Biden Presidency

[drayer54]

Where did you see that these are SCI docs?

They’ve acknowledged some were top-secret. They haven’t discussed why they were there or who had access. They sat on this since before the election, so we’ve had time to think. I’m surprised they didn’t burn them on Jill’s gas stove.

 

[Irish#1]

Is Biden refusing to return them? Did he keep them because he feels they belong to him and not the United States government? Did he have his lawyers falsely tell law enforcement that he returned all the docs and there are no more? Did he accuse his lawyers of planting the docs?

I am positive that this will not resonate with you because you don't care, but when it comes to classified docs, intent drives the legal consequences.

No one is supporting what Trump did. The question is why did Joe have these when he shouldn't have? You know what's really bad? Him saying he didn't know he had them or what was in them! Then why did you have them? I'm glad they were turned over, but this doesn't excuse him.

“People know I take classified documents, classified information seriously,” the president said, drawing an implicit contrast with Trump’s fight to keep many more documents that he hoarded at his Mar-a-Lago resort after leaving office.

He said he was surprised when he learned about the discovery, that he didn’t know what was in the files, that they were in a locked closet and that his lawyers immediately turned them over to the National Archives and Records Administration.

Surprised T, C & G haven't posted their outrage over this. No I'm not.

 

[jprue24]

They’ve acknowledged some were top-secret. They haven’t discussed why they were there or who had access. They sat on this since before the election, so we’ve had time to think. I’m surprised they didn’t burn them on Jill’s gas stove.

Do you have a link, I haven't seen that. Still doesn't mean they are SCI though.

 

[jprue24]

No one is supporting what Trump did. The question is why did Joe have these when he shouldn't have? You know what's really bad? Him saying he didn't know he had them or what was in them! Then why did you have them? I'm glad they were turned over, but this doesn't excuse him.

Nah, I think you are reaching here.

While a little nuanced, there are some very clear differences between these two situations.

- Biden wasn't willfully retaining the docs, Trump was.
- When discovered, Biden immediately turned the documents over to the National Archives. Trump wouldn't have a situation is he just returned the documents when asked. Not when he found them, just when they asked for them back.

Here is what Comey said about the Hillary classified documents situation...

"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."

Now apply what gets prosecuted to what doesn't. As I mentioned before, intent is everything.

 

[Irish#1]

I agree there are differences between the two instances, but that doesn't mean either should be off the hook.

From CNN

According to available evidence so far, Biden appears to be giving it to Americans straight – as he promised to do on the campaign trail. Yet that does not mean he shouldn’t have to answer questions about how the documents came to be in that Washington, DC, office, whether they were secured and why he didn’t alert the country to the discovery sooner, given the extreme sensitivity of the issue amid special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal investigation into Trump’s retention of classified information.

Biden's documents drama gives Republicans a fresh narrative to use against him | CNN Politics

It won't be as "easy" as President Joe Biden hopes to quell the furor over classified documents unearthed in his post-vice presidential office.

www.cnn.com

 

[Irish#1]

From CNN.com

A long-awaited border visit minus any migrants​

How did Biden visit an aid center at the border during an admitted crisis and fail to encounter any actual migrants?

“There just weren’t any at the center when he arrived,” a senior administration official said in Priscilla Alvarez and MJ Lee’s report for CNN. “Completely coincidental. They haven’t had any today.”

Granted, border crossings have dropped in the new year.

But Alvarez and Lee point to on-the-ground reporting from CNN’s Rosa Flores that “hundreds of migrants, including children, were living on the street after crossing into the United States in El Paso. And nearly 1,000 additional migrants were in federal custody in detention facilities in El Paso on Sunday, according to the City of El Paso’s migrant dashboard.”

 

[ulukinatme]

From CNN.com

The officials here completely disregarded all the military vehicles sweeping the migrants out of there a day earlier

 

[GoIrish41]

I’m disturbed that anyone has classified documents among their personal items. There may be differences in number or intent to hold onto them (because copiers aren’t a thing?), but this is an awful look for Biden and anyone responsible for keeping track of these documents. And no, that doesn’t mean what Trump did should be excused. They can be cellmates for all I care. Nobody is above the law!

 

[drayer54]

Second batch. My guess is that they were related to Ukraine to support the family business. But since he’s a D, it’s likely just a packing error…

 

[ulukinatme]

If I had to guess, a lot of Presidents probably end up with documents marked Confidential in their possession after office. Lots of paperwork comes across their desks over 4 years. Some of it is marked Confidential but probably isn't quite that important and gets forgotten about. It gets shuffled in with other paperwork and some documents stashed away without knowing it. Sounded like Trump kept a few for mementos, but I wouldn't be surprised if Obama, Bush, and Bill didn't have a few copies.

 

[irishff1014]

If I had to guess, a lot of Presidents probably end up with documents marked Confidential in their possession after office. Lots of paperwork comes across their desks over 4 years. Some of it is marked Confidential but probably isn't quite that important and gets forgotten about. It gets shuffled in with other paperwork and some documents stashed away without knowing it. Sounded like Trump kept a few for mementos, but I wouldn't be surprised if Obama, Bush, and Bill didn't have a few copies.

But the lefts closets are more secure…..

 

[drayer54]

If I had to guess, a lot of Presidents probably end up with documents marked Confidential in their possession after office. Lots of paperwork comes across their desks over 4 years. Some of it is marked Confidential but probably isn't quite that important and gets forgotten about. It gets shuffled in with other paperwork and some documents stashed away without knowing it. Sounded like Trump kept a few for mementos, but I wouldn't be surprised if Obama, Bush, and Bill didn't have a few copies.

I had secret clearance for 7 years and would have been punished severely if anything marked was in my home.

 

[Irish#1]

But the lefts closets are more secure…..

I chuckled when I read he said they were in a "secure closet". Sitting right next to his Timberline boots?

 

[drayer54]

I chuckled when I read he said they were in a "secure closet". Sitting right next to his Timberline boots?

A think tank (fake job) funded by China employing a group currently in office and in the cabinet had docs tied to Ukraine and Iran and the story was withheld when it happened because people were voting. Millions accepted from Chinese donors and now multiple instances. You have to be a true partisan hack to think this is just nothing.

 

[sixstar]

Where did you see that these are SCI docs?

It's not on public media yet.

 

[Blazers46]

Who’s classified document story is worse, that’s what our political discourse has come to 😂 😂

 

[drayer54]

Who’s classified document story is worse, that’s what our political discourse has come to 😂 😂

Nah, it’s the continuing lack of scrutiny to this administration. Everything’s good though because he isn’t Trump.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It looks bad, despite the cooperation and the obvious differences of what was taken, how much and where it was compared to DJT.

We probably need to rethink what people in the White House are taking with them when they leave office to become private citizens again. I don't understand why anyone should be taking anything classified once their term is up.

 

[drayer54]

It looks bad, despite the cooperation and the obvious differences of what was taken, how much and where it was compared to DJT.

We probably need to rethink what people in the White House are taking with them when they leave office to become private citizens again. I don't understand why anyone should be taking anything classified once their term is up.

Did DJT have a drug addicted son who was chronically needing cash and engaged in questionable foreign business dealings and obvious criminal activity with access to classified material related to those foreign nations whom he was taking large sums of money from?

Maybe it was there because they were making money???

 

[jprue24]

Did DJT have a drug addicted son who was chronically needing cash and engaged in questionable foreign business dealings and obvious criminal activity with access to classified material related to those foreign nations whom he was taking large sums of money from?

Maybe it was there because they were making money???

No, Trump has a favored son-in-law put in charge of peace in the Middle East. Kushner was only given a clearance after Trump ordered it (I think he was denied 3 times) and received a two billion dollar investment from the Saudi royal family once Trump left office.

 

[TorontoGold]

No, Trump has a favored son-in-law put in charge of peace in the Middle East. Kushner was only given a clearance after Trump ordered it (I think he was denied 3 times) and received a two billion dollar investment from the Saudi royal family once Trump left office.

Yeah the Kushner's have always been known to be straight shooters and above board in all their dealings. It's just media bias that paints Kushner co in a bad light.

Brought to you by the same people that swear a law enforcement agency is leftist lmao.

 

[Irish#1]

No, Trump has a favored son-in-law put in charge of peace in the Middle East. Kushner was only given a clearance after Trump ordered it (I think he was denied 3 times) and received a two billion dollar investment from the Saudi royal family once Trump left office.

This is what has been bad about politics for a long time. The cronies getting their piece left and right. Been going on for ages. Biden has gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. From initial reports it looks like Trump had more docs than Joe, but for all we know what Joe had might be more damning.

Just funny how some ranted about Trump and the documents, but either make excuses for Biden, stay silent or try to divert back to Trump.

 

[jprue24]

This is what has been bad about politics for a long time. The cronies getting their piece left and right. Been going on for ages. Biden has gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. From initial reports it looks like Trump had more docs than Joe, but for all we know what Joe had might be more damning.

Just funny how some ranted about Trump and the documents, but either make excuses for Biden, stay silent or try to divert back to Trump.

What do you mean by "hand in the cookie jar"?



I'm going to keep going back to intent. It really is the key factor when it comes to consequences.

As @drayer54 has said, he would definitely get punished for taking classified material home. He also knows, if he took the docs home by accident he would have a much less severe punishment than if he had taken them on purpose.

With what we know right now, Biden wouldn't get prosecuted for what he has (or hasn't) done. Definitely subject to change.

 

[Blazers46]

The comedy. How does one accidentally take classified documents? The White House and political discourse is a comedy routine.

 

[Irish#1]

What do you mean by "hand in the cookie jar"?



I'm going to keep going back to intent. It really is the key factor when it comes to consequences.

As @drayer54 has said, he would definitely get punished for taking classified material home. He also knows, if he took the docs home by accident he would have a much less severe punishment than if he had taken them on purpose.

With what we know right now, Biden wouldn't get prosecuted for what he has (or hasn't) done. Definitely subject to change.

He's found to have classified documents at his residence.

I'm not disagreeing that there may be different degrees of intent. Punishment should be meted out accordingly. Like one guy getting a ticket for going 10 over the limit and another guy going 20 over. Until we find out what is in those docs, it's hard to know what Biden's intent was. If it's about Hunter and the Ukranian deals, then it will be hard to deny it was intentional.

 

[RDU Irish]

Definitely need to raid Jill's underwear drawer to set this straight.

 

[Irish#1]

I have no idea where this ends up, but when the left media writes articles on their favorite son, it can't be good.

How White House missteps exacerbated Biden's classified documents headache | CNN Politics

Joe Biden is facing the worst political crisis of his presidency after a failed attempt at damage control over his classified documents controversy landed him with what all White Houses dread -- the naming of a special counsel.

www.cnn.com

 

[Irish#1]

NY Times has been digging into this.

Emails Link Hunter to Penn Biden Think-Tank as Charges Seem Imminent | Headline USA

(Headline USA) Federal charges against Hunter Biden for alleged illegal tax deductions may be imminent, according to the New York Times. David Weiss, the U.S. attorney for Delaware who has been investigating Biden for alleged tax fraud and money laundering, is close to deciding whether to...

headlineusa.com

 

[drayer54]

NY Times has been digging into this.

Emails Link Hunter to Penn Biden Think-Tank as Charges Seem Imminent | Headline USA

(Headline USA) Federal charges against Hunter Biden for alleged illegal tax deductions may be imminent, according to the New York Times. David Weiss, the U.S. attorney for Delaware who has been investigating Biden for alleged tax fraud and money laundering, is close to deciding whether to...

headlineusa.com

Weird. I was told this was a nothing burger because the garage door had a lock, and he was transparent about it after sitting on it for two months.

 

[jprue24]

I have no idea where this ends up, but when the left media writes articles on their favorite son, it can't be good.

How White House missteps exacerbated Biden's classified documents headache | CNN Politics

Joe Biden is facing the worst political crisis of his presidency after a failed attempt at damage control over his classified documents controversy landed him with what all White Houses dread -- the naming of a special counsel.

www.cnn.com

CNN isn't what it used to be since Chris Licht took over. He has a stated goal of changing the negative opinion of Republicans.