BCS Rankings: 2012

[Junkhead]

Coaches poll is out. Got one first place vote (Brian Kelly... Lol).

Was it seriously Kelly? nice

 

[Downinthebend]

He voted ND #2 last week, it isn't that surprising.

 

[stlnd01]

I think its absurd to say that the point of the game is to match up the two best teams. What if Alabama last year had played 12 FCS teams, they would still have been the best (ignore OSU for the moment) yet would have not played anyone. Are you ok with that? The "best" is so subjective that it should be ditched entirely. We don't want the two "best" teams in the game we want the two most deserving teams.

Speak for yourself.
Personally I want to see the teams that are best and most deserving. You could make the case that an undefeated minor-conference school is "more deserving" - like, say, some Boise State squads - than an elite one-loss team like last year's Alabama. But I think we all know who the better team is.
For sure, part of being great in college football is simply being good enough to win week-in and week-out. The mental toughness required to win all your games is so rare. But it's not the only criteria. You also need to prove yourself against good teams - which Alabama did last year (they did beat Florida, Auburn and Arkansas). It helps if you can pass the eyeball test, too, which is why Oregon's #1 right now.

Anyway, I think the current system actually gets it right most years. I understand Okie State's gripe last year, but I think the results in the end showed that 'Bama was the best team in the country. And there's still three weeks of games left. Plenty of time to get it right this year, too.

 

[Downinthebend]

Speak for yourself.
Personally I want to see the teams that are best and most deserving. You could make the case that an undefeated minor-conference school is "more deserving" - like, say, some Boise State squads - than an elite one-loss team like last year's Alabama. But I think we all know who the better team is.
For sure, part of being great in college football is simply being good enough to win week-in and week-out. The mental toughness required to win all your games is so rare. But it's not the only criteria. You also need to prove yourself against good teams - which Alabama did last year (they did beat Florida, Auburn and Arkansas). It helps if you can pass the eyeball test, too, which is why Oregon's #1 right now.

Anyway, I think the current system actually gets it right most years. I understand Okie State's gripe last year, but I think the results in the end showed that 'Bama was the best team in the country. And there's still three weeks of games left. Plenty of time to get it right this year, too.

The problem is that your "eye test" is different for everybody. How do you create a system worth anything by using something so subjective?

 

[IHateMarkMay]

The problem is that your "eye test" is different for everybody. How do you create a system worth anything by using something so subjective?

Easy. My vision is perfect, no contacts or glasses. ND is #1.

 

[ickythump1225]

What the **** is up with the AP voting AL #4, one spot ahead of Georgia? Voters were paid off after the game to make sure Bama stayed in the NCG discussion, despite the fact that they are the very definition of a paper tiger.

SEC Competition that Bama has played, through yesterday: 43-37, 21-33 in the SEC!! That includes Aggies, Tigers and Bulldogs records. They are the most overrated SEC team and that is saying something.

Alabama is a better team than Georgia, their loss was worse, and if you think Alabama's had a cupcake schedule well UGA's schedule makes theirs look like Murderer's Row. There might not be a more overrated team in the nation than UGA.

 

[DSully1995]

Alabama is a better team than Georgia, their loss was worse, and if you think Alabama's had a cupcake schedule well UGA's schedule makes theirs look like Murderer's Row. There might not be a more overrated team in the nation than UGA.

Wow just checked their schedule, they only had 2 legit games Scar( loss) and UF (win) and they finish out with Gergia southrn and GT, pathetic

 

[stlnd01]

Wow just checked their schedule, they only had 2 legit games Scar( loss) and UF (win) and they finish out with Gergia southrn and GT, pathetic

Pathetic is the only word to describe Georgia's schedule (even their win over Florida required six turnovers.) Embarrassing might be another, but I don't think they realize that some schools actually play decent non-conference opponents (or even good teams in the other division of their conference).

But I'd think they probably lose to Alabama in the SEC title game, so they'll drop to 7th. Maybe 8th if it's a blowout.

 

[ickythump1225]

Pathetic is the only word to describe Georgia's schedule (even their win over Florida required six turnovers.) Embarrassing might be another, but I don't think they realize that some schools actually play decent non-conference opponents (or even good teams in the other division of their conference).

But I'd think they probably lose to Alabama in the SEC title game, so they'll drop to 7th. Maybe 8th if it's a blowout.

I actually think that UGA might be more talented across the board than Alabama but the difference is discipline and coaching. Nick Saban is a far superior coach to Richt and his teams are usually disciplined and have few penalties. I just simply don't believe Richt is a "big game" coach either as he frequently gets outcoached in the big ones.

 

[NDTH91]

Does anyone think that there's ANY chance that we hop ahead of Oregon by the slimmest of margins? It's hard to tell, but it looks like we may have closed the gap by a LITTLE bit in the human polls (points wise). Do you guys think that Bama losing will ultimately help us gain ground on Oregon in the computers (i.e. a 1 loss Bama still ranks higher than an undefeated Oregon, but falls behind an undefeated ND), or will it just be a wash?

Like many of you, I think it will all work itself out, but I sure would love to see the #2 next to Notre Dame for the next week

EDIT: After further review, Oregon actually improved their lead in the human polls (by 8 pts in the Harris and 4 pts in the USA Today), but it still looks like the computer polls have a chance to help us out. I don't have a great understanding of how all of the individual computer polls rank though, so we will just wait and see I guess.

 

[ALLGATOR]

I actually think that UGA might be more talented across the board than Alabama but the difference is discipline and coaching. Nick Saban is a far superior coach to Richt and his teams are usually disciplined and have few penalties. I just simply don't believe Richt is a "big game" coach either as he frequently gets outcoached in the big ones.

100 percent agree, Georgia is loaded with talent but Richt is a mediocre coach.

 

[Downinthebend]

Does anyone think that there's ANY chance that we hop ahead of Oregon by the slimmest of margins? It's hard to tell, but it looks like we may have closed the gap by a LITTLE bit in the human polls (points wise). Do you guys think that Bama losing will ultimately help us gain ground on Oregon in the computers (i.e. a 1 loss Bama still ranks higher than an undefeated Oregon, but falls behind an undefeated ND), or will it just be a wash?

Like many of you, I think it will all work itself out, but I sure would love to see the #2 next to Notre Dame for the next week

EDIT: After further review, Oregon actually improved their lead in the human polls (by 8 pts in the Harris and 4 pts in the USA Today), but it still looks like the computer polls have a chance to help us out. I don't have a great understanding of how all of the individual computer polls rank though, so we will just wait and see I guess.

When do the scores come out for the computers?

 

[NDTH91]

When do the scores come out for the computers?

8:30 on BCS Countdown on ESPN as far as I know.

 

[Downinthebend]

Which dorm is it that lights a light on the top of their building when ND is #1?

 

[drayer54]

UGA sucks. The dog too.

 

[drayer54]

Also, if we jump either team.. it will be after the USC game. Kelly needs to RUN IT UP on USC.... If we're sitting at 3 after USC, might as well book tickets to Pasadena...

 

[NDTH91]

Which dorm is it that lights a light on the top of their building when ND is #1?

Grace Hall. However, it is no longer a dorm, but is now a bunch of faculty offices with a cafe on the first floor. They do putt "BEAT (insert team that we play that week)" in the North side windows every week though. I always love seeing that.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Also, if we jump either team.. it will be after the USC game. Kelly needs to RUN IT UP on USC.... If we're sitting at 3 after USC, might as well book tickets to Pasadena...

Not really

If ND is #3 after the USC game, presumably ND has won that game, and Oregon would still need to play in the PAC12 championship game Friday Nov 30th against either USC (who were competitive with them in their league game, and can beat them obviously), or against UCLA. While I'd still bet on Oregon straight-up in either of those games, neither would be a gimme for the Ducks.

Additionally, KSU still need to beat Texas on Dec 1st. Again, straight-up I'd pick KSU in the game (especially with the crappy D that Texas has shown most of the year), but it is another game that is by no means a gimme for KSU.

 

[BroMontana]

I know this isn't popular with BK but if we beat USC in our last game, it's time to campaign. Urban Meyer set the precedent when he campaigned against an OSU v UM rematch...so it IS possible to sway voters with a good campaign speech. AFTER the USC game would be the only time for this of course.

 

[philipm31]

where would you have put Bama?

BEHIND UGA, AT LEAST. Not that it really matters cuz they will settle it on the field in ATL. Just seemed hypocritical to me. Certainly in front of FL.

 

[irishfan1122]

Just looked at the polls. How many current Top 25 (AP) teams had ND beat.... 3 (Oklahoma, Stanford, and Michigan). How many has KSU beat... 1 (Oklahoma).

Harris Poll... ND = 3 (Same teams). KSU = 2 (Oklahoma and TT)

If that's not bias I don't know what is.

 

[ickythump1225]

BEHIND UGA, AT LEAST. Not that it really matters cuz they will settle it on the field in ATL. Just seemed hypocritical to me. Certainly in front of FL.

It will get settled in Atlanta but Alabama is a better team than UGA. UGA got embarrassed by USCe by 4 touchdowns. Also, they have the easiest schedule of any "contender" I've ever seen. Just take a look at their schedule one time. I know we all rag on Alabama for their creampuff schedule but it looks like a crucible compared to UGA.

 

[Downinthebend]

Lets hear #2 O:

 

[NCDomer]

If (when) we beat USC, I'd prefer to see Swarbrick lobbying for the NC game. It's more in the AD's lane than a coach's. ADs negotiate schedules, sit down with conference officials, etc.

With that said, I could see a split NC if 2 teams finish undefeated. The AP poll could very well vote ND #1 if ND handily beats Bama (or some other SEC team) while Oregon and KSU battle it out in a close game.

 

[PraetorianND]

If (when) we beat USC, I'd prefer to see Swarbrick lobbying for the NC game. It's more in the AD's lane than a coach's. ADs negotiate schedules, sit down with conference officials, etc.

With that said, I could see a split NC if 2 teams finish undefeated. The AP poll could very well vote ND #1 if ND handily beats Bama (or some other SEC team) while Oregon and KSU battle it out in a close game.

The question is, would we claim a title in that case?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I wonder how far we will be from #2?

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Downinthebend]

top three separated by .27

 

[ohara831]

Close enough to catch up with good showings and whipping USC. Of course, ESPN seems to think not.

 

[Rocky2820]

Let's please stop any talk now about a one-loss SEC team passing any of the three undefeateds, including ND. Not going to happen.