Biden Presidency

[Irish#1]

4 US Marines killed in explosions.

Scores of afghan civilians killed.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghani...on-11629976397

Biden had cited the risk of a terror attack among the reasons for getting US troops out of the country by August 31. He had also promised a swift and forceful response to any disruption to the operation.

JFC Joe. Grow a pair and get your shit together.

 

[Sea Turtle]

JFC Joe. Grow a pair and get your shit together.

That would be a real good idea.. And it's just getting worse. Now the number of US soldiers killed is up to 10.

 

[Blazers46]

Over/Under on when we hear from President Biden… I say 7pm eastern. It’s been 5 hours and crickets.

12 American service members now confirmed dead. Fuck!!

 

[Irish#1]

Toronto, you've been very quiet since this started. What's your thoughts?

 

[Greenore]

4 US Marines killed in explosions.

Scores of afghan civilians killed.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghani...on-11629976397

God bless and protect them all. So needless...

Say it ain't so, Joe, please
Say it ain't so
That's not what I wanna hear, Joe
And I got a right to know

Say it ain't so, Joe, please
Say it ain't so
I'm sure they telling us lies, Joe
Please tell us it ain't so

They told us our hero had played his trump card
He doesn't know how to go on
We're clinging to his charm and determined smile
But the good old days have gone

Great song that seems so much more poignant and equally desperate now.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Roger Daltry's version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bVGTVrQd6M

 

[IrishRazor82]

Stop blaming Biden and start blaming the party. We know Biden isn't deciding/leading anything and Kamala does not get to start with a clean slate.

There is blood on their hands, avoidable blood.

 

[TorontoGold]

Toronto, you've been very quiet since this started. What's your thoughts?

It's a nightmare. As a pacifist the situation is deplorable. Personally, think a lot of people should be on their way to the Hague. Would start that with Barry and W. For non-US, Tony Blair come on down, maybe Brian Mulroney for his role in the 91 Gulf war.

I'm trying to just read what people are posting in these threads going forward, not interested in a back and forth with 6 people at once.

 

[RDU Irish]

Tinfoil hat says this withdrawal was FUBAR on purpose to drag us back in. Military Industrial Complex gonna do Military Industrial Complex things. I get Biden being incompetent (some of us kind of knew that) but all the other people involved almost couldn't F this up worse on purpose.

 

[Blazers46]

General Kenneth McKenzie - Commander, US Central command just said they are working with the Taliban and sharing intel with the Taliban… same Taliban we were bombing and fighting just literally weeks ago. Very weird!!

Its like Opposite Day.

 

[Irish#1]

Stop blaming Biden and start blaming the party. We know Biden isn't deciding/leading anything and Kamala does not get to start with a clean slate.

There is blood on their hands, avoidable blood.

There's blame to go around for Bush, Obama and Trump on how we stayed there so long, but that's not what's at issue here. We're talking about exiting and the disaster that has resulted, so Joe gets the blame. If Trump was in office during this I suspect there would be plenty of posters hammering away on Trump right now and deservingly so. The decision to pull out and the deadline that was set belongs to Joe. He made this a talking point during the campaign. What makes things worse is Joe refuses to acknowledge that this has been a disaster of epic proportions. He's made one excuse after another saying all of this was inevitable. In reality, he's passing the buck.

 

[Irish#1]

It's a nightmare. As a pacifist the situation is deplorable. Personally, think a lot of people should be on their way to the Hague. Would start that with Barry and W. For non-US, Tony Blair come on down, maybe Brian Mulroney for his role in the 91 Gulf war.

I'm trying to just read what people are posting in these threads going forward, not interested in a back and forth with 6 people at once.

I think we're all pacifist. None of us want the bombings and killing. Forget about GB, Blair, etc. I'd like to know your thoughts on Biden's decision to pull troops so quickly, the lack of communication with our allies, the unwillingness to acknowledge what a cluster f@#$ this has become, etc.

 

[Blazers46]

There's blame to go around for Bush, Obama and Trump on how we stayed there so long, but that's not what's at issue here. We're talking about exiting and the disaster that has resulted, so Joe gets the blame. If Trump was in office during this I suspect there would be plenty of posters hammering away on Trump right now and deservingly so. The decision to pull out and the deadline that was set belongs to Joe. He made this a talking point during the campaign. What makes things worse is Joe refuses to acknowledge that this has been a disaster of epic proportions. He's made one excuse after another saying all of this was inevitable. In reality, he's passing the buck.

I ask because I’ve been so busy lately and MIA on just about everything… but wasn’t Trumps “deal” to pullout contingent on the Taliban holding up their end of “deal” as well that they obviously didn’t live up to?

 

[Irish#1]

General Kenneth McKenzie - Commander, US Central command just said they are working with the Taliban and sharing intel with the Taliban… same Taliban we were bombing and fighting just literally weeks ago. Very weird!!

Its like Opposite Day.

Well we did help them run Russia out of there a while back. What goes around comes around.

 

[Irish#1]

I ask because I’ve been so busy lately and MIA on just about everything… but wasn’t Trumps “deal” to pullout contingent on the Taliban holding up their end of “deal” as well that they obviously didn’t live up to?

Trump was negotiating with them. IIRC talks broke down because he finally realized they couldn't be trusted. I said before I agree with Biden that we don't need to be there. If the terrorists start shit up again, go smoke 'em and be done.

IMO with his COVID plan not working as expected Biden was looking for a win to push his trillion dollar spending spree and set an unrealistic withdrawal date so he could say we got out before the anniversary of 9/11. Makes everyone happy and easier to get his plan passed. This should have been planned with our allies and orchestrated over a period of time so people and equipment could have exited more safely. I would have been happy with that.

 

[TorontoGold]

I think we're all pacifist. None of us want the bombings and killing. Forget about GB, Blair, etc. I'd like to know your thoughts on Biden's decision to pull troops so quickly, the lack of communication with our allies, the unwillingness to acknowledge what a cluster f@#$ this has become, etc.

Honestly, there's really no point for me to post my thoughts on this. It doesn't make sense for me to post about my displeasure with Biden when so many on here would never in a million years think about posting a criticism about their lord and savior.

Why would I provide a criticism of someone for people who would never seriously post criticisms previously? "Mean tweets", that's the only thing they disagreed with? Talk about kissing the ring. Not interested in getting the football pulled away. Some real howlers I've seen in here like negotiating with the Taliban etc. when if they spent a second looking further at it they would be a little sheepish before admonishing the new guy. Oops. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/25/mike-pompeo-taliban-timeline/

Many here need a space to voice their opinions on this, watching this unfold I'm extremely apathetic, what did people expect when the crime bill guy and who was there when Barry bombed Yemen into the ground got elected? Did we expect everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya? Christ.

I think my silence on this speaks to my stance. If you need refence to where I stand, I honestly think it aligns pretty closely with RDU (on this subject).

 

[drayer54]

It's not a kumbaya, it's consistent incompetence and terrible leadership. The plan was awful and Biden has been 100% wrong at every step. Our allies are holding our President in contempt. It's the biggest strategic blunder this country has committed since arguably Vietnam, if not further. You can't minimize this. Obama would have never missed this bad, certainly not Trump. Our State Department belongs in jail for this level of negligence. Americans are dead and about to be abandoned because of this train wreck.

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[RDU Irish]

Honestly, there's really no point for me to post my thoughts on this. It doesn't make sense for me to post about my displeasure with Biden when so many on here would never in a million years think about posting a criticism about their lord and savior.

Why would I provide a criticism of someone for people who would never seriously post criticisms previously? "Mean tweets", that's the only thing they disagreed with? Talk about kissing the ring. Not interested in getting the football pulled away. Some real howlers I've seen in here like negotiating with the Taliban etc. when if they spent a second looking further at it they would be a little sheepish before admonishing the new guy. Oops. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/25/mike-pompeo-taliban-timeline/

Many here need a space to voice their opinions on this, watching this unfold I'm extremely apathetic, what did people expect when the crime bill guy and who was there when Barry bombed Yemen into the ground got elected? Did we expect everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya? Christ.

I think my silence on this speaks to my stance. If you need refence to where I stand, I honestly think it aligns pretty closely with RDU (on this subject).

Really need to learn ho to add Gifs - some choice Palpatine or Darth Vader come to mind.

I am on the fence on if I prefer from this point for Biden to A) unleash all hell or B) tuck his dick further and finish running away.

 

[RDU Irish]

It's not a kumbaya, it's consistent incompetence and terrible leadership. The plan was awful and Biden has been 100% wrong at every step. Our allies are holding our President in contempt. It's the biggest strategic blunder this country has committed since arguably Vietnam, if not further. You can't minimize this. Obama would have never missed this bad, certainly not Trump. Our State Department belongs in jail for this level of negligence. Americans are dead and about to be abandoned because of this train wreck.

As bad as the miss is - it's still fucking Afghanistan. Just amazing how quickly everyone's ego gets in a twist over being "embarrassed" - you deploy troops to a shithole fourth world country and bad shit can happen and eventually will happen which is why you should hole up in Bagram if you are sticking around. Which is why you should never do it without a damn clear mission in mind. Reality is - win or lose Afghanistan does not change anything in 99% of American's lives outside of their feelings.

You also shouldn't be a "defense official" if feeling "clean" is your top concern. We need mean, dirty SOBs to do mean, dirty work.

 

[TorontoGold]

Really need to learn ho to add Gifs - some choice Palpatine or Darth Vader come to mind.

I am on the fence on if I prefer from this point for Biden to A) unleash all hell or B) tuck his dick further and finish running away.

Assuming this was you when I said our views align on this.

 

[Rogue219]

Not entirely surprised that the answer to what is unfolding is turning out to be "more war" for so many.

 

[drayer54]

As bad as the miss is - it's still fucking Afghanistan. Just amazing how quickly everyone's ego gets in a twist over being "embarrassed" - you deploy troops to a shithole fourth world country and bad shit can happen and eventually will happen which is why you should hole up in Bagram if you are sticking around. Which is why you should never do it without a damn clear mission in mind. Reality is - win or lose Afghanistan does not change anything in 99% of American's lives outside of their feelings.

You also shouldn't be a "defense official" if feeling "clean" is your top concern. We need mean, dirty SOBs to do mean, dirty work.

I understand it's Afghanistan. However, we put ourselves in a corner and were forced to listen (not negotiate) to the Taliban. We've been at the mercy of the Taliban for the last few weeks. We didn't get our people out before the military left. If we knew the Taliban would take back the country, why didn't we give this people a path out before? Why didn't we rush this once the Taliban advance became obvious? Why the hell did we not hold onto Bagram for geographic purposes if not strategic purposes? We should have held Bagram anyways. Why did we do this in the Afghan fighting season? Why are we sharing intel with the Taliban? How could we have not loaded the Taliban with chunks of cash, planes, choppers, firearms, and more? All of it is a mess and it's not just because it is Afghanistan.

The State Department talking about the representative and diverse Taliban and then these go to the airport but your safety is not ensured message is an international embarrassment. I have zero faith in the Biden Admin to do anything right.

 

[drayer54]

Not entirely surprised that the answer to what is unfolding is turning out to be "more war" for so many.

There's a reason we were there. We had zero deaths for several months going into today by providing a strategic deterrence force. We had locations to launch strikes and monitor the region. Now we have nothing but a country that is well-armed care of our taxpayers and filled with people who know nothing but war and hate. This decision to abandon the region will undoubtedly lead to bloodshed here. So yes, I'm all for "more war"

 

[tussin]

There's a reason we were there. We had zero deaths for several months going into today by providing a strategic deterrence force. We had locations to launch strikes and monitor the region. Now we have nothing but a country that is well-armed care of our taxpayers and filled with people who know nothing but war and hate. This decision to abandon the region will undoubtedly lead to bloodshed here. So yes, I'm all for "more war"

I agree. I think withdrawal certainly creates additional instability in the Middle East and will ultimately endanger Americans at home when Al Qaeda and ISIS fill the void.

 

[TorontoGold]

There's a reason we were there. We had zero deaths for several months going into today by providing a strategic deterrence force. We had locations to launch strikes and monitor the region. Now we have nothing but a country that is well-armed care of our taxpayers and filled with people who know nothing but war and hate. This decision to abandon the region will undoubtedly lead to bloodshed here. So yes, I'm all for "more war"

 

[TDHeysus]

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Sleepy Joe and his lists.....sending lists to Russia / Talley-Ban (as joe says); sending 'strongly worded' letters and such. He's had a rough week, I think he's due for a waffle cone filled with some CornPop ice cream.

 

[drayer54]

I'm sure the Afghan allies whose names we just provided to the Taliban who will witness their families being burned alive or beheaded before receiving equal or more cruel treatment are going to also have a ton of hate for the US. Good luck finding help in this country in the future.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm sure the Afghan allies whose names we just provided to the Taliban who will witness their families being burned alive or beheaded before receiving equal or more cruel treatment are going to also have a ton of hate for the US. Good luck finding help in this country in the future.

Read any of the below, and let me know if those costs were worth it. Aren't we supposed to not like someone like Liz Cheney because she's a warhawk? Or was that all lip service because she was a big meanie to dear leader?

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

 

[Blazers46]

In response to Joe’s reading of the teleprompter written by someone else… YOU CANT FIGHT ANYONE IF YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY!!

 

[Blazers46]

Read any of the below, and let me know if those costs were worth it. Aren't we supposed to not like someone like Liz Cheney because she's a warhawk? Or was that all lip service because she was a big meanie to dear leader?

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

Looks to me America was sort of “pot committed” if we want to use a poker term. The majority of those costs in dollars and lives were decades ago. At the end of the withdrawal we have essentially thrown up the white flag and are currently making concessions to and putting trust into the very same people we were throwing bombs at not so long ago.

 

[Bishop2b5]

For our friends on the Left, why did you vote for Biden? Serious question. Aside from the "Anybody but Trump" thing, why did you actually vote for him and want him as president? What part of his legislative or executive history, his agenda, his views, his personality, what he said, his campaign, etc. convinced you that he was the one? I know exactly why I vote for who I vote for, but I'm genuinely curious as to what convinced you to vote for Joe and why.