BCS Rankings: 2012

[phork]

You guys don't get it. Because The rest of these teams were already log jammed, besides KSU, there is no room to move. Polls, human, are not going to drop a team for a victory. And especially now that said teams are heading in to the teeth of their schedule.

Alabama's only chance to lose is to LSU this week. I don't see anyone else beating them, even in the championship game. So All In for the Mad Hatter.
KSU is not going to lose with that slate.
Oregon is not going lose with their schedule either.

Now anything can happen. Road games tend to do that. This is why they actually play the games. However we have to start being content in knowing that 12-0 is getting us to the BCS to possibly face another 12-0 team.

The Fiesta bowl is licking their chops, but I can see the Sugar bowl **** blocking instead of taking their SEC fill-in. Bowl destinations: Sugar, Rose or Fiesta. Tradition dictates the Sugar takes SEC and Rose take Pac12, they would be down right stupid not to take a 12-0 ND team.

Could you imagine the tears of sadness in the BIG10 if we got the PACs Rosebowl slot and jack hammered the BIG champ? Oh it would be so delicious.

 

[philipm31]

Unfortunately, you are probably right. ND will get jobbed out of the title game no matter what, if Oregon or KSU go undefeated the rest of the way.

Personally I would love to go to another Sugar Bowl so we could take on the SEC representative (and it is closer to home), but sadly I will have to settle for going to the Liberty Bowl in Memphis and watching the Irish on TV again this year, no matter where they end up. I just hope they are the team doing the celebrating this time around in a BCS game.

I think that honestly KSU and ND both get jobbed and end up in AZ for one of the best Fiesta Bowls, ever....with an Irish victory, of course.

 

[MPClinton22]

What really bugs me is if all of the top 4 go undefeated we would have the same marquee victories as the other 3 teams.

KSU:
Oklahoma (and we won more impressively)

Oregon:
USC
Stanford

Alabama:
Michigan

So if we COLLECTIVELY will have the marquee victories that every other top 4 team has, it's a load of bulls**t for us to get left out. And we will be left out if we all win out.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whiskey, you miss my point.

I understood you, and you're not wrong. But that's why I asked you to refrain from reinforcing such illogical bullsh!t. Because it is. Every time we acknowledge it as a real possibility, the SEC agitprop that ESPN keeps driving gets a little stronger.

A world in which the SEC fails to compete for the MNC is possible. #BELIEVE

 

[woolybug25]

What really bugs me is if all of the top 4 go undefeated we would have the same marquee victories as the other 3 teams.

KSU:
Oklahoma (and we won more impressively)

Oregon:
USC
Stanford

Alabama:
Michigan

So if we COLLECTIVELY will have the marquee victories that every other top 4 team has, it's a load of bulls**t for us to get left out. And we will be left out if we all win out.

Bama would have LSU and whoever they play in the SEC championship as marquee victories as well.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Bruce Feldman ‏@BFeldmanCBS
Brad Edwards says Notre Dame has by far the least chance of the 4 unbeatens to get to title game based on BCS formula.
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Well this tweet has ruined my morning. Wow

 

[koonja]

Bruce Feldman ‏@BFeldmanCBS
Brad Edwards says Notre Dame has by far the least chance of the 4 unbeatens to get to title game based on BCS formula.
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Well this tweet has ruined my morning. Wow

Rest easy, we have the easiest schedule of the 4 remaining teams. I made this this morning, fwiw.

Alabama remaining schedule:

@LSU. I'd give them 66% chance of winning.
Vs. #16 Texas A&M. 75% chance of winning.
Vs. Western Kentucky. 99% chance of winning.
Vs. Auburn. 95% chance of winning.
SEC championship 65% chance of winning.
That's ~ 30% chance of remaining undefeated.

Oregon remaining schedule:

@USC (7 pt favs) 65% chance of winning.
@ California 95% chance of winning.
Vs. Stanford 70% chance of winning.
@Oregon State 75% chance of winning.
That's ~32% chance of staying undefeated.

KSU remaining schedule:

Vs. Oklahoma State 60% chance of winning.
@ TCU 75% chance of winning.
@ Baylor 65 % chance of winning.
@ Texas 75% chance of winning.
That's ~ 22% chance of staying undefeated.

These are obviously made up, but I like our chances if we remain undefeated. Almost guaranteed a spot at the top. We have the easiest remaining schedule from here on out, and while we should coast through the next 3 games, these teams will be in serious battles. Someone is bound to slip up.

 

[MPClinton22]

Bama would have LSU and whoever they play in the SEC championship as marquee victories as well.

Oh right, good point. Let me edit it to say of the 3 other unbeatens, I think that proves we should play Bama in the title game.

 

[koonja]

Can't wait to cheer for the mad hatter, night game, in the beaux. Going to be crazy.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Rest easy, we have the easiest schedule of the 4 remaining teams. I made this this morning, fwiw.

Alabama remaining schedule:

@LSU. I'd give them 66% chance of winning.
Vs. #16 Texas A&M. 75% chance of winning.
Vs. Western Kentucky. 99% chance of winning.
Vs. Auburn. 95% chance of winning.
SEC championship 65% chance of winning.
That's ~ 30% chance of remaining undefeated.

Oregon remaining schedule:

@USC (7 pt favs) 65% chance of winning.
@ California 95% chance of winning.
Vs. Stanford 70% chance of winning.
@Oregon State 75% chance of winning.
That's ~32% chance of staying undefeated.

KSU remaining schedule:

Vs. Oklahoma State 60% chance of winning.
@ TCU 75% chance of winning.
@ Baylor 65 % chance of winning.
@ Texas 75% chance of winning.
That's ~ 22% chance of staying undefeated.

These are obviously made up, but I like our chances if we remain undefeated. Almost guaranteed a spot at the top. We have the easiest remaining schedule from here on out, and while we should coast through the next 3 games, these teams will be in serious battles. Someone is bound to slip up.

Like the optimism man. Hope it works out for us. Although, if both Oregon and Alabama make it out of this weekend unscathed. Commence Freak Out

 

[koonja]

Oregon's remaining schedule is a nightmare. They will lose. Note it! I also expect KSU to drop one.

 

[Irish#1]

we should be ahead of everybody right now, if the bcs was logical. 8 wins against major conference teams, two top ten wins(blowouts) on the road.

bama, oregon, and kstate have all played a mid major, and a fcs team.

Our road to 8-0 has been tougher than any other teams, regardless of how our opponents have fared after they played us

IF scUM, BYU and MSU would have played as predicted before the season started, we would probably be #2 right now. We need all of our opponents to keep winning (except for Pitt, WF and USC) to improve our SOS. And of course just the opposite for OU, KSU & Bama.

To me it looks like KSU will go undefeated. Oregon has a legitimate chance to drop one (Stanford) while Bama's best chance to drop one is this week. Can we give Les a QB with chest so they can pull one out?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Oregon's remaining schedule is a nightmare. They will lose. Note it! I also expect KSU to drop one.

This is the best team Chip Kelly has ever had(no question). I'd give them about a 5% chance of losing. Their offense is a sight to behold. I hope you're right obviously but just can't see it. Honestly, imo they're the best team in the country. I know they haven't played anyone. But anyone that has seen them play, has to realize they're a juggernaut. I expect them to beat USC by three touchdowns. Although, that is why they play the games.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I think Kansas St.'s best chance to lose is this weekend against Oklahoma St. If Oklahoma St. can avoid turning over the ball (KState has a plus 15 turnover margin) I think they got a great chance. One of the top offenses in the nation and their D has gone the last 7 quarters with only giving up 7 points against two quality teams in Iowa St. and TCU. Defense has been making some big strides.

I hold out zero hope that Texas can beat Kansas St. They can't tackle their way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[condoms SUCk]

^^ this

 

[phork]

IF scUM, BYU and MSU would have played as predicted before the season started, we would probably be #2 right now. We need all of our opponents to keep winning (except for Pitt, WF and USC) to improve our SOS. And of course just the opposite for OU, KSU & Bama.

To me it looks like KSU will go undefeated. Oregon has a legitimate chance to drop one (Stanford) while Bama's best chance to drop one is this week. Can we give Les a QB with chest so they can pull one out?

It doesn't matter. Oregon and KSU got there first, and they won't move from the PEOPLE vote without a loss. This really hasn't come down to about how tough our opponents are or are not. They got to 2 and 3 first, we didn't. Now had we beat all those teams more impressively, now you are on to something.

Win out, let the rest take care of itself.

 

[Downinthebend]

If we beat USC, Oregon beats USC, that win isn't that good. If Stanford loses to Oregon and drops another game, that win won't be that good. If Oregon st lulz's another game or two (very possible), then that loss isn't that good. Oregon wouldn't have played any good team.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

we should be ahead of everybody right now, if the bcs was logical. 8 wins against major conference teams, two top ten wins(blowouts) on the road.

Neither BYU nor Navy are "major conference" teams.

 

[MJ12666]

It will be very difficult to move up in the Coaches poll without a loss by any of the teams above ND. Coaches are going to favor teams in their conference and even coaches in over conferences will probably favor other conference teams rather then ND. Does anyone believe ND will receive any favorable treatment from coaches in the major conferences? Additionally, I don't believe that the Coaches poll votes are published until the final vote which provides some insulation to negative publicity regarding their votes.

While the bias won't be as dramatic in the Harris poll, I would assume that it will also be there to some extent.

 

[OrlaNDomer]

I fully expect BK to vote us #1 IF and when we are 12-0 which could possibly be the difference between being 2-3 in the end.

Edit: I believe he said he is currently voting us #4 in an interview.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Here are the facts:

We beat Purdue (3-5, 0-4) on a last-second field goal. We beat Michigan (5-3, zero quality wins) 13-6 despite them turning the ball over 6 times; Bama beat them by 27. We trailed BYU (5-4, zero quality wins) for a large portion of the game and ended up with a 3-point victory; this was a week after Oregon State's backup quarterback roasted BYU in an 18-point victory in Provo.

We know how good this team is and can be. We know that we can play with anyone in the country. But if you look at our schedule, it's very easy to ask questions. It's very easy to look at our resume and say, "This isn't the #2 team in the country." It's very easy for the haters to hate.

So we're gonna need help. Obviously it would be a godsend for Bama, Oregon or K-State to lose. But we need help from our opponents.

Navy plays FAU, Troy, Texas State and Army. They could conceivably run the table and finish 9-3. BYU finishes with Idaho, SJSU and NMSU. We need them to get to 8-4. We need MSU to beat Nebraska next weekend in East Lansing. We need Michigan to to go 3-0 (Minny, NW, Iowa) heading into the Ohio State game. We need Oklahoma to win out. We need USC and Stanford to keep winning (preferably against Oregon).

EDIT: By the way, Michigan is not winning the B1G, Oklahoma is not winning the Big 12, and neither USC nor Stanford are winning the Pac-12.

 

[irishpat183]

Here are the facts:

We beat Purdue (3-5, 0-4) on a last-second field goal. We beat Michigan (5-3, zero quality wins) 13-6 despite them turning the ball over 6 times; Bama beat them by 27. We trailed BYU (5-4, zero quality wins) for a large portion of the game and ended up with a 3-point victory; this was a week after Oregon State's backup quarterback roasted BYU in an 18-point victory in Provo.

We know how good this team is and can be. We know that we can play with anyone in the country. But if you look at our schedule, it's very easy to ask questions. It's very easy to look at our resume and say, "This isn't the #2 team in the country." It's very easy for the haters to hate.

So we're gonna need help. Obviously it would be a godsend for Bama, Oregon or K-State to lose. But we need help from our opponents.

Navy plays FAU, Troy, Texas State and Army. They could conceivable run the table and finish 9-3. BYU finishes with Idaho, SJSU and NMSU. We need them to get to 8-4. We need MSU to beat Nebraska next weekend in East Lansing. We need Michigan to to go 3-0 (Minny, NW, Iowa) heading into the Ohio State game. We need Oklahoma to win out. We need USC and Stanford to keep winning (preferably against Oregon).

^^This.

We can admit it or not...but because our opponents have taken sh*ts since we've played them....our schedule isn't as tough as we thought it would be.

But it's still a tough schedule to go 12-0 against. And again, we don't play FCS schools.

 

[phgreek]

^^This.

We can admit it or not...but because our opponents have taken sh*ts since we've played them....our schedule isn't as tough as we thought it would be.

But it's still a tough schedule to go 12-0 against. And again, we don't play FCS schools.

...Man its good to be here. I had us at 8 wins...looks like I'll be right for a few more days...hehehe.

At the beginning of the season, if you would have told me we'd be undefeated heading into this stretch, I would have bet the house we'd be #1 or #2. But...sadly the truth is...people we beat kinda went on to fold up. Sucks, but, true.

I still think its BS that Kstate is ahead of us...

 

[mick2]

so what if they suck after we play them,

6 of our wins are against teams with winning records.

Also, a casual fan could most likely name all of our opponents mascots, can you tell me missouri st's/tennessee techs's/western carolina's w/o using google????

Give me a break! we should be #2 right now, and thats giving bama the benefit of being defending NC, otherwise we really should be #1!

please tell me who has done more than us, up til this point in the season!

 

[Riddickulous]

so what if they suck after we play them,

6 of our wins are against teams with winning records.

Also, a casual fan could most likely name all of our opponents mascots, can you tell me missouri st's/tennessee techs's/western carolina's w/o using google????

Give me a break! we should be #2 right now, and thats giving bama the benefit of being defending NC, otherwise we really should be #1!

please tell me who has done more than us, up til this point in the season!

Therein lies the problem. USC is the only "quality" opponent left on the schedule, and by the time bowl season comes around, they could have 5 losses.

This is who we have left: 4-4 Pitt, 2-6 BC, 4-4 Wake Forest, and a probable 8-3 USC.

Alabama: LSU, 6-2 TAMU, Western Carolina, Auburn, SEC East Champion

Kansas State: Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU

Oregon: USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Pac-12 title game


If Oregon wins out, they'll have beaten three teams currently ranked (one possibly twice in USC), while we will have beaten one. Doesn't hurt that they have a conference title game to improve their ranking.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Imagine the scenario where Bama, ND, Oregon, and Kstate all go undefeated, however unlikely. Each team would have a LEGITIMATE claim to a shot at the national title. There would be uproar and backlash like nothing ever seen in college football and the NCAA would never live it down. It would get especially ugly if Oregon and ND were the teams on the outside looking in.

In this scenario, is there any possibility the NCAA would file some sort of addendum to the current BCS format for this year? The template has already been established for 2014. I know this is kind of far-fetched, but any thoughts?

 

[Patulski]

Everett Golson accounted for more Total Yards passing and rushing against Oklahoma than Colin Klein did.

 

[mick2]

Therein lies the problem. USC is the only "quality" opponent left on the schedule, and by the time bowl season comes around, they could have 5 losses.

This is who we have left: 4-4 Pitt, 2-6 BC, 4-4 Wake Forest, and a probable 8-3 USC.

Alabama: LSU, 6-2 TAMU, Western Carolina, Auburn, SEC East Champion

Kansas State: Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU

Oregon: USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Pac-12 title game


If Oregon wins out, they'll have beaten three teams currently ranked (one possibly twice in USC), while we will have beaten one. Doesn't hurt that they have a conference title game to improve their ranking.

i know, but we've done enough right now to be #2 at least. no one has done more than us as of today.

someone of the top four will lose, as long as it's not us we'll be fine.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Imagine the scenario where Bama, ND, Oregon, and Kstate all go undefeated, however unlikely. Each team would have a LEGITIMATE claim to a shot at the national title. There would be uproar and backlash like nothing ever seen in college football and the NCAA would never live it down. It would get especially ugly if Oregon and ND were the teams on the outside looking in.

In this scenario, is there any possibility the NCAA would file some sort of addendum to the current BCS format for this year? The template has already been established for 2014. I know this is kind of far-fetched, but any thoughts?

I feel like we have this discussion every single year after 8, 9, 10 weeks of the season, and things have pretty much always worked themselves out.

I don't like the growing notion around here that we are simply going to walk into the Coliseum 11-0 and steamroll USC.

 

[mick2]

I feel like we have this discussion every single year after 8, 9, 10 weeks of the season, and things have pretty much always worked themselves out.

I don't like the growing notion around here that we are simply going to walk into the Coliseum 11-0 and steamroll USC.

i dont like the growing notion that we are simply going to be 11-0. pitt and bc hate us and would love to ruin our parade and wake gave us trouble last year.

some guys say its ok for us fans to look ahead but I still feel wrong doing it sometimes.

BTW, by major conference, I meant no fcs teams. sorry