BCS Rankings: 2012

[HereComeTheIrish]

Most of the fun of the bball tourney is watching little teams come out of nowhere to compete with the big boys which is something that simply doesn't happen in cfb for a number of reasons. Four is a perfect number and should allow for an undefeated, dominant, and deserving Boise or MAC school to possibly sneak in if deserved. Voters currently won't give them a #1 or #2 national championship appearance but I think would be willing to give them a shot to prove themselves as a #4. The biggest concern in cfb right now is doing something about this SEC love fest so we don't have 4 SEC battling it out for a championship since they all manage to avoid each other during the regular season.

It doesn't happen because there is no platform for it to happen. Bottom line...

 

[DillonHall]

Say what you will about the BCS, but by the end of the season, it's been largely successful in matching the two best teams for the NC game.

 

[ACamp1900]

The best way to crown a "true champion" is by playing a long and meaningful reg season (largest sample) and taking the best record at the end, period... the worst way is to play a long reg. season, throw it out the window completely and then use a crap shoot one and done to crown a champion... cbb is entertaining as all heck, but it's the least legitmate title in American sports for my money. Playoffs work for what they were created for, tie breakers at the seasons end... never liked a playoff by default model.

just my feelings.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The best way to crown a "true champion" is by playing a long and meaningful reg season (largest sample) and taking the best record at the end, period... the worst way is to play a long reg. season, throw it out the window completely and then use a crap shoot one and done to crown a champion... cbb is entertaining as all heck, but it's the least legitmate title in American sports for my money. Playoffs work for what they were created for, tie breakers at the seasons end... never liked a playoff by default model.

just my feelings.

Which is literally impossible for football so a playoff is the best way to decide it.

 

[ACamp1900]

Which is literally impossible for football so a playoff is the best way to decide it.

I would argue there are years were a playoff isn't needed though... this also isn't an either-or thing imo

 

[NDPhilly]

I would argue there are years were a playoff isn't needed though... this also isn't an either-or thing imo

Aka this year. ND is the only undefeated eligible BCS team.

 

[ACamp1900]

Aka this year. ND is the only undefeated eligible BCS team.

Yup, or if one team goes unbeaten and every other team has two loses... why bother???

but money will always find a reason...

anyway, that's how I feel about it... to each their own.

 

[PraetorianND]

The best way to crown a "true champion" is by playing a long and meaningful reg season (largest sample) and taking the best record at the end, period... the worst way is to play a long reg. season, throw it out the window completely and then use a crap shoot one and done to crown a champion... cbb is entertaining as all heck, but it's the least legitmate title in American sports for my money. Playoffs work for what they were created for, tie breakers at the seasons end... never liked a playoff by default model.

just my feelings.

When there are 7 1 loss teams and one 0 loss team you can't go by record.

Bama, UGA, UF, UO, KSU, Kent State, and Northern Illinois all have the same record...

 

[ickythump1225]

The best way to crown a "true champion" is by playing a long and meaningful reg season (largest sample) and taking the best record at the end, period... the worst way is to play a long reg. season, throw it out the window completely and then use a crap shoot one and done to crown a champion... cbb is entertaining as all heck, but it's the least legitmate title in American sports for my money. Playoffs work for what they were created for, tie breakers at the seasons end... never liked a playoff by default model.

just my feelings.

I agree with the sentiment but there's no way to play a balanced schedule in CFB so a playoff wouldn't be a bad thing. In the EPL everyone plays everyone twice so at the end of the year the team with the most points is the best as the season is really just a round robin tournament. I've argued for a while the baseball playoffs aren't needed. But with football I can see the need for a playoff.

 

[brandonnash]

+1. With no post season games and solely based on win loss you will have every team playing the worst teams possible to try and go 12-0. Playoffs are necessary. It takes away the human bias and leaves it to the teams. It gives the sun belts and macs their chance at something that would never happen in the current system. Not likely but possible. And none of this 4 team junk. Needs to be 16-32 teams.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I bet it is as few as the other years becuase the regular season has been meaningless as long ad you have watched it. but i doubt that stops you from watching Butler games during March Madness?

The rest of your argument is completely false. If ND would have lost to USC we could still be in the top 6. Furthermore, every other game I mentioned would have had no bearing on the top 6. You wouldn't have been at the edge of your seat as Stanford beat Oregon. You wouldn't have blinked at tAm beating Bama, and the SEC championship would have been nothing but a game to seed two teams in the playoff. The current system is a season long version of March Madness.

MLB also goes against your logic. MLB has been slowly declining in viewership over the last 50 years to the point that it can't even be considered America's game anymore. The biggest reason being that no on cares about their long regular season thy serves no purpose other than to seed a bunch of playoff teams.

I appreciate you letting me know which games I would and wouldn't be interested in. Are you suggesting that I or many others wouldn't watch college football regular season if there was an 8 team playoff? I can only speak for myself and I'll tell you it wouldn't change a damn thing for me. As far as your statement about watching Butler, I think that makes my point that a playoff increases viewership of a playoff after a season.

I realize ND would still have been in the top 6 had they lost to USC, but that wasn't my argument. Rather, I said if OU and KState had won out, ND would have been on the outside looking in. Agree or disagree? Further, had they lost and there was no playoff, would you feel the system was right if there were 6 or 7 teams with 1 loss and ND had no shot at winning the title? Bama/Georgia would get settled, but Fla., Oregon, Stanford, KState, and ND would all have 1 loss, so who is no. 1? How do you settle the ND, Stanford, Oregon argument? ND would have lost to a team that Stanford and Oregon beat, while ND beat Stanford head to head and Stanford beat Oregon. Zero clarity. Kind of reminds me of '93, no?

As far as MLB goes, you are wrong with your 50 year argument, but maybe you were just trying to make a point. I will agree that viewership has dropped over recent years, but to suggest that it's because more teams are in the wild card hunt doesn't hold water. I would suggest there are other factors that have caused the waning interest in baseball. First the whole steroid issue was crushing. Second, they haven't kept up w technology (i.e. use of replays). Third, dumb all star winner gets WS home field. Fourth it's just a slow game and in todays high scoring fast action world, it's going the way of soccer. You are correct, the season is too long, but knowing the Rockies had a chance for the wild card certainly kept many fans atttention in Colorado during the 07 season, did it not?

Anyway, we can agree to disagree. Not looking for a protracted disagreement. You don't like the idea, I respect that. I do like the idea, hope you can respect that. I'm calling it good. Go Irish.

 

[woolybug25]

I appreciate you letting me know which games I would and wouldn't be interested in. Are you suggesting that I or many others wouldn't watch college football regular season if there was an 8 team playoff? I can only speak for myself and I'll tell you it wouldn't change a damn thing for me. As far as your statement about watching Butler, I think that makes my point that a playoff increases viewership of a playoff after a season.

I realize ND would still have been in the top 6 had they lost to USC, but that wasn't my argument. Rather, I said if OU and KState had won out, ND would have been on the outside looking in. Agree or disagree? Further, had they lost and there was no playoff, would you feel the system was right if there were 6 or 7 teams with 1 loss and ND had no shot at winning the title? Bama/Georgia would get settled, but Fla., Oregon, Stanford, KState, and ND would all have 1 loss, so who is no. 1? How do you settle the ND, Stanford, Oregon argument? ND would have lost to a team that Stanford and Oregon beat, while ND beat Stanford head to head and Stanford beat Oregon. Zero clarity. Kind of reminds me of '93, no?

As far as MLB goes, you are wrong with your 50 year argument, but maybe you were just trying to make a point. I will agree that viewership has dropped over recent years, but to suggest that it's because more teams are in the wild card hunt doesn't hold water. I would suggest there are other factors that have caused the waning interest in baseball. First the whole steroid issue was crushing. Second, they haven't kept up w technology (i.e. use of replays). Third, dumb all star winner gets WS home field. Fourth it's just a slow game and in todays high scoring fast action world, it's going the way of soccer. You are correct, the season is too long, but knowing the Rockies had a chance for the wild card certainly kept many fans atttention in Colorado during the 07 season, did it not?

Anyway, we can agree to disagree. Not looking for a protracted disagreement. You don't like the idea, I respect that. I do like the idea, hope you can respect that. I'm calling it good. Go Irish.

I see that you are getting mad and if someone wants to read my former posts, then they can see where I have addressed all of your points.

ps - I didn't magically make up the argument on the long season killing baseball. It is a shared opinion of most of the MLB beat guys. Furthermore, to answer your question, no... people gave up on the Rockies very early and they had one of their worst attendance years in history.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I see that you are getting mad and if someone wants to read my former posts, then they can see where I have addressed all of your points.

ps - I didn't magically make up the argument on the long season killing baseball. It is a shared opinion of most of the MLB beat guys. Furthermore, to answer your question, no... people gave up on the Rockies very early and they had one of their worst attendance years in history.

Not mad, just responding. We can disagree, I'm cool w that.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

SBNation's Andy Hutchins just posted the best defense of ND's season that I've read yet. And he's a Florida fan.

Notre Dame, the best SEC team not in the SEC

Notre Dame's opponents also don't play each other as much as teams in a conference play each other, so coaches can't glean many insights from tape of a yearly foe meeting another team with familiar personnel, and the school's refusal to play FCS teams means the Irish sometimes have to rack up wins over one BCS-league team after another, like they did 11 times in 2012.

No other team in America has even 10 of those.

And though the obvious flaw in that argument based on numbers is that they were mostly compiled against the Big Ten and ACC, Notre Dame's riposte involves pointing at two wins over teams (Oklahoma and Stanford) that could go to BCS bowls. That's more than Alabama (none), Georgia (Florida), Florida (Florida State), Oregon (none), Kansas State (Oklahoma), Florida State (none), and Ohio State (none) currently have. Stanford's beaten Oregon and UCLA, but, if Stanford gets in, then UCLA won't be a BCS team anyway.

 

[ickythump1225]

SBNation's Andy Hutchins just posted the best defense of ND's season that I've read yet. And he's a Florida fan.

Notre Dame, the best SEC team not in the SEC

Great article. It's even better that it comes from a fan of a team in the SEC. Even my Gator fan wife is going around defending Notre Dame. She made the mistake of listening to the local talk radio and she came home and was like "I hope you guys CRUSH whichever team you play! I'm tired of everyone dismissing you guys."