Biden Presidency

[TorontoGold]

He didn't support Putin. He simply said the actions he took were brilliant. Using irishog77's analogy, OSU's strategy in the second half was brilliant. Does that mean I support OSU or are a fan of theirs?

Trumps delivery of that statement was typical Trump. Much like the UV light or bleach comments, he could have said those better, but he didn't and people want to take them out of context. Trump needs to keep his mouth shut, but his ego wins out over his brain way too often.

l o l come on man, there is no need to be purposefully obtuse. It is exactly like if Clinton made comments about 9/11 the hours after it had happened.

How can anyone take these comments "out of context", these are absolutely ridiculous things to say when ally gets attacked. You don't undermine your country you're supposedly loyal to.

"So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That's [the] strongest peace force,"

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent,"

"I'm gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent,' 'and we're gonna go out and we're gonna go in and we're gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that's pretty savvy."

Nobody has even said the comments themselves are insane (which they are), but the action of making these comments the night of a large international event is so destabilizing. I can't believe you're trying to both sides this and deflect away from how stupid these are to make.

 

[GowerND11]

l o l come on man, there is no need to be purposefully obtuse. It is exactly like if Clinton made comments about 9/11 the hours after it had happened.

How can anyone take these comments "out of context", these are absolutely ridiculous things to say when ally gets attacked. You don't undermine your country you're supposedly loyal to.

"So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That's [the] strongest peace force,"

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent,"

"I'm gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent,' 'and we're gonna go out and we're gonna go in and we're gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that's pretty savvy."

Nobody has even said the comments themselves are insane (which they are), but the action of making these comments the night of a large international event is so destabilizing. I can't believe you're trying to both sides this and deflect away from how stupid these are to make.

Doesn't he also mention he's known Putin a long time and Putin likes him? Again RED FLAGS

 

[TorontoGold]

Doesn't he also mention he's known Putin a long time and Putin likes him? Again RED FLAGS

How could I forget lol - but don't you see, the real issue is that media and people take it out of context, that is the problem. Глупый Гауэр не знает!!!

 

[ab2cmiller]

How could I forget lol - but don't you see, the real issue is that media and people take it out of context, that is the problem. Глупый Гауэр не знает!!!

I knew Toronto was spreading Russian disinformation all along. LOL

 

[RDU Irish]

JFC - Russia Collusion narrative is alive and well. BIDEN is the president, not Trump. You suckers really don't see how every single thing Trump has been accused of is 100% projection? Such narrowminded us/them, good/bad thinking. Reagan took flack for getting chummy with Gorbachev - pretty hard to advance peace when you do nothing but demonize the opposition.

Anyone else remember Obama telling Romney - "the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back" - you O'Biden lovers ate that up. Now you can't wait to be drug in to WW3 b/c Ukraine is predictably under attack.

 

[TorontoGold]

I knew Toronto was spreading Russian disinformation all along. LOL

stolichnaya pays better than Soros.

 

[RDU Irish]

Biden has been in DC for over one fifth of our nation's existence. The next time he makes a correct stance on foreign policy will be his first. How anyone places any faith in this idiot on any level is really amazing to me. 100% predicable, anyone in Taiwan should plan accordingly.

 

[GowerND11]

JFC - Russia Collusion narrative is alive and well. BIDEN is the president, not Trump. You suckers really don't see how every single thing Trump has been accused of is 100% projection? Such narrowminded us/them, good/bad thinking. Reagan took flack for getting chummy with Gorbachev - pretty hard to advance peace when you do nothing but demonize the opposition.

Anyone else remember Obama telling Romney - "the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back" - you O'Biden lovers ate that up. Now you can't wait to be drug in to WW3 b/c Ukraine is predictably under attack.

Oh come on. Putin didn't just magically like Trump after 2016. They've been pals a long time. I'm not blaming anything on either President. My point is, Trump wouldn't have stopped this because "he's tough on Russia"

 

[RDU Irish]

Oh come on. Putin didn't just magically like Trump after 2016. They've been pals a long time. I'm not blaming anything on either President. My point is, Trump wouldn't have stopped this because "he's tough on Russia"

How exactly do you know that? Obama gave up ground and so has Biden. Trump pounded the table for NATO to pick up their lax defense budgets - unprecedented. Berated Germany to their face on doubling down on Russian oil and gas. This shit show has been in the making for a long time and he is the only president to even try to move the needle the other direction.

Biden is president so whatever Trump has to say is irrelevant. B. Hussein Obama opened the door for previous presidents to criticize their successor, not Trump. And the analogy of Bill Clinton calling Bin Laden a genius falls a bit flat when the foreign policy half-wit-in-chief is well documented as being AGAINST taking him out when Obama made one of the few good decisions of his presidency. Biden has always sucked - even Barry was very clear that you "should never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up." Ringing endorsement - thank you 81 million people so easily triggered by mean tweets.

 

[GowerND11]

How exactly do you know that? Obama gave up ground and so has Biden. Trump pounded the table for NATO to pick up their lax defense budgets - unprecedented. Berated Germany to their face on doubling down on Russian oil and gas. This shit show has been in the making for a long time and he is the only president to even try to move the needle the other direction.

Biden is president so whatever Trump has to say is irrelevant. B. Hussein Obama opened the door for previous presidents to criticize their successor, not Trump. And the analogy of Bill Clinton calling Bin Laden a genius falls a bit flat when the foreign policy half-wit-in-chief is well documented as being AGAINST taking him out when Obama made one of the few good decisions of his presidency. Biden has always sucked - even Barry was very clear that you "should never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up." Ringing endorsement - thank you 81 million people so easily triggered by mean tweets.

Of course you have to say B. Hussein Obama. Of course... We can all read between those lines, even though you'll next deny anything because it's a classic tactic of yours and others.

My point wasn't that Trump would not have been able to stop Putin, maybe he would have. But I have a hard time believing it would be because Putin is afraid, and more to do with them being chummy. That's the issue at hand with Trump.

 

[TorontoGold]

How exactly do you know that? Obama gave up ground and so has Biden. Trump pounded the table for NATO to pick up their lax defense budgets - unprecedented. Berated Germany to their face on doubling down on Russian oil and gas. This shit show has been in the making for a long time and he is the only president to even try to move the needle the other direction.

Biden is president so whatever Trump has to say is irrelevant. B. Hussein Obama opened the door for previous presidents to criticize their successor, not Trump. And the analogy of Bill Clinton calling Bin Laden a genius falls a bit flat when the foreign policy half-wit-in-chief is well documented as being AGAINST taking him out when Obama made one of the few good decisions of his presidency. Biden has always sucked - even Barry was very clear that you "should never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up." Ringing endorsement - thank you 81 million people so easily triggered by mean tweets.

Former president making a complimentary statement about current dictator/terrorist initiating a war is exactly an ok analogy since Clinton did not make one about 9/11. Curious as to why so many rush to the defense of a pretty indefensible statement.

 

[drayer54]

Trump did stop Putin. Putin stayed in his pen for 4 whole years. He recognized we are vulnerable and planned his move. You don't need to wonder. It happened

 

[drayer54]

JFC - Russia Collusion narrative is alive and well. BIDEN is the president, not Trump. You suckers really don't see how every single thing Trump has been accused of is 100% projection? Such narrowminded us/them, good/bad thinking. Reagan took flack for getting chummy with Gorbachev - pretty hard to advance peace when you do nothing but demonize the opposition.

Anyone else remember Obama telling Romney - "the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back" - you O'Biden lovers ate that up. Now you can't wait to be drug in to WW3 b/c Ukraine is predictably under attack.

The last year has been great for Trump in terms of proving he was right and falsely accused on many things. Doesn't matter to those who hate him. It just demonstrates the alliance between the tech-media-dnc triangle that is pushing crap. My favorite is the new narrative that we're going to have expensive gas and groceries due to the Russian attack on Ukraine. It's a total narrative.

 

[TorontoGold]

The last year has been great for Trump in terms of proving he was right and falsely accused on many things. Doesn't matter to those who hate him. It just demonstrates the alliance between the tech-media-dnc triangle that is pushing crap. My favorite is the new narrative that we're going to have expensive gas and groceries due to the Russian attack on Ukraine. It's a total narrative.

 

[Irish#1]

l o l come on man, there is no need to be purposefully obtuse. It is exactly like if Clinton made comments about 9/11 the hours after it had happened.

How can anyone take these comments "out of context", these are absolutely ridiculous things to say when ally gets attacked. You don't undermine your country you're supposedly loyal to.

"So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That's [the] strongest peace force,"

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent,"

"I'm gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent,' 'and we're gonna go out and we're gonna go in and we're gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that's pretty savvy."

Nobody has even said the comments themselves are insane (which they are), but the action of making these comments the night of a large international event is so destabilizing. I can't believe you're trying to both sides this and deflect away from how stupid these are to make.

Obtuse? Thanks Andy. If you go back and read my comments, you will find that I said Trump shouldn't have said that, but don't let that tidbit dissuade you. The fact of the matter is, he didn't say he supported Putin or Russia. He's simply saying Putin's strategy is genius. What he should have said was, "While I don't condone Putins actions, from a military perspective this is genius." Somehow, though many would have still said he was supporting Putin.

 

[TorontoGold]

Obtuse? Thanks Andy. If you go back and read my comments, you will find that I said Trump shouldn't have said that, but don't let that tidbit dissuade you. The fact of the matter is, he didn't say he supported Putin or Russia. He's simply saying Putin's strategy is genius. What he should have said was, "While I don't condone Putins actions, from a military perspective this is genius." Somehow, though many would have still said he was supporting Putin.

Pal, I'm not sure why this isn't getting through but - the fact is, it's not ok to make those comments at all. You, under no circumstances "have to give it for" people like Putin/Hitler/Stalin etc. These are not people that should ever receive praise. If Person X said "Kim Jon-un said he was going to bring peace to North Korea by removing his exiled brother. Savvy move to assassinate him" you would say hmmmmm that is 100% the wrong thing to say and it shouldn't have ever been said. Rushing to defend the indefensible is not a good look, for a self proclaimed "not a Trump supporter" you should know better.

Idk maybe it's a radical snowflake idea to say praising Putin is wrong.

 

[drayer54]

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Are the walls still closing in from 2016? How bout them Russian bounties?

 

[TorontoGold]

Are the walls still closing in from 2016? How bout them Russian bounties?

Not sure, you should ask your Russian neighbors for more Kremlin talking points to parrot.

 

[MacIrish75]

How exactly do you know that? Obama gave up ground and so has Biden. Trump pounded the table for NATO to pick up their lax defense budgets - unprecedented. Berated Germany to their face on doubling down on Russian oil and gas. This shit show has been in the making for a long time and he is the only president to even try to move the needle the other direction.

Biden is president so whatever Trump has to say is irrelevant. B. Hussein Obama opened the door for previous presidents to criticize their successor, not Trump. And the analogy of Bill Clinton calling Bin Laden a genius falls a bit flat when the foreign policy half-wit-in-chief is well documented as being AGAINST taking him out when Obama made one of the few good decisions of his presidency. Biden has always sucked - even Barry was very clear that you "should never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up." Ringing endorsement - thank you 81 million people so easily triggered by mean tweets.

It’s hilarious to me the use of conjecture on either side of this argument. Conjecture on behalf of liberals thinking that the situation wouldn’t have played out differently under Trump, and conjecture by conservatives assuming it would’ve.

You’re all living in a world based on hypotheticals and driving yourselves crazy. I’ve got fraternity brothers—legit guys who used to hold each other’s legs doing kegstands—ready to rip each other’s carotid arteries out over this.

What good does any of that do you?

 

[drayer54]

Not sure, you should ask your Russian neighbors for more Kremlin talking points to parrot.

I'm not the only one in the world who thought they would use this for leverage or recognized that the Biden State Dept is not good at doing its job. But sure, I was wrong on them invading. Doesn't change the fact that liberal talking points and hysteria on Russia for 5 years now are 100% bullshit.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not the only one in the world who thought they would use this for leverage or recognized that the Biden State Dept is not good at doing its job. But sure, I was wrong on them invading. Doesn't change the fact that liberal talking points and hysteria on Russia for 5 years now are 100% bullshit.

You're right, I never accused of you thinking freely. You'll notice that many who held these views have direct ties to Russian State Media. No need to deflect to debates from past years, it's not relevant to the fact you parroted RT talking points last week and now are pivoting away from it. You got duped. Take ownership.

 

[drayer54]

I only pointed out what they were saying and that the Feb 16 prediction was wrong. I also pointed out how a deeply underwater POTUS would likely take opportunities for talking points at his SOTU. Something these a-holes would do. Your persistent disdain for me and the posts is rather refreshing.

 

[NorthDakota]

The point is you don't gleefully put out comments that support a dictator, that doesn't impact what Biden has/hasn't done. You can make arguments on what Biden has been ineffective with, while not trumpeting Russian talking points. Destabilizing your own country because you don't like the guy who beat you is not something that should be defended.

Your points about Biden being outplayed are fair to make. Trump's comments should be condemned by everyone.

Trump's comments offer little to condemn. Nothing wrong with stating an opposing party is smart or anything of that nature.

l o l come on man, there is no need to be purposefully obtuse. It is exactly like if Clinton made comments about 9/11 the hours after it had happened.

How can anyone take these comments "out of context", these are absolutely ridiculous things to say when ally gets attacked. You don't undermine your country you're supposedly loyal to.

"So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That's [the] strongest peace force,"

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent,"

"I'm gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent,' 'and we're gonna go out and we're gonna go in and we're gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that's pretty savvy."

Nobody has even said the comments themselves are insane (which they are), but the action of making these comments the night of a large international event is so destabilizing. I can't believe you're trying to both sides this and deflect away from how stupid these are to make.

Some folks don't speak Trump's language. Maybe you don't. Its not difficult but some folks don't have that ability. He says a ton of dumb stuff that he rightly gets dunked on for, but this didn't strike me as dunkable.

To me, it reads as mocking the Russian military as a peacekeeping force. Because its not. Hes saying you don't need that sort of force for that function.

Its not undermining the United States. But even if it was, liberal minded folks had Trump's back on zero things, even objective good things like turning that Iranian terror general into salsa.

FWIW, he reportedly told Putin if he ever tried doing something in Ukraine that he'd hit Moscow. Whether or not that's true, idk... but the idea that "oh Trump supports Russia invading a neighbor" is stupid with the quotes provided.

 

[drayer54]

Acting like Trump's comments were Pro-Putin would be as silly as me saying Psaki is serving Putin for wearing a stupid hat. I think she certainly serves Dem Dark money, but not Putin.

 

[irishtrooper]

I suppose it’s fair to say -
1 - Toronto Gold is a geo political GENIUS
2 - Biden is incompetent (at best)
3 - Trump absolutely owns every liberal person‘s brain. It’s insane how it ALWAYS goes back to him
4 - Trump was and quite likely is currently an @sshole. He was also right a lot, no matter what you think.

Nothing gets under people’s skin quite like a Biden is terrific, Trump is terrible debate.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I suppose it’s fair to say -
1 - Toronto Gold is a geo political GENIUS
2 - Biden is incompetent (at best)
3 - Trump absolutely owns every liberal person‘s brain. It’s insane how it ALWAYS goes back to him
4 - Trump was and quite likely is currently an @sshole. He was also right a lot, no matter what you think.

Nothing gets under people’s skin quite like a Biden is terrific, Trump is terrible debate.

Why can't we all agree that both are terrible?

 

[TorontoGold]

Why can't we all agree that both are terrible?

This is the stance of most Leftists. Biden was like choice #7 in the Dem primaries.

 

[ab2cmiller]

This is the stance of most Leftists. Biden was like choice #7 in the Dem primaries.

LOL, that's because Biden was not far enough left. God help us all.

 

[TorontoGold]

LOL, that's because Biden was not far enough left. God help us all.

Bingooooooo

Could you imagine he did anything remotely progressive aside from some ribbon cutting type statements? I think the US would burn down.

 

[TorontoGold]

I suppose it’s fair to say -
1 - Toronto Gold is a geo political GENIUS
2 - Biden is incompetent (at best)
3 - Trump absolutely owns every liberal person‘s brain. It’s insane how it ALWAYS goes back to him
4 - Trump was and quite likely is currently an @sshole. He was also right a lot, no matter what you think.

Nothing gets under people’s skin quite like a Biden is terrific, Trump is terrible debate.

The comment was on statements he made recently, keep up. If you want to see what's still in people brains you can check above for the victim complex that many have still 2016.