Baseball Trade Deadline

[irishfan]

Where in the hell did I say that? I just told you what his average was to date. Quit trying to put words in my mouth. You are the one that is trying to add numbers to his stats that he hasn't actually accomplished yet. But never, not once, have I said I expect him to not hit any more homers.

Not putting words in your mouth. You said he averages 22 homers a year when he's averaged 24.5 going into this season and is on pace for 26 this season.

Spending $10M a year for a .262 career hitter that averages 22 hr's a year isn't hard to replicate on the FA market.

Once again, 23 HRs in 2012 + 26 HRs in 2013 + 17 HRs in 2/3 of a season does not mean he averages 22 per year. You're giving him credit for 3 full seasons by saying that when he still has 1/3 of the season left.

You also said he has never hit 25 in a year which he did his second year in the league.

 

[STLDomer]

Wow that's a steal for the Red Sox. Wtf.

I don't know much about Kelly and Craig. Any insight?

Lackey has been better the past couple of seasons. He's not the beer and chicken guy from 2012. I think he has a club option for just $500,000 next season also.

3.52 ERA in 2013 and 3.60 in 2014. He's a steal if he can replicate those numbers for $500,000 next season.

Craig was a beast until this year. Has a hefty contract I believe. Cardinals must have no faith he will rebound and like getting rid of his contract and adding Lackey's steal of a contract. Bring up our top prospect in Oscar Tavares. Thought giving up Kelly was way to much though.

 

[woolybug25]

Not putting words in your mouth. You said he averages 22 homers a year when he's averaged 24.5 going into this season and is on pace for 26 this season

Saying that he averages 22 HR's to date is entirely accurate. What you just said was accurate as well. My comment wasn't misleading nor inaccurate. You don't like it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Once again, 23 HRs in 2012 + 26 HRs in 2013 + 17 HRs in 2/3 of a season does not mean he averages 22 per year. You're giving him credit for 3 full seasons by saying that when he still has 1/3 of the season left.

You also said he has never hit 25 in a year which he did his second year in the league.

His career average to date is 22. That will change when he hits another one. You may not like using that metric, but it is not innacurate. I also don't know where I said he didn't ever hit 25, but if I did... my bad. Sorry you are such a stickler that care whether it's 22 or 25 or whatever. Get over it, dude. Quit crying about semantics.

 

[irishfan]

Saying that he averages 22 HR's to date is entirely accurate. What you just said was accurate as well. My comment wasn't misleading nor inaccurate. You don't like it because it doesn't fit your narrative.



His career average to date is 22. That will change when he hits another one. You may not like using that metric, but it is not innacurate. I also don't know where I said he didn't ever hit 25, but if I did... my bad. Sorry you are such a stickler that care whether it's 22 or 25 or whatever. Get over it, dude. Quit crying about semantics.

Okay. So like my example above. If I hit 50 homers my rookie season and then hit 2 on Opening Day the following year, you would say that I average hitting 26 homers a year? Good to know.

You're dividing 66 (career homers) by 3 (seasons) and you should be dividing it by 2.66

 

[woolybug25]

Okay. So like my example above. If I hit 50 homers my rookie season and then hit 2 on Opening Day the following year, you would say that I average hitting 26 homers a year? Good to know.

I probably wouldn't use it on one full season + one game. That's a lot different than 2 full seasons up to the trade deadline in the 3rd.

But really cool example. I hope it finally gives you some closure so you can move on with your life.

 

[irishfan]

I probably wouldn't use it on one full season + one game. That's a lot different than 2 full seasons up to the trade deadline in the 3rd.

But really cool example. I hope it finally gives you some closure so you can move on with your life.

Whatever. You're still using basic math that is projecting Cespedes to finish the year with 0 homers. Whether you want to admit it or not. Just to try and make his stats look worse.

You're dividing 66 (career homers) by 3 (seasons) and you should be dividing it by 2.66

 

[woolybug25]

Whatever. You're still using basic math that is projecting Cespedes to finish the year with 0 homers. Whether you want to admit it or not. Just to try and make his stats look worse.

You're dividing 66 (career homers) by 3 (seasons) and you should be dividing it by 2.66

My intent was certainly not to "project" anything. Not for Cespeded nor any other player. Just a snapshot in time.

I think we all hear your anger loud and clear. Sorry that this is ruining your life. Please feel free to send me the bill for your psychiatrist. My apologies for giving you this longterm mental anguish.

Have some cranberry juice...

 

[FearTheBeard]

Terrible trade for the cards, we dont need some old pitcher. We need guys who can put some damn runs on the board

 

[irishfan]

My intent was certainly not to "project" anything. Not for Cespeded nor any other player. Just a snapshot in time.

I think we all hear your anger loud and clear. Sorry that this is ruining your life. Please feel free to send me the bill for your psychiatrist. My apologies for giving you this longterm mental anguish.

Have some cranberry juice...

Think it was just the combination of falsifying Cespedes' stats, saying Jonny Gomes is better than Cespedes, saying the As have any shot at all of re-signing Lester, giving me a "K. Cool Story" when you didn't read my post although you quoted it, and then also calling me a "typical Sox fan."

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Terrible trade for the cards, we dont need some old pitcher. We need guys who can put some damn runs on the board

Are there any significant bats available? I can't think of any.

The move also clears about $10 million in payroll next season so the Cards may be able to add some talent in 2015 - which doesn't hurt.

Who is Lackey replacing in the rotation? I don't think it's far-fetched that the difference between an injured Craig and Tavarez is much smaller than the difference between Lackey and the fifth starter, whoever that is.

 

[gkIrish]

irishfan and wooly--move on. Neither of you are changing your minds. No need to keep tussling.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Are there any significant bats available? I can't think of any.

The move also clears about $10 million in payroll next season so the Cards may be able to add some talent in 2015 - which doesn't hurt.

Who is Lackey replacing in the rotation? I don't think it's far-fetched that the difference between an injured Craig and Tavarez is much smaller than the difference between Lackey and the fifth starter, whoever that is.

True. I just didnt see the need for a trade like this, but i guess if it gives them a fair amount of money to work with next year then its not all bad.

 

[woolybug25]

Think it was just the combination of falsifying Cespedes' stats, saying Jonny Gomes is better than Cespedes, saying the As have any shot at all of re-signing Lester, giving me a "K. Cool Story" when you didn't read my post although you quoted it, and then also calling me a "typical Sox fan."

1) I didn't "falsify" my stat. You simply don't like how I did it. Move on.
2) I never said that I thought Gomes was better. I simply said that I would rather have him than Cespedes and his contract. Move on.
3) Move on.

irishfan and wooly--move on. Neither of you are changing your minds. No need to keep tussling.

Word. I moved on quite a while ago. Math wiz over there is the one that wont let it go. I wont respond to his next, inevitable post though. Hopefully that ends it.

 

[Irishnuke]

Gomes is the least productive outfielder in baseball and Cepesdes is the most productive. The reason its a good trade for the Sox is they needed someone powerful in the outfield who will provide for years. The Sox were going nowhere this year and are building for next year. I wouldn't count the Sox out in re-signing Lester at all, especially with the money they just saved on the power-hitting outfielder they wanted. I think you are missing the fact that the sox weren't going anywhere and, if they don't re-sign Lester after this year, at least they got something for him rather than letting him walk.

Lolololololololol. No.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Been told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rays?src=hash">#Rays</a> are definitely moving Price</p>— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/statuses/494901204657668096">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[UmphreakDomer]

just saw this, but can't find anything on the actual trade: ill keep looking but of you have info--please share.
also--saw cubbies interested in shopping Bonafacio. I'm vince with that.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Thankful for My times with <a href="https://twitter.com/RedSox">@RedSox</a> org,the opportunity given to me, the World Series. Now a new journey for me & my family. Hola <a href="https://twitter.com/Cubs">@Cubs</a> !</p>— Felix Doubront (@theRealDubi22) <a href="https://twitter.com/theRealDubi22/statuses/494891822938730496">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The A's now have 4 pitchers in the top 22 of ERA, top 24 of WAR, and top 33 of FIP. They're definitely going to the World Series.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Looks like Marlon Byrd is headed to the Yankees, says <a href="https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm">@JimBowdenESPNxm</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1">@Joelsherman1</a>.</p>— Jack Curry (@JackCurryYES) <a href="https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES/statuses/494903414573502464">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Edit: actually might be based off a fake twitter account. But I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happens.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

just saw this, but can't find anything on the actual trade: ill keep looking but of you have info--please share.
also--saw cubbies interested in shopping Bonafacio. I'm vince with that.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Thankful for My times with <a href="https://twitter.com/RedSox">@RedSox</a> org,the opportunity given to me, the World Series. Now a new journey for me & my family. Hola <a href="https://twitter.com/Cubs">@Cubs</a> !</p>— Felix Doubront (@theRealDubi22) <a href="https://twitter.com/theRealDubi22/statuses/494891822938730496">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I don't understand why Bonifacio wouldn't have been useful in a trade for Milone. Oakland did a straight up deal for Fuld (who is abetter hitter) but They only need to fill in for Crisp until he comes back and they have a gaping hole at 2B. Bonifacio can help in both areas.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Jonny Gomes as a WAR of 0 and a wOBA of .309. He's not that good at all. He's also not a good fielder at all. I don't get the Gomes love at all.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Cespedes' contract kicks into $10M+ after this season. Currently, he's making $3.2M.

I don't know what league you're looking at. That will make him the 8th highest paid left fielder in baseball. Guys like Ryan Trout, Ryan Ludwick and Bryce Harper will all make far less next year. Do you put Cespedes on that level? I certainly don't. There are only 8 left fielders in baseball making over $10M a year. Next year, Cespedes will be one of them. That's what I mean. You can easily replace his production for far less money.

2015 MLB Top Total Salaries - Left Field

I'm not sure if you don't get how baseball salaries work or if you are being coy, and I don't want to make assumptions. But you can't "easily replace" a left fielder for less than $10M. The guys you named are under club control and not free agent eligible. You can't get Trout (I think you meant Mike Trout) or Harper for less than $10M, regardless of what they are making now. When they hit free agency, they will be making $30M/yr. Nobody is trading those guys while they're being underpaid, and you won't get them on the market for less than a third of what the Sox will pay Cespedes next year. In baseball specifically, you can't just blindly compare salaries because the six years of club control versus free agency are apples and oranges. Also, Cespedes was an international free agent who negotiated a major league contract, so he is in a somewhat unique situation.

Anyway, overall I love what the Sox have done today.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not sure if you don't get how baseball salaries work or if you are being coy, and I don't want to make assumptions. But you can't "easily replace" a left fielder for less than $10M. The guys you named are under club control and not free agent eligible. You can't get Trout (I think you meant Mike Trout) or Harper for less than $10M, regardless of what they are making now. When they hit free agency, they will be making $30M/yr. Nobody is trading those guys while they're being underpaid, and you won't get them on the market for less than a third of what the Sox will pay Cespedes next year. In baseball specifically, you can't just blindly compare salaries because the six years of club control versus free agency are apples and oranges. Also, Cespedes was an international free agent who negotiated a major league contract, so he is in a somewhat unique situation.

Anyway, overall I love what the Sox have done today.

I'm fully aware of how baseball salaries work. Kind of a dick comment, btw.

Here are the left fielders that will be FA next season. Are you saying that all of them will sign contracts that would cost the A's $10M next season? Sure, MLB contracts vary depending on years, etc. But there are literally only 8 LF'ers currently contracted to make over $10M next year. So saying you "can't easily replace a LF for less than $10M" is completely untrue. It may or may not be hard to find Cespedes stats, in left field, for less... but that's not only arguable, but subjective in regards to whether you can find that in other positions.

Melky Cabrera - Given
Chris Denorfia
Jonny Gomes
Tony Gwynn Jr.
Scott Hairston
Reed Johnson
Ryan Ludwick – $9MM mutual option with a $4.5MM buyout
Darnell McDonald
Mike Morse
Alfonso Soriano
Vernon Wells
Josh Willingham
Delmon Young

That's also assuming that they rely on the FA market instead of simply trading for a guy or utilizing their own internal prospects.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm fully aware of how baseball salaries work. Kind of a dick comment, btw.

Here are the left fielders that will be FA next season. Are you saying that all of them will sign contracts that would cost the A's $10M next season?

Melky Cabrera - Given
Chris Denorfia
Jonny Gomes
Tony Gwynn Jr.
Scott Hairston
Reed Johnson
Ryan Ludwick – $9MM mutual option with a $4.5MM buyout
Darnell McDonald
Mike Morse
Alfonso Soriano
Vernon Wells
Josh Willingham
Delmon Young

That's also assuming that they rely on the FA market instead of simply trading for a guy or utilizing their own internal prospects.

Vernon Wells is out of the league
Soriano is also done.
Darnell Mcdonald out of the league I believe.

 

[gkIrish]

Jim Bowden Caught Stealing From Fake Twitter Account, Deletes Everything

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'm fully aware of how baseball salaries work. Kind of a dick comment, btw.

Here are the left fielders that will be FA next season. Are you saying that all of them will sign contracts that would cost the A's $10M next season?

Melky Cabrera - Given
Chris Denorfia
Jonny Gomes
Tony Gwynn Jr.
Scott Hairston
Reed Johnson
Ryan Ludwick – $9MM mutual option with a $4.5MM buyout
Darnell McDonald
Mike Morse
Alfonso Soriano
Vernon Wells
Josh Willingham
Delmon Young

That's also assuming that they rely on the FA market instead of simply trading for a guy or utilizing their own internal prospects.

Why was it a dick comment? I said I don't want to make assumptions about what you know. Not everyone understand it, because it's a unique system.

With regard to your list, I very much doubt many of those guys will make $10M next year, but Cespedes would be far and away better than most of them, too. If Cespedes was a FA this winter he would make much more than $10M/yr. I think he will be looking at least 50M/4 when he hits the market as a 30 yr old after next season, and that is assuming his numbers won't skyrocket over the next 14 months because he will be moving from one of the worst hitters parks in the league to the best hitters park for right handers.

 

[gkIrish]

My friend's friend works for the MLB and says Price to the Cardinals. TIFWIW.

 

[Corry]

My friend's friend works for the MLB and says Price to the Cardinals. TIFWIW.

We better get Miller and Waka back or I'm pissed. God I need a new team. This yearly fire sale is getting old.

 

[STLDomer]

We better get Miller and Waka back or I'm pissed. God I need a new team. This yearly fire sale is getting old.

Miller is starting for the Cardinals right now.

 

[Corry]

Miller is starting for the Cardinals right now.

FML

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BOOM RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal">@Ken_Rosenthal</a>: Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tigers?src=hash">#Tigers</a> get Price.</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/494932904557174784">July 31, 2014</a></blockquote>
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My friend's friend works for the MLB and says Price to the Cardinals. TIFWIW.