND athletes get special treatment and course load you a full of shit.

 

[NDRock]

It's been well documented that Stanford has/had an academic track that was specifically designed for athletes. It included a ton of self study courses that only required a paper turned in at the end of the term, if I remember correctly. Stanford is a good school, but its athletes are not "getting it done" like ND's are.

Do you believe there are no "easy" classes at ND that athletes take?

 

[kmoose]

Do you believe there are no "easy" classes at ND that athletes take?

I believe that the fucking Administration doesn't provide athletes with a list of easy classes, so that they can tailor their academic load to concentrate solely on football. And I damn well know that the Administration would not then DEFEND providing that list to athletes.

 

[kmoose]

If you don't think ND athletes get special treatment and course load you a full of shit.

Getting preference in enrolling in classes so that certain blocks of time are left open for athletics practice is not the same as being provided with a list of classes that are well known for being easy.

 

[NDohio]

And yet Stanford pulls it off. That's the problem with saying our academics are too tough, another school is getting it done.

How is Stanford's football success better than Notre Dame's football success?

Have they made the playoffs?

Have they played for a national championship?

 

[kmoose]

How is Stanford's football success better than Notre Dame's football success?

Have they made the playoffs?

Have they played for a national championship?

Stanford has been demonstrably more successful than ND, in Kelly's time here. Stanford is 66-15 in that time, with 10+ win seasons, while ND is 55-23, with only 2 10+ win seasons. But the academic situations are not even comparable.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

I agree with those that say BK has reached his ceiling and will never win a title at ND. He has brought the program to another level but we would need a different coach to take things further and become a consistent playoff/title contender.

I also agree that at the moment there is no realistic option better than BK. We could take a risk on an unproven guy and hope we hit a homerun, but more likely we strikeout. A real issue is that we need to make a change when other major programs do not also have an opening. Lets say at the end of the year USC, LSU, etc have openings if there is an elite HC available they are choosing to coach at one of those schools not ND.

Its a very tough position. The best thing is to put up with BK as long as he can get to 9-3 or better most years and hope when we have another hire to make we strike gold.

 

[NDohio]

Stanford has been demonstrably more successful than ND, in Kelly's time here. Stanford is 66-15 in that time, with 10+ win seasons, while ND is 55-23, with only 2 10+ win seasons. But the academic situations are not even comparable.

But most of the people doing the complaining about BK are in the "playoffs or bust" camp. They can say they would be happier with Stanford's success but not really.

 

[Blaise]

But most of the people doing the complaining about BK are in the "playoffs or bust" camp. They can say they would be happier with Stanford's success but not really.

I was just going to say this.. We won 10 games last year and people were mad.... All off season I have heard "10-2" isn't good enough.. Well that is how Stanford rolls... They have never played in a BCS title game.. They have never made the playoffs... Stanford wins more bowls games but for most part they are mirror images of our program.. Top 15, but not elite...

LSU is going to fire Les... If Herman has a choice between LSU or ND, he chooses LSU without thinking twice.. If you disagree you are a homer

 

[kmoose]

But most of the people doing the complaining about BK are in the "playoffs or bust" camp. They can say they would be happier with Stanford's success but not really.

Most of the people doing the complaining about BK wouldn't be happy if they woke up tomorrow with $1Billion in the bank, a 13-0 ND playing Navy in the NCG, and Kate Upton lying nekkid next to them.............

 

[Classic Irish]

Suggest a legit candidate that is going to come to ND, deal with everything that job entails, and is going to do a better job. Don't even bother mentioning Urban or Saban, because that's just silly.

Also, that question was rhetorical. There isn't anyone better for the job at this time that is going to come here.

^^^^^^^^This.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

But most of the people doing the complaining about BK are in the "playoffs or bust" camp. They can say they would be happier with Stanford's success but not really.

Stanford has the Pac 12 championship to strive for after they drop one or two early.
When they're 10-3 with a conference championship it gives the appearance of a more successful season than Notre Dame at 9-3.

Maybe it's time to join the ACC?

 

[NDohio]

Stanford has the Pac 12 championship to strive for after they drop one or two early.
When they're 10-3 with a conference championship it gives the appearance of a more successful season than Notre Dame at 9-3.

Maybe it's time to join the ACC?

I am one of the biggest proponents of this.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I am one of the biggest proponents of this.

Easier schedule, way better chance of making it to the playoffs, but potentially at the cost of losing our national identity?

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Biggest mistake ND made was not giving urban the job and allowing him his academic passes to recruit players. We would have 2 titles by now. Why not be like every other school and give passes no we gotta be different well different isn't gonna cut it winning a title.

 

[dang227]

Easier schedule, way better chance of making it to the playoffs, but potentially at the cost of losing our national identity?

I always hear this but doesn't OSU, Michigan, Bama have national identities and they are in conferences?


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[Kingbish01]

BK isn't going anywhere unless he chooses too. How many of these fire BK threads do we have to see? Now BVG, that's another story. I really thought his D would take a huge step forward. It hasn't, and you can't let an offense score 47 points in Austin in front of 102 thousand people and the team take a loss. I'd bet BVG is done after this year unless he fixes things fast.

 

[DCirishfan]

But most of the people doing the complaining about BK are in the "playoffs or bust" camp. They can say they would be happier with Stanford's success but not really.

Who has had the better Bowl wins? Here's a hint it's not Kelly

 

[DCirishfan]

BK isn't going anywhere unless he chooses too. How many of these fire BK threads do we have to see? Now BVG, that's another story. I really thought his D would take a huge step forward. It hasn't, and you can't let an offense score 47 points in Austin in front of 102 thousand people and the team take a loss. I'd bet BVG is done after this year unless he fixes things fast.

You're wrong if he doesn't perform to a certain standard he will be fired just like any coach this is not Vince Lombardi this is Brian Kelly.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Easier schedule, way better chance of making it to the playoffs, but potentially at the cost of losing our national identity?

At this point, I think we are the only ones who see independence as part of our national identity.

I always hear this but doesn't OSU, Michigan, Bama have national identities and they are in conferences?


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And most of their rosters wouldn't qualify for ND. And half of their players I wouldn't want around the program.

 

[Kingbish01]

You're wrong if he doesn't perform to a certain standard he will be fired just like any coach this is not Vince Lombardi this is Brian Kelly.

I think ND learned their lesson between 97-09. I'd be willing to bet a testicle he won't be fired. We all get salty after a loss, I get it. But when we are 5-1 ranked between 8 and 12 heading into the Stanford game all will be well again. Defense has always killed ND, and always will. BK can put up points, he just needs to make much needed changes. He's great for ND and if you think we could get a better Coach I'd love to hear some names.

 

[Cali_domer]

I think ND learned their lesson between 97-09. I'd be willing to bet a testicle he won't be fired. We all get salty after a loss, I get it. But when we are 5-1 ranked between 8 and 12 heading into the Stanford game all will be well again. Defense has always killed ND, and always will. BK can put up points, he just needs to make much needed changes. He's great for ND and if you think we could get a better Coach I'd love to hear some names.

You believe with our defense this is happening?

 

[Kingbish01]

You believe with our defense this is happening?

Yes. Mich St doesn't scare me at all. I'm not even writing this season off. Schedule sets up nice for us. Are we going to win a natty. Prob not, but I can see a 2 loss season. OSU lost to VA Tech week one in 14 and went on to win a title, so losing week one is not the end of the world with the new format.

 

[irishff1014]

I think ND learned their lesson between 97-09. I'd be willing to bet a testicle he won't be fired. We all get salty after a loss, I get it. But when we are 5-1 ranked between 8 and 12 heading into the Stanford game all will be well again. Defense has always killed ND, and always will. BK can put up points, he just needs to make much needed changes. He's great for ND and if you think we could get a better Coach I'd love to hear some names.

The only game that is quality opponent is MSU. I sure hope we will be close to 5-1 but we won't be ranked 8-12. Depending on how the defense plays against Nevada we could give up a ton of points.

 

[Cali_domer]

Yes. Mich St doesn't scare me at all. I'm not even writing this season off. Schedule sets up nice for us. Are we going to win a natty. Prob not, but I can see a 2 loss season. OSU lost to VA Tech week one in 14 and went on to win a title, so losing week one is not the end of the world with the new format.

I bet before the Texas game you would have said the same thing. We will lose at least 4 games this year.

 

[irishff1014]

Yes. Mich St doesn't scare me at all. I'm not even writing this season off. Schedule sets up nice for us. Are we going to win a natty. Prob not, but I can see a 2 loss season. OSU lost to VA Tech week one in 14 and went on to win a title, so losing week one is not the end of the world with the new format.

Texas didn't scare us either. And they made ND look silly. We won't only lose one game so you need to get that out of your head now.

 

[philipm31]

I bet we don't land Herman. My money says he goes to USC, LSU, or some other program where he isn't asked to deal with the academics and ND discipline system.

He could go to LSU but I doubt it. Helton is the coach at USC for a while. Herman would come here in a heartbeat.

So would a majority of coaches, including many coaches on par or rising in the coaching ranks.

2012 was the best we will be ever be under Kelly. He has more talent on both sides of the ball than he had then and we are still underachieving at a level which should make people wonder, at the very least, when we get rid of him, or he quits, because there needs to be a plan for that evenutality, which could be sooner than many would like but it is inevitable.

 

[irishff1014]

Stanford has the Pac 12 championship to strive for after they drop one or two early.
When they're 10-3 with a conference championship it gives the appearance of a more successful season than Notre Dame at 9-3.

Maybe it's time to join the ACC?

Big 12 no defense lol

 

[NDRock]

It's been well documented that Stanford has/had an academic track that was specifically designed for athletes. It included a ton of self study courses that only required a paper turned in at the end of the term, if I remember correctly. Stanford is a good school, but its athletes are not "getting it done" like ND's are.

I believe that the fucking Administration doesn't provide athletes with a list of easy classes, so that they can tailor their academic load to concentrate solely on football. And I damn well know that the Administration would not then DEFEND providing that list to athletes.

I agree. That doesn't mean there aren't those classes that all the athletes know about and are told about (by other athletes, coaches, etc.).