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They didn't "roll" them. They were up 1 possession at the half and then only a late FG put them up by more than two possessions.

I don't get why everyone keeps acting like inconsistency is a Notre Dame problem. It happens across college football. Auburn almost lost to Jacksonville st. Last year, OSU lost to VT. This is big boy football and teams randomly get up against certain opponents.

Wrong. UCLA was up 34-9 in the 4th before a late TD for UVA put the score at 34-16. Idk what game you saw, but UVA didn't have a chance once the second half started. That to me is good enough to label "rolls." Maybe your definition is different. That's fine. We can agree to disagree with that particular statement.

You're pointing out the outliers that I specifically mentioned in my post. Yes, it's hard to win in college football. Yes, it's hard to be consistent. Yes, every team has it's moments. But with ND, they're not outliers. They are the rule. You constantly hear "ND always gets their opponents best shot." "It's a rivalry." "It's Team-X Super Bowl when they play ND." And so on. The result is usually (not always) the same. ND plays down to their lesser opponent and doesn't pull away until late in the 4th, or squeaks by, or wins late, etc. That inconsistency does not happen everywhere, all the time to the truly elite teams. I underline that because it's important. I want ND to be one of the truly elite teams. It's yet to happen and for me personally, that's what this thread is about. Not just the UVA game.
 
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Wrong. UCLA was up 34-9 in the 4th before a late TD for UVA put the score at 34-16. Idk what game you saw, but UVA didn't have a chance once the second half started. That to me is good enough to label "rolls." Maybe your definition is different. That's fine. We can agree to disagree with that particular statement.

For most of the first quarter, UVA was up 3-0. UCLA scored a TD near the end of the 1st. It was 17-9 at half. Then UCLA had a big 3rd quarter with two unanswered TDs. Then in the fourth UVA was unable to capitalize on anything but a late TD.

If that is a "roll" then ND will roll more than half our schedule.

You're pointing out the outliers that I specifically mentioned in my post. Yes, it's hard to win in college football. Yes, it's hard to be consistent. Yes, every team has it's moments. But with ND, they're not outliers. They are the rule. You constantly hear "ND always gets their opponents best shot." "It's a rivalry." "It's Team-X Super Bowl when they play ND." And so on. The result is usually (not always) the same. ND plays down to their lesser opponent and doesn't pull away until late in the 4th, or squeaks by, or wins late, etc. [U]That inconsistency does not happen every where to the truly elite teams. [/U] I underline that because it's important. I want ND to be one of the truly elite teams. It's yet to happen and for me personally, that's what this thread is about. Not just the UVA game.

As I said before, it happened to the National Champs OSU last year at home against VT. It has happened to several teams (Auburn, Ark, etc) already this season. It's simply incorrect to say that "elite teams don't ever have close games against lesser opponents".

Hell... WMU hung with MSU for most of the game in week 1.
 

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As I said before, it happened to the National Champs OSU last year at home against VT. It has happened to several teams (Auburn, Ark, etc) already this season. It's simply incorrect to say that "elite teams don't ever have close games against lesser opponents".

Hell... WMU hung with MSU for most of the game in week 1.

Yeah, the only reason we say "it doesn't happen to other teams" is because we don't follow other teams. It happens to teams like USC, Georgia, Florida State and Ohio State every single year.
 

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For most of the first quarter, UVA was up 3-0. UCLA scored a TD near the end of the 1st. It was 17-9 at half. Then UCLA had a big 3rd quarter with two unanswered TDs. Then in the fourth UVA was unable to capitalize on anything but a late TD.

If that is a "roll" then ND will roll more than half our schedule.

"Roll" for me, is comfortably winning. Again, agree to disagree on the definition.


As I said before, it happened to the National Champs OSU last year at home against VT. It has happened to several teams (Auburn, Ark, etc) already this season. It's simply incorrect to say that "elite teams don't ever have close games against lesser opponents".

Hell... WMU hung with MSU for most of the game in week 1.

That's not what I said so don't quote it to fit your agenda. I said there are outliers. There are times when even the best of the best have an off day and get upset or squeak one out. It happens. I never said "elite teams don't ever have close games..." I said it's not as common for it to happen on a regular basis. It's more the exception.

I'll bow out of this debate until further notice. I'd like to see the season play out before I get too riled up. This team has already demolished a bad TX team so it's not like they completely lack the killer instinct. I'd just like to see it more often when they have the chance.
 

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For most of the first quarter, UVA was up 3-0. UCLA scored a TD near the end of the 1st. It was 17-9 at half. Then UCLA had a big 3rd quarter with two unanswered TDs. Then in the fourth UVA was unable to capitalize on anything but a late TD.

If that is a "roll" then ND will roll more than half our schedule.



As I said before, it happened to the National Champs OSU last year at home against VT. It has happened to several teams (Auburn, Ark, etc) already this season. It's simply incorrect to say that "elite teams don't ever have close games against lesser opponents".

Hell... WMU hung with MSU for most of the game in week 1.

Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.
 

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Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.

This is a bit much...

BK doesn't have control over these injuries. It's football. That stuff happens. It's just really shitty luck.

I think it's a bit early to say ND has no chance against Clemson. Kizer will have played two full games by then. Lets see how he does.
 

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Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.

Geez, man... step off of the ledge... lol

The bolded is complete BS, by the way. Injuries happen for a variety of reasons. Malik didn't get hurt because he was "pushing through something he wasn't prepared for". That's a load of crap. Go watch the most recent "Onward" and tell me that our staff wasn't telling them to expect UVA to give a good game.

Why don't you relax and actually wait until we lose before throwing the towel in?
 

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Geez, man... step off of the ledge... lol

The bolded is complete BS, by the way. Injuries happen for a variety of reasons. Malik didn't get hurt because he was "pushing through something he wasn't prepared for". That's a load of crap. Go watch the most recent "Onward" and tell me that our staff wasn't telling them to expect UVA to give a good game.

Why don't you relax and actually wait until we lose before throwing the towel in?

This is exactly what I wanted to say after reading that post.... TF messed up his knee because he wasn't prepared? Redfield broke his thumb because he wasn't prepared? That's insane talk
 

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Yeah, the only reason we say "it doesn't happen to other teams" is because we don't follow other teams. It happens to teams like USC, Georgia, Florida State and Ohio State every single year.
And 2 of those teams won recent championships. Meanwhile, we're hanging out in mediocreville 4 of the last 5 years....
 

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Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.


Oh my...

And FYI, DWatson has not played an entire road game yet as Clemson QB because he is constantly being asked to push through when he hasn't been properly prepared.
 

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Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.

Par for the course with you.

Remember before the 2012 season where you said ND would never be competitive again (or something ludicrous like that)? And then you went on and on all off-season that it was over for ND? How did that turn out?

Just like I mentioned in another thread…why do people have to make over-the-top, ridiculous statements just to make their points? Is your argument that weak that you have to basically make shit up, or make us believe you don’t know a thing about college football? Posts like the above are friggin’ ridiculous, and not worthy of any further response.
 

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Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.

I don't think the motivation angle applies here. Why would ND not be motivated against Va? Pushing them hard? I will never believe BK did not push his players during practice to face Va... or any team for that fact. And the reasons for injury you mention.... I just can't buy that either. Injuries happen. MZ's unjury was simply a fluke injury on a tackle that gets made numerous times in any game. And until the games with Ga tech and Clemson are played and won or lost on the field, I will certainly withhold judgment. Frustration with injuries, etc., are understandable... so I can understand your post. I just don't agree with it when I look at it objectively.
 

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I have to agree with a lot Wooly is saying. But I watched the first half on the computer the other. Day so I could play back some areas I wanted to see again. I know you can play the what ifs all day but Ziare was off his game. His missed a wide open receiver in the right flat, on the one throw that Fuller was covered he miss I believe it was Robinson coming across the middle at the 1 wide open that he didn't see.
 

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I promise I'm not hedging but looking at the schedule there are really only two games that we shouldn't win on paper (Georgia Tech & USC) despite any shortcomings BK may have. I think Clemson is a huge fraud this year and so is Stanford. We have a lot more talent than any of the other teams.

If we make it through the rest of the season without injuries and Kizer plays pretty well, I still think we can win 10 games. 11 if we can somehow beat either USC or GTech. Just praying we don't have the 1-2 scratch your head games.

Ok maybe I'm hedging...
 

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I promise I'm not hedging but looking at the schedule there are really only two games that we shouldn't win on paper (Georgia Tech & USC) despite any shortcomings BK may have. I think Clemson is a huge fraud this year and so is Stanford. We have a lot more talent than any of the other teams.

If we make it through the rest of the season without injuries and Kizer plays pretty well, I still think we can win 10 games. 11 if we can somehow beat either USC or GTech. Just praying we don't have the 1-2 scratch your head games.

Ok maybe I'm hedging...

Hedging or not, the picture will get a little clearer on Saturday. So excited to see DeShone. I'm optimistic so long as the D can step it up and play to potential.
 

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I, typically, thoroughly enjoy your posts, TP. But I'd like to comment on this one in particular because I feel your "job" is to pump pro-ND propaganda often (and you do a phenomenal job at it, btw). Sometimes, however, this leads to potent green koolaid.



I agree that ND prides itself in doing things a certain way, and in a lot of ways it handicaps the football program from competing on a yearly basis with football factories. It is hard to win at ND consistently. I don't disagree. But at what point do the excuses stop? "No team under Kelly has quit." What does that have to do with being a championship contender on the regular? That's grasping at straws to me, personally.



More excuses. ND has a reputation for playing down to lesser teams. That's exactly what happened this past weekend. ND didn't put their foot on UVA's throats once they got them down early. The defense, yet again, let an average QB look great. People are tired of this. For every hyped game that the ND players get up for, there's a Purdue letdown. Enough with the excuses. Championship teams stomp lesser teams more often than not. I'm tired of it being a 50/50 toss up which ND will come out to play.



I haven't read one post or heard one person say they want BK fired after Saturday's game. And yes, people are down right now because 1) It took a last minute TD to beat a less talented UVA team 2) Five season ending injuries already, Four of which are starters and 3) The hopes for this season with such a deep and talented team was a Playoff spot and people are seeing it as a less likely scenario now. BK has done a phenomenal job at ND. I do not want him fired. But I don't consider him an elite coach.



I'm neither here nor there on this one. I'll cross the potential new ND coach bridge if/when we get to it.



BK knew what he was getting himself into. He embraced it. And has done a wonderful job. I still think there's room for improvement though.



This is true, but I just feel like you're saying the same stuff over and over at this point. There is a formula for winning at ND. It just hasn't been realized yet.


I don't have a "job" of promoting anything.

The Kelly has had teams quit when the tough got going. It was primarily when he first got here. I won't say the entire team quit, but players quit and he had to play them out of necessity, because the previously regime did so poorly at recruiting depth at so many positions.

It's the first step in winning a National Title. A coach can't a have roster of kids that only try when they want to. You run into a Charlie Weis team and you never know which team will show up simply from an effort standpoint. When the tough gets going, you don't want to see kids quit. Last year at USC, ND was getting their ass smacked for 4 quarters, yet only kid quit. Jacob Matuska was going to get his ass handed to him most plays, but he was fighting. You didn't see that when in Kelly's first couple years from every player and you certainly didnt see it under Charlie Weis.



Let down games. It's the beauty of college football man. Teams aren't going smack lesser teams week in and week out. Notre Dame played a great game to open the season, chances are they weren't going to duplicate that on the road. You don't think that Jon Tenuta was a little extra fired up to play ND? You don't think UVA had the ND game circles all summer as it was the first time ND had played in their house? I get it. I would love to see Notre Dame stomp on teams throats when they get up. Is it Brian Kelly's fault when Zaire misses multiple open guys or consistently makes the wrong read on read option in short yardage? A coach can only coach his guys up so much. Players need to make plays on the field.

Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech at home, beat PENN STATE 31-24 in OT, beat Minnesota 31-24, beat Indiana 42-27 and beat Michigan 42-28 last year. I wouldn't say they stepped on teams throats last year when they got up. Did they have more blowouts? Sure, but i would be willing to bet in ND played their schedule you would see a few more blowouts.

In 2014,

Alabama beat WVU 33-23..a 7-6 WVU team. Bama lost to Ole Miss, beat Arkansas 14-13, beat Tennessee 34-20 and I wouldn’t consider Tennessee a good football team last year.

Oregon beat WASHINGTON STATE 38-31, lost to Arizona, beat CAL 59-41.

Teams have struggle with teams they shouldn't all the time. Teams get fired up to play the top dog. Notre Dame is always going to be the top dog in a matchup because of the name alone. When you're a program with prestige teams are going to give their best shot every week. It's not practical for a team to play 15 perfect games. You win and you move on.


I am just stating what you're arguing happens at every program in the country. It's college football.

I am not saying Brian Kelly is the perfect coach, because he and his staff could be doing a number of things better. But when you look at the finer details when push comes to shove it's not that bad. It's game 2. Notre Dame doesnt have a RB that has played RB in a game before this fall. They have two inexperienced OL who should grow from their lack of attention to detail last week. They have a cornerback who is learning how to play a new position after missing an entire year.
 

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Good to great coach who slipped up last week on the motivation angle-Va should have never been in this game and the results are a season now in jeapordy. In my mind injuries occur when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard. Now your asking the impossible. Kelly should shoulder the blame for not rubbing out Va early. You are now looking down the barrel of 7/5-8/4. Keep in mind this team was loaded just a few weeks ago even without a great QB who transferred-then you lose 4 very good pieces to injury and there you have your season washed out. Ga Tech will not be stopped this week and they have no chance now at Clemson unless Kizer is Joe Montana.

Lol. Injuries happen when guys are asked to push through when they weren't prepared to push that hard?

Did you see the Jarron Jones injury?
Did you see Tarean Folston's injury on the first drive of the game? Guess it was too much to push him to carry the ball on the first series of the season.

I guess Shaun Crawford shouldn't have been practicing with the other 104 guys on the team. Don't want to push him.

You make zero sense.


How do you know Kizer isn't adequate? He has played almost as much as Zaire.
 

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Kizer is gonna surprise a lot of people with his ability to get the ball into the hands of our athletes.
 

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I don't have a "job" of promoting anything.

The Kelly has had teams quit when the tough got going. It was primarily when he first got here. I won't say the entire team quit, but players quit and he had to play them out of necessity, because the previously regime did so poorly at recruiting depth at so many positions.

It's the first step in winning a National Title. A coach can't a have roster of kids that only try when they want to. You run into a Charlie Weis team and you never know which team will show up simply from an effort standpoint. When the tough gets going, you don't want to see kids quit. Last year at USC, ND was getting their ass smacked for 4 quarters, yet only kid quit. Jacob Matuska was going to get his ass handed to him most plays, but he was fighting. You didn't see that when in Kelly's first couple years from every player and you certainly didnt see it under Charlie Weis.



Let down games. It's the beauty of college football man. Teams aren't going smack lesser teams week in and week out. Notre Dame played a great game to open the season, chances are they weren't going to duplicate that on the road. You don't think that Jon Tenuta was a little extra fired up to play ND? You don't think UVA had the ND game circles all summer as it was the first time ND had played in their house? I get it. I would love to see Notre Dame stomp on teams throats when they get up. Is it Brian Kelly's fault when Zaire misses multiple open guys or consistently makes the wrong read on read option in short yardage? A coach can only coach his guys up so much. Players need to make plays on the field.

Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech at home, beat PENN STATE 31-24 in OT, beat Minnesota 31-24, beat Indiana 42-27 and beat Michigan 42-28 last year. I wouldn't say they stepped on teams throats last year when they got up. Did they have more blowouts? Sure, but i would be willing to bet in ND played their schedule you would see a few more blowouts.

In 2014,

Alabama beat WVU 33-23..a 7-6 WVU team. Bama lost to Ole Miss, beat Arkansas 14-13, beat Tennessee 34-20 and I wouldn’t consider Tennessee a good football team last year.

Oregon beat WASHINGTON STATE 38-31, lost to Arizona, beat CAL 59-41.

Teams have struggle with teams they shouldn't all the time. Teams get fired up to play the top dog. Notre Dame is always going to be the top dog in a matchup because of the name alone. When you're a program with prestige teams are going to give their best shot every week. It's not practical for a team to play 15 perfect games. You win and you move on.


I am just stating what you're arguing happens at every program in the country. It's college football.

I am not saying Brian Kelly is the perfect coach, because he and his staff could be doing a number of things better. But when you look at the finer details when push comes to shove it's not that bad. It's game 2. Notre Dame doesnt have a RB that has played RB in a game before this fall. They have two inexperienced OL who should grow from their lack of attention to detail last week. They have a cornerback who is learning how to play a new position after missing an entire year.

There's definitely a perception bias. In 2002, my dad and I were watching the BCS national championship game. My dad and his brothers all went to OSU. When they struggled, my dad went on a big rant about OSU has played to their competition his whole life and watching OSU is a perpetual exercise in frustration every year. My dad still says this. His brothers say this. Every OSU fan I know gets PISSED when they get taken to the last play by Purdue or Illinois every other year.

If it affects OSU, ofc it's going to affect us. Nature of the game. Struggling against teams you shouldn't doesn't necessarily make you a bad team.
 

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I don't have a "job" of promoting anything.

The Kelly has had teams quit when the tough got going. It was primarily when he first got here. I won't say the entire team quit, but players quit and he had to play them out of necessity, because the previously regime did so poorly at recruiting depth at so many positions.

It's the first step in winning a National Title. A coach can't a have roster of kids that only try when they want to. You run into a Charlie Weis team and you never know which team will show up simply from an effort standpoint. When the tough gets going, you don't want to see kids quit. Last year at USC, ND was getting their ass smacked for 4 quarters, yet only kid quit. Jacob Matuska was going to get his ass handed to him most plays, but he was fighting. You didn't see that when in Kelly's first couple years from every player and you certainly didnt see it under Charlie Weis.



Let down games. It's the beauty of college football man. Teams aren't going smack lesser teams week in and week out. Notre Dame played a great game to open the season, chances are they weren't going to duplicate that on the road. You don't think that Jon Tenuta was a little extra fired up to play ND? You don't think UVA had the ND game circles all summer as it was the first time ND had played in their house? I get it. I would love to see Notre Dame stomp on teams throats when they get up. Is it Brian Kelly's fault when Zaire misses multiple open guys or consistently makes the wrong read on read option in short yardage? A coach can only coach his guys up so much. Players need to make plays on the field.

Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech at home, beat PENN STATE 31-24 in OT, beat Minnesota 31-24, beat Indiana 42-27 and beat Michigan 42-28 last year. I wouldn't say they stepped on teams throats last year when they got up. Did they have more blowouts? Sure, but i would be willing to bet in ND played their schedule you would see a few more blowouts.

In 2014,

Alabama beat WVU 33-23..a 7-6 WVU team. Bama lost to Ole Miss, beat Arkansas 14-13, beat Tennessee 34-20 and I wouldn’t consider Tennessee a good football team last year.

Oregon beat WASHINGTON STATE 38-31, lost to Arizona, beat CAL 59-41.

Teams have struggle with teams they shouldn't all the time. Teams get fired up to play the top dog. Notre Dame is always going to be the top dog in a matchup because of the name alone. When you're a program with prestige teams are going to give their best shot every week. It's not practical for a team to play 15 perfect games. You win and you move on.


I am just stating what you're arguing happens at every program in the country. It's college football.

I am not saying Brian Kelly is the perfect coach, because he and his staff could be doing a number of things better. But when you look at the finer details when push comes to shove it's not that bad. It's game 2. Notre Dame doesnt have a RB that has played RB in a game before this fall. They have two inexperienced OL who should grow from their lack of attention to detail last week. They have a cornerback who is learning how to play a new position after missing an entire year.

There's definitely a perception bias. In 2002, my dad and I were watching the BCS national championship game. My dad and his brothers all went to OSU. When they struggled, my dad went on a big rant about OSU has played to their competition his whole life and watching OSU is a perpetual exercise in frustration every year. My dad still says this. His brothers say this. Every OSU fan I know gets PISSED when they get taken to the last play by Purdue or Illinois every other year.

If it affects OSU, ofc it's going to affect us. Nature of the game. Struggling against teams you shouldn't doesn't necessarily make you a bad team.


I'd just like to point out that my personal opinion on why I struggle with this so badly is because every team that just got listed has won something recently. Oregon hasn't won a nation title, but they're always in the hunt and have won some big bowl games. OSU has won. Alabama has won. That's the difference for me. These other programs don't have seasons get derailed on a regular basis like ND has in recent history. Yes down years happen, etc. But on the regular, there are certain teams who are always among college football's elite. I feel like ND is right on the cusp of that, but every year (sans 2012) there's been some huge let down (Turnovers, Injuries, Suspensions, Transfers). Something keeps this team from being a perennial 10-win team. And it just bothers me that ND is so close, yet it seems like a carrot on a stick. I'm just a passionate fan who wants to see ND in the hunt, year after year, again. BK has a chance to do something special this year, but with all the injuries (yet again), the odds are slowly being stacked against them. The next three weeks will tell me a lot about this team. Until then, I'm just going to sit back and cheer on the IRISH and hope for the best.
 

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I don't have a "job" of promoting anything.

Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech at home, beat PENN STATE 31-24 in OT, beat Minnesota 31-24, beat Indiana 42-27 and beat Michigan 42-28 last year. I wouldn't say they stepped on teams throats last year when they got up. Did they have more blowouts? Sure, but i would be willing to bet in ND played their schedule you would see a few more blowouts.

In 2014,

Alabama beat WVU 33-23..a 7-6 WVU team. Bama lost to Ole Miss, beat Arkansas 14-13, beat Tennessee 34-20 and I wouldn’t consider Tennessee a good football team last year.

Oregon beat WASHINGTON STATE 38-31, lost to Arizona, beat CAL 59-41.

TP more than half the games you mentioned were 2 score victories. So even if the OSUs and Bamas of the world didn't win by 30, it's not like they won on a TD with 15 or so seconds left in the game. I fail to see how Bama beating Arkansas by 1 or OSU losing a game to a team that averaged something like 9 wins the last decade somehow justifies our struggles against highly inferior opponents.

Style points matter. We learned that last year when OSU jumped into the playoffs because they destroyed Wisconsin. Perception is everything. If we go 11-1 this year and 7 of our wins come in close games against shitty opponents we won't get into the playoffs.
 

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I fail to see how Bama beating Arkansas by 1 or OSU losing a game to a team that averaged something like 9 wins the last decade somehow justifies our struggles against highly inferior opponents.

I don't want to assume to speak for TP, but I don't think it is about justifying close games against less talented teams. I think it is about this inference that there is something wrong with Coach Kelly because it is happening. It happens to other coaches, too. So maybe it is just the nature of the beast, instead of a deficiency with our coaching staff?
 

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I fail to see how Bama beating Arkansas by 1 or OSU losing a game to a team that averaged something like 9 wins the last decade somehow justifies our struggles against highly inferior opponents.

BK has averaged 9 wins at Notre Dame...
 

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BK has averaged 9 wins at Notre Dame...

Technically, yes.

But he has an outlier season. He's avg 8.25 wins over 4 full seasons. The 12-win season skews that upward. I know you can't really look at it that way and it's cherry picking. But in my line of work we tend to eliminate outliers, so it's a common exercise for me to ignore it and focus on the more common occurrences: BK at ND is an 8 to 9- win coach with one good season. That's just how I look at it.

But yes, you are right, technically.
 

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I don't want to assume to speak for TP, but I don't think it is about justifying close games against less talented teams. I think it is about this inference that there is something wrong with Coach Kelly because it is happening. It happens to other coaches, too. So maybe it is just the nature of the beast, instead of a deficiency with our coaching staff?

I've gone over this a million times. It's okay to play down to your opponent or to lose a game you shouldn't once in a while. It's not okay to do it 6-7 times a season. This isn't the NFL where you can lose to Jacksonville in Week 3 and it has little effect overall. You lose to Northwestern at home in CFB and the season is over,

BK has averaged 9 wins at Notre Dame...

I'm comparing Virginia Tech to teams like Virginia. Using VTech as an example of good teams losing to bad teams would be like me using Notre Dame as an example of Michigan St. losing to a bad team.

And actually Virginia averaged about 9.7 regular season wins from 2004-2011 so it's not like they are some scrub program that OSU lost to. That's the point.
 
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