BK stays at ND

[johnnykillz]

Sober Thoughts

Sober Thoughts

The leverage CBK may be seeking could be more than pay for him or his assistants.

It could less about ego and more about loosening the restraints on what it'll take to get bigger fish.

Holtz was able to do some things other coaches since haven't, at least rumored.

Personally, I think this is a combination of all the above.

Admissions, pay, extensions, etc.

The request must be substantial.

It may be more than the admin wants to give.

It may be more than is possible.

Or it may be profound enough to revolutionize ND football-wise.

The lack thereof could cement our current place as is, reduce us to Ivy League, or force us to join a weak conference.

Or it may increase our likelihood to stay independent.

They could all be interrelated.

 

[IrishLax]

But let's talk about the real issue at hand...

Where are all of the TP lovers today? I mean, yesterday was promised to be a "great day to be Irish"?

[\crickets]

The Lord of Light is never wrong, it is only his servants who err in the interpretation of what they see in the flames.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Fair enough. I'm in the middle still, not freaking out, but definitely not wearing green tinted glasses and drinking a Shamrock Shake either. It is what it is......

my point is...me too steel. everyone should wait for whatever news story breaks...and then pause. breathe...and wait for it to be corroborated.

 

[connor_in]

BREAKING NEWS...its being reported that while out of the country BK was struck on the head...lost his memory and has beenliving out 80's sitcom plots in trying to re-discover who he really is...

 

[gkIrish]

BREAKING NEWS...its being reported that while out of the country BK was struck on the head...lost his memory and has beenliving out 80's sitcom plots in trying to re-discover who he really is...

Can you please stop putting breaking news in front of these posts. We are all on edge and well...that messes with our mind man

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

But let's talk about the real issue at hand...

Where are all of the TP lovers today? I mean, yesterday was promised to be a "great day to be Irish"?

[\crickets]

Ha, it's not like he's pulling your leg or trolling so he can watch IE burn. What if the guy got info that was initially true and it changed? Does that not happen? The sources are as legit as they get, that's as far as I'll go with that.

I don't understand the hate thrown his way. All the "insiders", that a lot of you pay to read, throw 10x more bullshit out there.

 

[LoveThee]

My take: Notre Dame is bigger than Brian Kelly. He is a career climber and this incident only makes it apparent he will leave for the NFL eventually. He did a great job coaching and building ND, but guess what... if he leaves, he has left the cupboard full. Basically the opposite of what Urban did to Florida.

There is a lot of talent on this roster and we don't need a certain coach to win. I think this whole idea started with BK looking to get himself and his assistants a raise and more security as well as less strict standards of admissions for his players. For example he probably wants to be able to get kids like Al-Quadin Muhammad in.

I would guess the ND administration refused on one or some of those points and BK is now seriously considering the Eagles. We may only get him back if he does not get the Eagles job, but I would guess ND is playing hardball with him.

 

[Cali_domer]

So did anything change for when I last looked(Midnight)last night?

 

[irishog77]

So did anything change for when I last looked(Midnight)last night?

I did some man-scaping between than and now...

 

[LoveThee]

Also, while I do believe losing BK would suck and be a set back for the program, I wouldn't blame the administration for letting him walk*. We are Notre Dame, no football coach will change that. The University has standards. If you are going to compromise them, whats the point of having them in the first place? And why not be just like USC and be a good school that takes any "dumb jock"

*I would 100% blame the administration for letting BK walk if it is because they refuse to pay him/his assistants. He should be paid for the success he has brought to the University.

 

[GoIrish41]

Given the fact that his team just played for the BCS Championship, how did you reach your conclusion that any of the "self inflicted wounds" had any impact on the team?

Your point is taken though about questioning whether they had a negative affect on the team, but I would argue that they did and do have an affect on his reputation with the fan base and potential recruits. Who can say how many recruits didn't come to ND after the screaming incident or the loss or driving a stake between his and Weis' guys. Who can say how many of the guys on the teams the past couple of years didn't give it their all. I think we had a more talented team last year than this one (minus the QB). That team didn't approach the level of success of this year's team. Why not?

But lets say that his past actions didn't have a negative effect. This eagle's thing kind has a new level feel to it. As a coach, he has to get his team to buy in. He did a masterful job at that this season, but moving forward, it will be much more difficult for him to demonstrate hat he is "all in" himself.

 

[Cali_domer]

I did some man-scaping between than and now...

 

[connor_in]

FAKE NEWS....

Levity frowned upon while members freakout during extended board meltdown!

 

[Cali_domer]

SIAP
notre dame football kelly eagles - chicagotribune.com

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Your point is taken though about questioning whether they had a negative affect on the team, but I would argue that they did and do have an affect on his reputation with the fan base and potential recruits. Who can say how many recruits didn't come to ND after the screaming incident or the loss or driving a stake between his and Weis' guys. Who can say how many of the guys on the teams the past couple of years didn't give it their all. I think we had a more talented team last year than this one (minus the QB). That team didn't approach the level of success of this year's team. Why not?

But lets say that his past actions didn't have a negative effect. This eagle's thing kind has a new level feel to it. As a coach, he has to get his team to buy in. He did a masterful job at that this season, but moving forward, it will be much more difficult for him to demonstrate hat he is "all in" himself.

Again, was Oregon not "all in" this year? How about LSU? Has O'Brien damaged himself irreparably with Penn State?

Of course, this line of thinking is all moot if Kelly actually leaves. But he's been entirely silent. We really don't know much of anything here.

 

[IrishLax]

Again, was Oregon not "all in" this year? How about LSU? Has O'Brien damaged himself irreparably with Penn State?

Of course, this line of thinking is all moot if Kelly actually leaves. But he's been entirely silent. We really don't know much of anything here.

This. Chip Kelly and O'Brien literally have done the same thing as BK to this point... and that is meet with the Eagles. Both of them did that, Chip was even rumored to be a "done deal" to an NFL team, and both just got pay raises and stayed put. So far the only thing Kelly has done that has been confirmed is a meeting in Miami on Tuesday with the Eagles.

Everything else is noise. Nobody killed Chip Kelly about it. Nobody killed O'Brien about it. But somehow Brian Kelly has "irreparably damaged" himself by doing a meeting and then going on vacation.

Sensationalism at its finest.

 

[GoIrish41]

Again, was Oregon not "all in" this year? How about LSU? Has O'Brien damaged himself irreparably with Penn State?

Of course, this line of thinking is all moot if Kelly actually leaves. But he's been entirely silent. We really don't know much of anything here.

It is difficult to say whether or not they were "all in." Who knows if things could have been different for any of them given a change here, or more focus there. I think that if you are not going to pull the trigger, there isn't much point in loading the gun. We don't know anything, but we as the fanbase are not the only people speculating. These same thoughts are going on in the minds of players and recruits as well. They don't have to be accurate to do damage -- that is all I'm saying.

 

[Anchorman]

It's funny to see people trash/question TP. If you don't like him, block him. And do you ever think where he gets his info from? Clearly if you think it's the same as paid sites you wouldn't understand. A lot of the time those paid sites receive their information from TP... It's not his fault his incredibly close sources who can't be named in public are wrong sometimes...

Should also keep in mind that TP's sources have a bias of their own, which means the information TP gets does as well. If TP and his gang are looking to bring back ND football, they're not going to go out of their way to break or spread potentially negative info.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

This. Chip Kelly and O'Brien literally have done the same thing as BK to this point... and that is meet with the Eagles. Both of them did that, Chip was even rumored to be a "done deal" to an NFL team, and both just got pay raises and stayed put. So far the only thing Kelly has done that has been confirmed is a meeting in Miami on Tuesday with the Eagles.

Everything else is noise. Nobody killed Chip Kelly about it. Nobody killed O'Brien about it. But somehow Brian Kelly has "irreparably damaged" himself by doing a meeting and then going on vacation.

Sensationalism at its finest.

nike money goes really far!

 

[Rocky2820]

Also, while I do believe losing BK would suck and be a set back for the program, I wouldn't blame the administration for letting him walk*. We are Notre Dame, no football coach will change that. The University has standards. If you are going to compromise them, whats the point of having them in the first place? And why not be just like USC and be a good school that takes any "dumb jock"

*I would 100% blame the administration for letting BK walk if it is because they refuse to pay him/his assistants. He should be paid for the success he has brought to the University.

I'm no expert on this subject, so I'm just sharing my thinking. You are undoubtedly correct that the university has standards, and these standards include those from the academic arena. And it's those standards that have always come first at ND. So then, to the second part of your post, is there "conflict" inherent in paying football coaches salaries that dwarf those of the highest-level educational administrators. I have no idea what Father Jenkins earns, or the Executive Vice-President, Provost, etc. But I would like to know the university's stance/beliefs/policies regarding how much athletic coaches should earn. Of course, at (probably) all big-time CFB schools the head coach and typically the assistants too earn salaries that far exceed those of the school administrators. And the stated rationale, of course, is how much success on the field translates into success within the academic arena. Is that true at ND too? I don't know. Would ND be willing to pay BK what a Saban makes, which sounds like it would be approximately a doubling of his salary, or the assistants what SEC assistants make? Would be curious to hear some of your thoughts on this.

 

[GoIrish41]

This. Chip Kelly and O'Brien literally have done the same thing as BK to this point... and that is meet with the Eagles. Both of them did that, Chip was even rumored to be a "done deal" to an NFL team, and both just got pay raises and stayed put. So far the only thing Kelly has done that has been confirmed is a meeting in Miami on Tuesday with the Eagles.

Everything else is noise. Nobody killed Chip Kelly about it. Nobody killed O'Brien about it. But somehow Brian Kelly has "irreparably damaged" himself by doing a meeting and then going on vacation.

Sensationalism at its finest.

Nobody? I find that hard to believe. I didn't check their message boards or anything, but I have to believe their fan bases were just as animated about their opinions than we are. I have a lot of family in State College who found O'Brien's flirtation with the NFL off-putting.

I'm not sensationalizing anything, just giving my opinion about how this could potentially look to players and recruits.

 

[domerfreak]

SIAP
notre dame football kelly eagles - chicagotribune.com

interesting....pretty much what a lot of you have been "debating" and if its taking this long to meet demands from either side how long does BK hold out for?

Stand by what i said before and like it or not it is a business but if I'm JS I have already had some form of contact with my replacement wish list of coaches. Just my two cents.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Let talks between Brian Kelly and Eagles commence. Kelly is due back in country today to attend Walter Camp dinner in New Haven tonight.

 

[dkuhn12]

Hey guys have not posted in awhile.

 

[IrishFiend88]

The silence tells me he is gone. But that is just my opinion and gut feeling. He has a right to do this, but he is doing it poorly.

I hate to say it, but the other Kelly handled it much better. He never denied interest. He said he would listen. He did, and he returned to Oregon. But there was no long period of silence, no mystery behind it.

Agree, the other Kelly handled it better.

Chip: "I've said I'll always listen and that's what I'll do"
Brian: "Leaving Notre Dame is not an option"

 

[tko]

Assuming Kelly leaves, I want Diaco/Martin and Alford to run this team. I like the attitude we have right now and the culture. God help us if we blow everyone out of the water and start the fk over.

 

[LoveThee]

I'm no expert on this subject, so I'm just sharing my thinking. You are undoubtedly correct that the university has standards, and these standards include those from the academic arena. And it's those standards that have always come first at ND. So then, to the second part of your post, is there "conflict" inherent in paying football coaches salaries that dwarf those of the highest-level educational administrators. I have no idea what Father Jenkins earns, or the Executive Vice-President, Provost, etc. But I would like to know the university's stance/beliefs/policies regarding how much athletic coaches should earn. Of course, at (probably) all big-time CFB schools the head coach and typically the assistants too earn salaries that far exceed those of the school administrators. And the stated rationale, of course, is how much success on the field translates into success within the academic arena. Is that true at ND too? I don't know. Would ND be willing to pay BK what a Saban makes, which sounds like it would be approximately a doubling of his salary, or the assistants what SEC assistants make? Would be curious to hear some of your thoughts on this.

I may be entirely wrong on this but I thought I read somewhere that ND does not make more than the highest paid professor. But that could be really outdated so don't hold me to that. Although, I would justify paying the football coach more than school administrators/professors earn because of the publicity and money the program brings to the University. Theoretically, should coaches (athletics) make more money (take precedence) than (over) educators (academics)? I would say theoretically that is not how it should be. But, because of the way the world works and CFB being a business, it is completely justifiable to pay premiums for the services of coaches. Just my two cents

 

[IrishFiend88]

Ogretoes

Ogretoes

Am I a troll because if i am I did'nt know it?

Ignore him. Everybody else does.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My take: Notre Dame is bigger than Brian Kelly. He is a career climber and this incident only makes it apparent he will leave for the NFL eventually. He did a great job coaching and building ND, but guess what... if he leaves, he has left the cupboard full. Basically the opposite of what Urban did to Florida.

There is a lot of talent on this roster and we don't need a certain coach to win. I think this whole idea started with BK looking to get himself and his assistants a raise and more security as well as less strict standards of admissions for his players. For example he probably wants to be able to get kids like Al-Quadin Muhammad in.

I would guess the ND administration refused on one or some of those points and BK is now seriously considering the Eagles. We may only get him back if he does not get the Eagles job, but I would guess ND is playing hardball with him.

There is some really good ideas clearly presented in this post.

There was clearly an "agreement to disagree," between all the parties who are carfully and loudly saying nothing.

I had a mentor once who said the time to fire an employee was the first time you thought about it seriously.

How you fire an employee has nothing to do with the person, personality, or situation. It has to do with the type of job. There are two types. Those who need replacements in place and those who don't. The Head Coach at UND needs to be filled prior to dismissal.

How many assistant head coaches are there?

I bet that the University can call BK back, and if he doesn't come, that constitutes a dereliction of duty, which renders the contract he has null and void. Any experts want to weigh in on that?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Hey guys have not posted in awhile. You can take this anyway you want but my aunt is best friends with one of assistants wife and she just texted her a but ago that Kelly told the staff he is staying at ND. Like I said take it how you want because I am not how much I trust what Kelly days right now.

Well...I hope your aunt's friend's text is right about what Brian told her husband.

I really do.