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There's probably no such thing as a genetic predisposition to bigotry other than one for xenophobia (a matter for another discussion). My early childhood (and late childhood too) were actually rather free from bigotry and were quite healthy and happy. Your assumption that all people raised in The South were violent racists who burned crosses and hated anyone different from themselves is not only grossly inaccurate, but quite prejudiced and bigoted itself.

Despite your inaccurate assumptions about my childhood and shortcomings, I'm actually rather open and accepting of people and ideas different from myself and have been relatively successful in my personal life and career. I'm just not gullible and easily swayed by nonsense and rationally ridiculous Newthink. I've seen hundreds of such bits of silly fluff come and go in my life and have learned to use my BS radar and know the difference between temporary cultural nonsense and permanent factual reality.

However, thanks for the compliment and the concern.
Where have you lived/traveled/spent time, if you wouldn’t mind?
 

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So you know nothing.

What do you think of clients who think they know as much or more about the law than you, because they’ve seen every episode of Law&Order?
Depends, do said clients have mental health problems? One particularly associated with suicide?
 

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I'm not being cruel. I'm being accurate and realistic and factual. He's not a woman. Period. He's a man with a mental disorder, or at best, some serious personal and psychological issues. Encouraging him to progress further into this delusion - or any delusion - is cruel and inhumane. Kindly and gently guide such people to help and to reality, just as we would someone who hears voices, thinks aliens are implanting brain control devices in their head, or think they're a vampire and must drink blood or their own will turn to powder. Not very different from someone who has cancer and refuses to acknowledge it and deal with it. It's a delusion. I don't know what went wrong in his life to so screw him up, but something did, and this is 100% NOT a mentally healthy, well-adjusted person. I'm not advocating throwing him off a tall building, imprisoning him, or any other thing of the kind. I'm advocating recognizing the issue for it is and providing support and help instead of encouraging a further descent into psychopathy in the name of woke silliness.
Remind us what the line of thinking was for gay people during the 1900's that was a momentary panic? A mental illness? Despite a long history of gay people existing? Certainly those that subscribed to a theory of being gay being a mental illness are looked upon fondly. Transgender people have a historical precedent of existing, those trying to virtue signal faux caring about "mental illness" will not be treated well by history.

Even in religion there are transgender elements.
 

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There's probably no such thing as a genetic predisposition to bigotry other than one for xenophobia (a matter for another discussion). My early childhood (and late childhood too) were actually rather free from bigotry and were quite healthy and happy. Your assumption that all people raised in The South were violent racists who burned crosses and hated anyone different from themselves is not only grossly inaccurate, but quite prejudiced and bigoted itself.

Despite your inaccurate assumptions about my childhood and shortcomings, I'm actually rather open and accepting of people and ideas different from myself and have been relatively successful in my personal life and career. I'm just not gullible and easily swayed by nonsense and rationally ridiculous Newthink. I've seen hundreds of such bits of silly fluff come and go in my life and have learned to use my BS radar and know the difference between temporary cultural nonsense and permanent factual reality.

However, thanks for the compliment and the concern.
Absolutely not true lol, there is no "bigot" gene. The least bigoted people will always be toddlers, hating another person is a learned behavior.
 

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Do you feel the same way about homosexuals?
No, that's a different issue with rather different causes. Although both are bound up with sexuality and many lump homosexuality in with the rest of LGBQT, when they're actually rather different in many ways.
 

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Absolutely not true lol, there is no "bigot" gene. The least bigoted people will always be toddlers, hating another person is a learned behavior.
Did you miss the part where I said there's probably no predisposition to bigotry? I don't disagree with you about hating others being a learned thing, but just because a trait isn't expressed in toddlers but is in older people is FAR from compelling evidence that it's a learned behavior. LOTS of traits and behaviors don't become evident until later in life.
 

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I'm not being cruel. I'm being accurate and realistic and factual. He's not a woman. Period. He's a man with a mental disorder, or at best, some serious personal and psychological issues. Encouraging him to progress further into this delusion - or any delusion - is cruel and inhumane. Kindly and gently guide such people to help and to reality, just as we would someone who hears voices, thinks aliens are implanting brain control devices in their head, or think they're a vampire and must drink blood or their own will turn to powder. Not very different from someone who has cancer and refuses to acknowledge it and deal with it. It's a delusion. I don't know what went wrong in his life to so screw him up, but something did, and this is 100% NOT a mentally healthy, well-adjusted person. I'm not advocating throwing him off a tall building, imprisoning him, or any other thing of the kind. I'm advocating recognizing the issue for it is and providing support and help instead of encouraging a further descent into psychopathy in the name of woke silliness.
You are advocating bigotry and judgment about topics you don’t understand. Congratulations for not wanting to throw someone off a tall building. You are really an evolved and enlightened human being. 😏 The woman you are making fun of has accomplished more in her life than you ever will, even being the head case you suggest. That must really make you feel inadequate. Go ahead and lie to yourself about your wish to help dissuade her from her her dilution if it makes you feel superior. She spends her time trying to help people while you tear her down. You are a wind bag piece of shit who isn’t qualified to hold her purse.
 

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Where have you lived/traveled/spent time, if you wouldn’t mind?
I grew up in Alabama. Lived in W. Virginia for a summer. Lived in Chicago for a year. Have lived in North and South Dakota, and Montana. Lived on the East Coast for almost four years. I've been to each of the lower 48 states at least twice, and most of them several times, including spending significant amounts of time in each, other than VT & NH. Never done much more than just drive through those two.
 

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You are advocating bigotry and judgment about topics you don’t understand.
Nonsense. My background and education are in medicine, biology, and psychology. I understand his issues quite well. I know the difference between fantasy and reality, and the difference between a healthy mind and a harmful self-delusion. You should learn instead of parroting silly woke nonsense and encouraging people towards self harm.

The woman you are making fun of has accomplished more in her life than you ever will, even being the head case you suggest. That must really make you feel inadequate. Go ahead and lie to yourself about your wish to help dissuade her from her her dilution if it makes you feel superior. She spends her time trying to help people while you tear her down. You are a wind bag piece of shit who isn’t qualified to hold her purse.
He's not a woman. He's a man playing make believe. If he was in a bar and you were single and there alone and he propositioned you, would you go back to his room and get intimate with him? No? Well, that's because even you don't actually believe he's really a woman. I haven't made fun of him at all. I've stated an obvious and demonstrable fact: he has a mental illness or psychological issue and should be helped, not encouraged to engage in further unhealthy delusions. When we recognize another form of dysmorphia, anorexia, and try to help the person suffering from it, is that hate and bigotry, or is it reality and helpfulness for the person?

Just for the record, it's delusion, not dilution. Delusion is having a penis and thinking you're a woman. Dilution is having a glass of Kool-Aid and putting too much water in it. :)

My job is treating people who have issues, both physical and mental. Pointing out to a patient that their obesity, lifestyle, smoking, anorexia, cancer, psychopathy, or infection is harmful and needs to be treated isn't bigotry nor done to make me feel superior. It's done to deal with reality and help the person suffering from such issues. As to his accomplishments, good for him. What he has or hasn't accomplished is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand. As for you, get over your misinformed, angry rants and cursing. They're childish and shows an inability to discuss things rationally like an intelligent adult. You used to be so much better than this, 41.
 

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Nonsense. My background and education are in medicine, biology, and psychology. I understand his issues quite well. I know the difference between fantasy and reality, and the difference between a healthy mind and a harmful self-delusion. You should learn instead of parroting silly woke nonsense and encouraging people towards self harm.


He's not a woman. He's a man playing make believe. If he was in a bar and you were single and there alone and he propositioned you, would you go back to his room and get intimate with him? No? Well, that's because even you don't actually believe he's really a woman. I haven't made fun of him at all. I've stated an obvious and demonstrable fact: he has a mental illness or psychological issue and should be helped, not encouraged to engage in further unhealthy delusions. When we recognize another form of dysmorphia, anorexia, and try to help the person suffering from it, is that hate and bigotry, or is it reality and helpfulness for the person?

Just for the record, it's delusion, not dilution. Delusion is having a penis and thinking you're a woman. Dilution is having a glass of Kool-Aid and putting too much water in it. :)

My job is treating people who have issues, both physical and mental. Pointing out to a patient that their obesity, lifestyle, smoking, anorexia, cancer, psychopathy, or infection is harmful and needs to be treated isn't bigotry nor done to make me feel superior. It's done to deal with reality and help the person suffering from such issues. As to his accomplishments, good for him. What he has or hasn't accomplished is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand. As for you, get over your misinformed, angry rants and cursing. They're childish and shows an inability to discuss things rationally like an intelligent adult. You used to be so much better than this, 41.
Just because you don't sleep with someone does not change their gender lol. Tons of women I don't find attractive, doesn't mean they aren't a woman. The most helpful thing you can do with any transgender person is to show them compassion and not further alienate them from society as so many are hellbent on doing. I still haven't seen an answer as to what harm a transgender person has on you, if you're concerned about their health you would be focused on reducing the stigma and isolation that many of them feel. Transgender people have exponentially higher rates of suicide than cisgendered people. You want to preach a caring about their wellbeing? Don't shun them from society and push them towards suicide.
 

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We shot it down! LFG!!! Suck it Chiiiiinah!



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Just because you don't sleep with someone does not change their gender lol. Tons of women I don't find attractive, doesn't mean they aren't a woman. The most helpful thing you can do with any transgender person is to show them compassion and not further alienate them from society as so many are hellbent on doing. I still haven't seen an answer as to what harm a transgender person has on you, if you're concerned about their health you would be focused on reducing the stigma and isolation that many of them feel. Transgender people have exponentially higher rates of suicide than cisgendered people. You want to preach a caring about their wellbeing? Don't shun them from society and push them towards suicide.
Transgender people who transition STILL have much higher rates of suicide than the rest of us, even when adjusted for family support and acceptance. That's a good indication that transitioning isn't the answer to what's eating them. It's never been. It's like asserting that if society would be more accepting of another form of dysmorphia, anorexia, then the anorexic would be healthy and happy and their lifestyle choice would be perfectly fine, except we all know that's not so. Their weight and relationship with food isn't the real issue. It's the symtom and result of their real, underlying issue, and their dysmorphia is a delusion... and a very unhealthy one at that.

So it is with transgenders. It's a reaction to psychological problems, whether organic or event-related. We don't help the anorexic by playing along with their delusions about their body, encouraging them to go ahead and starve themselves, and we don't tell them what they're doing is healthy and good for them. We help them see reality, deal with the underlying issues causing their dysmorphia, and help them toward living a normal, healthy, reality-based life.

Same with transgender. You want to help them? Stop encouraging them to mutilate themselves and destroy their lives with drugs and hormones. You don't play along with the schizophrenic's delusions, so don't do it with transgenders. Telling them the truth and helping them deal with the underlying issues is a LOT more caring and decent and humane than what too many of you are now doing.
 

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Just because you don't sleep with someone does not change their gender lol. Tons of women I don't find attractive, doesn't mean they aren't a woman.
OK, let's say that Levine isn't attractive to you. If all trans people who were once men and are now women are completely women in your eyes, then surely of the thousands of them, some must be your cup of tea looks wise. Tell us which ones you'd enthusiastically bed and be intimate with if you were single. I mean out of thousands of transgender real women of all ages and hair colors and features and all, there must be dozens you'd give your left arm to spend a hot, sweaty, monkeylove weekend with, right? Don't spin and twist and dodge. You claim they're women, totally women in every way, just as much as the ones born with a pair of X chromies, so put your money where your mouth is and show us a few you'd crawl over broken glass to nail.
 

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Gender is based on societal norms, if societal norms evolve then parts of society will change as well. Fortunately, we know that transgender people have existed for a long time so this isn't really a discussion.
Is it? Pretty sure when you come out of your mother's vagina they check your genitals and you are properly assigned. Gender has always been based and rooted in biology. There is a difference between "norms" and "constructs".

A social norm is an expectation that a person will do something because everyone else does it, or often does it. These norms can vary based on family, friend group, work environment, country, continent, etc. For example, among one group it might be a social norm that families always eat dinner together every day, while other people might emphasize the breakfast meal. In some societies, young people are expected to go to college (post-secondary education), while in other places they may not be expected to. In some cultures, the word of an elder is highly respected and their authority may not be challenged, while in other cultures younger people speak their minds without restraint.

A social construct is a way of looking at the world that is not defined by the laws of nature or physics but by mutual agreement among people in a society. For example: time exists everywhere, and people on earth experience the passage of time in the same way, but time zones are a social construct. There is little inherent value in pieces of paper, but we say that paper money has great worth; that is a social construct. A person's external genitalia are objective and physical, and a person's sex is related to their chromosomes and external genitalia, but gender is a social construct that is rooted in sex/biology.

Social constructs are important. When a 5-year-old points at the sky, a tree, a person, or even their own genitalia they are trying to make sense of the world. Constructs are designed to make sense of the world. That penis signifies something in our social world. When kids start pointing at things and society starts saying that penis can mean anything you want it can get confusing at the very least.

Using my Christian values. Men have roles in child rearing and other things as do women. Those roles are clearly defined in the Bible. In my "narrow-minded" Christian value system a dick means you are a man, the vagina means you are a woman. God/Jesus clearly defines this for me. The moment I deviate from God's plan and design I am deviating from God/Jesus. When I die and I stand before Christ I highly doubt he will take into consideration that societal norms trumped his will and design.

The biblical understanding of male and female is more than just an assumption written large on the pages of Scripture. We know from Genesis 1 and 2 that the categories of male and female are a part of God’s design for humanity. Indeed, when God created the first human pair in his image, he created them male and female (Gen. 1:27). He made the woman to be a complement and help to the man (Gen. 2:18-22). Far from being a mere cultural construct, God depicts the existence of a man and a woman as essential to his creational plan. The two are neither identical nor interchangeable. But when the woman, who was taken out of man, joins again with the man in sexual union, the two become one flesh (Gen. 1:23-24). Dividing the human race into two genders, male and female, one or the other, not both, and not one then the other. It is not the invention of Victorian prudes or patriarchal oafs. It was God’s idea.

If the Bible is inconvenient for you try Islam or atheism or even the occult. They are always recruiting and looking for members and you would already have a leg up in disagreeing with Jesus and his teachings.

But I will repeat. We live in America not Heaven. Laws in this fallen world do not have to align with God's word. God gave us this gift of free will and commanding all the people of Earth to fall in line would be stealing someone's ability to exhibit their free will. Do as you will, I will do as I will.
 

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You are advocating bigotry and judgment about topics you don’t understand. Congratulations for not wanting to throw someone off a tall building. You are really an evolved and enlightened human being. 😏 The woman you are making fun of has accomplished more in her life than you ever will, even being the head case you suggest. That must really make you feel inadequate. Go ahead and lie to yourself about your wish to help dissuade her from her her dilution if it makes you feel superior. She spends her time trying to help people while you tear her down. You are a wind bag piece of shit who isn’t qualified to hold her purse.
'Member when you claimed i didn't understand COVID when I was in Manhattan....and then you didn't post for like 6 months? Lmaoooo
 

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The President of the United States with 29 million followers getting ratio'd by a fake cat with 1/29th of the following. Embarrassing.

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So you're saying all politicians should hang it up before the get a certain age and aren't fit to do the job? I agree. Set a cap at 70 max, no one can run for election/re-election after that, out of office by 76 for any politicians.

I would support this change to the Constitution. I think there is a large appetite in the populace for a move to set age limits.
 

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I would push term limits before age limits.
I wouldn't, but I'm not opposed to them. I probably want them to be longer than most would.

For clarity, I'm well aware term limits are incredibly easier to make happen than age limits are.
 

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Transgender people who transition STILL have much higher rates of suicide than the rest of us, even when adjusted for family support and acceptance. That's a good indication that transitioning isn't the answer to what's eating them. It's never been. It's like asserting that if society would be more accepting of another form of dysmorphia, anorexia, then the anorexic would be healthy and happy and their lifestyle choice would be perfectly fine, except we all know that's not so. Their weight and relationship with food isn't the real issue. It's the symtom and result of their real, underlying issue, and their dysmorphia is a delusion... and a very unhealthy one at that.

So it is with transgenders. It's a reaction to psychological problems, whether organic or event-related. We don't help the anorexic by playing along with their delusions about their body, encouraging them to go ahead and starve themselves, and we don't tell them what they're doing is healthy and good for them. We help them see reality, deal with the underlying issues causing their dysmorphia, and help them toward living a normal, healthy, reality-based life.

Same with transgender. You want to help them? Stop encouraging them to mutilate themselves and destroy their lives with drugs and hormones. You don't play along with the schizophrenic's delusions, so don't do it with transgenders. Telling them the truth and helping them deal with the underlying issues is a LOT more caring and decent and humane than what too many of you are now doing.
Exactly my point, after transitioning there's still people who treat them like dirt. Society isn't kind to them, as evidenced by yours and many others views of their existence.


OK, let's say that Levine isn't attractive to you. If all trans people who were once men and are now women are completely women in your eyes, then surely of the thousands of them, some must be your cup of tea looks wise. Tell us which ones you'd enthusiastically bed and be intimate with if you were single. I mean out of thousands of transgender real women of all ages and hair colors and features and all, there must be dozens you'd give your left arm to spend a hot, sweaty, monkeylove weekend with, right? Don't spin and twist and dodge. You claim they're women, totally women in every way, just as much as the ones born with a pair of X chromies, so put your money where your mouth is and show us a few you'd crawl over broken glass to nail.
I'm attracted to biological females? Male parts ain't attractive to me. Also, putting someone's existence purely on whether they're smashable is wrong. Many on here could post pictures of their current/former partners and I guarantee you I wouldn't sleep with some of them - doesn't mean that their partner isn't a woman.


Is it? Pretty sure when you come out of your mother's vagina they check your genitals and you are properly assigned. Gender has always been based and rooted in biology. There is a difference between "norms" and "constructs".

A social norm is an expectation that a person will do something because everyone else does it, or often does it. These norms can vary based on family, friend group, work environment, country, continent, etc. For example, among one group it might be a social norm that families always eat dinner together every day, while other people might emphasize the breakfast meal. In some societies, young people are expected to go to college (post-secondary education), while in other places they may not be expected to. In some cultures, the word of an elder is highly respected and their authority may not be challenged, while in other cultures younger people speak their minds without restraint.

A social construct is a way of looking at the world that is not defined by the laws of nature or physics but by mutual agreement among people in a society. For example: time exists everywhere, and people on earth experience the passage of time in the same way, but time zones are a social construct. There is little inherent value in pieces of paper, but we say that paper money has great worth; that is a social construct. A person's external genitalia are objective and physical, and a person's sex is related to their chromosomes and external genitalia, but gender is a social construct that is rooted in sex/biology.

Social constructs are important. When a 5-year-old points at the sky, a tree, a person, or even their own genitalia they are trying to make sense of the world. Constructs are designed to make sense of the world. That penis signifies something in our social world. When kids start pointing at things and society starts saying that penis can mean anything you want it can get confusing at the very least.

Using my Christian values. Men have roles in child rearing and other things as do women. Those roles are clearly defined in the Bible. In my "narrow-minded" Christian value system a dick means you are a man, the vagina means you are a woman. God/Jesus clearly defines this for me. The moment I deviate from God's plan and design I am deviating from God/Jesus. When I die and I stand before Christ I highly doubt he will take into consideration that societal norms trumped his will and design.

The biblical understanding of male and female is more than just an assumption written large on the pages of Scripture. We know from Genesis 1 and 2 that the categories of male and female are a part of God’s design for humanity. Indeed, when God created the first human pair in his image, he created them male and female (Gen. 1:27). He made the woman to be a complement and help to the man (Gen. 2:18-22). Far from being a mere cultural construct, God depicts the existence of a man and a woman as essential to his creational plan. The two are neither identical nor interchangeable. But when the woman, who was taken out of man, joins again with the man in sexual union, the two become one flesh (Gen. 1:23-24). Dividing the human race into two genders, male and female, one or the other, not both, and not one then the other. It is not the invention of Victorian prudes or patriarchal oafs. It was God’s idea.

If the Bible is inconvenient for you try Islam or atheism or even the occult. They are always recruiting and looking for members and you would already have a leg up in disagreeing with Jesus and his teachings.

But I will repeat. We live in America not Heaven. Laws in this fallen world do not have to align with God's word. God gave us this gift of free will and commanding all the people of Earth to fall in line would be stealing someone's ability to exhibit their free will. Do as you will, I will do as I will.

You're free to preach whatever religion you want. I'm not personally a religious person (raised catholic) anymore, but I obviously have no ill will towards religious people (as NoDak points out I cheer for a catholic football team). The second someone's religion intrudes on another person's day to day life that's problematic. You preach that others are free to do what they will, but when someone wants agency over their body you demand they shouldn't? That doesn't exactly square up with "do as you will, I will do as I will".

Bro you cheer for Notre Dame lol. Would love to hear the Catholic message in support of mutilation.
Buddy, I fully understand that Notre Dame the institution will have different thoughts than mine. That doesn't stop me from supporting the large majority of what the school does.
 

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You're free to preach whatever religion you want. I'm not personally a religious person (raised catholic) anymore, but I obviously have no ill will towards religious people (as NoDak points out I cheer for a catholic football team). The second someone's religion intrudes on another person's day to day life that's problematic. You preach that others are free to do what they will, but when someone wants agency over their body you demand they shouldn't? That doesn't exactly square up with "do as you will, I will do as I will".

We have drug laws, right? Do you oppose drug laws? Fentanyl should be legal? Assisted suicides legal? How about seat belt laws? Why do we have them? I hate seat belts, they oppress my ability to do jumping jacks while I drive. There are many laws on the books that oppress peoples ability to have agency over their own body.

When we speak of gender issues your “norms” are pushing I change my language and conform to your ideologues. When you tell me my religion oppressive, you are telling me how to worship and practice my religion. In my religion Jim isn’t Janet just because he claims he is so I should not be subject to go along with Jim’s nonsense. You are free to call Jim whatever you want. You are trying to take agency over my mouth and my language.

Does a baby have agency over their body when they are aborted?
 
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Exactly my point, after transitioning there's still people who treat them like dirt. Society isn't kind to them, as evidenced by yours and many others views of their existence.



I'm attracted to biological females? Male parts ain't attractive to me. Also, putting someone's existence purely on whether they're smashable is wrong. Many on here could post pictures of their current/former partners and I guarantee you I wouldn't sleep with some of them - doesn't mean that their partner isn't a woman.




You're free to preach whatever religion you want. I'm not personally a religious person (raised catholic) anymore, but I obviously have no ill will towards religious people (as NoDak points out I cheer for a catholic football team). The second someone's religion intrudes on another person's day to day life that's problematic. You preach that others are free to do what they will, but when someone wants agency over their body you demand they shouldn't? That doesn't exactly square up with "do as you will, I will do as I will".


Buddy, I fully understand that Notre Dame the institution will have different thoughts than mine. That doesn't stop me from supporting the large majority of what the school does.
Supporting "trans" people involves therapy. Counseling. Not cutting off their genitals. This isn't hard.

My buddy was schizophrenic. I didn't tell him that the FBI was following him. Pretending a man is a woman doesn't help anyone. Or vice versa.
 
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