Body Blow Theory

[Veer option]

Somewhat off topic but I was really surprised and thankful that Koyak didn't get his knee blown out when the navy player hit him really low (2nd or 3rd quarter iirc) If you watch the play in slow mo it is cringe worthy.

 

[D-BOE34]

I tried to read every posy but has it been discussed on just how awkward of matchup it is for us? When you play a Power 5 team you get the lines matched up, QB plays a similar style to someone else on schedule and the pace is similar as well. What made UNC unique is the pace. What makes Navy awkward is the small, quick, fight for four quarters, football players. Not to mention that the QB turned the ball up field at the first gap he could for 3-4 yards. Ran hard and always fell forward. It was like you had to get a straight shot to stop him, yet, he is smaller than most and had fight in him.

I know someone else mentioned it but Navy plays up for marquee games. None of their players (IMO) feel entitled. They may have dreamed to play at ND or pOSU but they weren't close to getting offered, much less on the grid. This is their moment. Heart plays a lot into these games and that isn't to say we don't have heart but for 1 game, these guys try to shock the world. We don't have that opportunity.

I hate playing Navy but I am ok with it (make sense?). Better than an FCS team and we wouldn't replace them with an SEC team. Might as well keep some tradition...afterall we are ND

 

[ND NYC]

Somewhat off topic but I was really surprised and thankful that Koyak didn't get his knee blown out when the navy player hit him really low (2nd or 3rd quarter iirc) If you watch the play in slow mo it is cringe worthy.

indeed!

 

[mick2]

drop em'!!!

 

[BobbyMac]

I think it's time to move on too.

We all sit around and debate future schedules and series that ND has signed up over the last few years and I'd bet the house, they never play these marquee games in 2020, 2021...etc. College football is always 1 second away from Texas leaving for the B1G, PAC-12 or the SEC and setting off the final round of realignment. This time it will result in 4 Super Conferences as the Big-12 is picked apart and disappears. The MW will get raided as will the American and those without a seat will be FCS schools.

Back to Navy.
Navy does nothing to make the Irish better. Everything about the rivalry is a negative for ND's in season development towards a playoff run.

Soon enough, ND will be a full time member of a 16-20 member ACC. SC is the only team that really matters to keep on the schedule outside of the ACC.

 

[nsisk157]

Contractually speaking, we are committed through 2016?

 

[dshans]

Who, among you, are not of the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" mentality/philosophy?

[I'm not one, but that's a different thread and discussion.]

Football is a (controlled) violent game. Different teams with different schemes will challenge and beat the living shit out of one another.

I ,for one, look back fondly on the days when many teams were independent. Small, regional conferences were understandable. Independents played the role of spoiler and equalizer for the ball licking Biggies, Packies, Sur Oeste Mounties, Some Coasties and Easties or whateveries.

Play the damn game on any give Saturday (or Thursday or Monday or whatever day trawls the most revenue). "Let the chips fall where they may." Are those chips blue, red, green or media driven cyan?

Troll to one's hearts content. Pay-Per-View (In one ESPN view or another) is King of Kings!

All Hail!

 

[MNIrishman]

I think it's time to move on too.

We all sit around and debate future schedules and series that ND has signed up over the last few years and I'd bet the house, they never play these marquee games in 2020, 2021...etc. College football is always 1 second away from Texas leaving for the B1G, PAC-12 or the SEC and setting off the final round of realignment. This time it will result in 4 Super Conferences as the Big-12 is picked apart and disappears. The MW will get raided as will the American and those without a seat will be FCS schools.

Back to Navy.
Navy does nothing to make the Irish better. Everything about the rivalry is a negative for ND's in season development towards a playoff run.

Soon enough, ND will be a full time member of a 16-20 member ACC. SC is the only team that really matters to keep on the schedule outside of the ACC.

The administration has made it clear we will never ever drop three teams from the schedule. Kind of pointless to argue reasons to do so; it will literally never happen in our or our children's lifetimes, assuming football is still a thing.

 

[BobbyMac]

The administration has made it clear we will never ever drop three teams from the schedule. Kind of pointless to argue reasons to do so; it will literally never happen in our or our children's lifetimes, assuming football is still a thing.

I know the University's position on Navy and I admire it but... I 100% guarantee it will happen when the 80ish top football schools leave the NCAA or establish a new uber DI. It's just a matter of time.

 

[MNIrishman]

I know the University's position on Navy and I admire it but... I 100% guarantee it will happen when the 80ish top football schools leave the NCAA or establish a new uber DI. It's just a matter of time.

The Irish will stop playing football before they stop playing Navy.

 

[BobbyMac]

The Irish will stop playing football before they stop playing Navy.

It won't be ND's choice someday unless they either remain independent at a lower level DI or they can get Navy into the Super ACC ahead of UConn, Temple, WVU, UCF and USF

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[philipm31]

You all DO realize that ND does NOT exist without Navy, right?

That debt will NEVER be repaid. Move on already.

 

[wizards8507]

It won't be ND's choice someday unless they either remain independent at a lower level DI or they can get Navy into the Super ACC ahead of UConn, Temple, WVU, UCF and USF.

There are a number of ways ND can continue playing Navy in a "super conference" world. Don't forget, Notre Dame ALREADY has special rules that don't require them to be a full ACC member in order to get Power 5 considerations. Options for continuing to play Navy post-realignment:

1. "Power 5" exemption for FBS independents. BYU, Notre Dame, Navy, and Army "count" as Power 5 teams.

2. A one-game exemption for existing agreements. The rule could read "Power 5 schools must only schedule other Power 5 opponents except for agreements already in place at the time of ratification." ND and Navy officially make their agreement "perpetual" and they're set.

3. Navy membership in the ACC.

4. A sixth power conference. There are enough competitive teams (several from the American) out there to form one more, IMO.

5. A thirteenth game outside of the "regular season". It might have to be billed as an exhibition or something like that, but it could happen.

Note that none of these options involve Notre Dame fully joining a conference or being relegated to any kind of Division 1-and-a-half. No matter what happens with future realignment, Notre Dame will always have a seat at the table. There's no way that the new "power 5 NCAA," whatever it will be called, unilaterally dictates that we'll never again see Notre Dame - USC, Notre Dame - Stanford, Notre Dame - Navy, Notre Dame - Big 10 unless Notre Dame joins a conference in full. Just ain't gonna happen.

 

[blackirish]

It accounts for Ohio states loss to va tech...

Would be interesting to see a compilation of every team's game right after navy for a few years

I think in Ohio states case is that the SEC/ACC teams are a poor match up for them, hell they lost to Clemson in the Orange Bowl this pass Jan.

 

[blackirish]

Let's just make Navy the first game every year... it worked well in 2012...backups got to play and everything and there weren't any injuries that I remember. But we did have a pretty bad showing against Purdue the next week. Or maybe we schedule them right before a bye week every year.

I also think Reynolds has a lot to do with them giving us a hard time recently. He runs that option flawlessly and is actually a decent passer when he needs to be. Is this his last year? I sure hope so.

We've had our troubles with Navy when they didn't have Reynolds,and lets be clear, there are a few of real damn good defenses in college football that would have a helluva time trying to stop Navy's option attack because it's incredible next to Auburn's running attack.

 

[Luckylucci]

FWIW, this is actually gaining some traction and not just with ND fans. 3 people have engaged me in conversations in the office about this. They bring up the records of the teams following playing Navy and ND's record after playing Navy the last 7 years. Just found it interesting.

 

[blackirish]

Interesting take on the number of snaps. It could have plenty to do with the fact that we have not been able to put anyone away this year. Its not so much schedule, its the inability to control the game.

I agree. too many come from behind wins and having to score a ton of points to win against average teams like NC.and to a not very good Stanford team. Thank god we don't play Pitt this year because they take it to us every damn year win or lose.