Ball State Post-Game Thread

[NDRock]

Do not disagree with this at all. But I think at that point, we would all be up in arms about our #1s still on the field.

I think we can agree, that short of curing cancer, winning a Natty, while nursing a sick puppy back to health, there is NOTHING the staff can do to make everyone happy.

Yep. One thing I'll say, good job on the scheduling. I like having an exciting, tough first game, followed by one of the easiest games on the schedule. Give me three MAC level opponents mixed in with our 5 ACC games, Stanford, Navy, USC, and one marquee game (Michigan) and I will never complain about the schedule.

 

[Wingman Ray]

My biggest complaint (aside form the non-calls on the holding by the Ball St O-Linemen) was that Wimbush should have given Boykin 20 targets. They didn't have anyone that could cover him and the Irish only exploited that matchup on one drive.

The only conclusion I can come up with is BK didnt want to show future opponents too much on the Boykin thing? Maybe wanting to show more vanilla look, spread it around and save the go to for when it is needed?

Otherwise no clue

 

[GowerND11]

Yep. One thing I'll say, good job on the scheduling. I like having an exciting, tough first game, followed by one of the easiest games on the schedule. Give me three MAC level opponents mixed in with our 5 ACC games, Stanford, Navy, USC, and one marquee game (Michigan) and I will never complain about the schedule.

So how can you say good job on the schedule? No way ever to schedule Northwestern in the middle of that back end of it this year. Plus, allowing Navy (or cooperating with them?) to schedule the game in San Diego, AND moving the 'Cuse game to NYC is just horrendous scheduling.

 

[Irish#1]

I also wonder how scoring on the first drive with relative ease played into the mindset of the players, "That was easy, we got this!"?

 

[Dizzyphil]

Watching some of these back the refs should be embarrassed. I would have to imagine this was addressed after the game.

It was quite the fiasco in my house. I was yelling 'holding' so much, a commercial came on and a woman 'Squeezed the Charmin' and my wife yelled.... 'holding!'....






I had to do the dishes that night.... needless to say.........

 

[NDRock]

So how can you say good job on the schedule? No way ever to schedule Northwestern in the middle of that back end of it this year. Plus, allowing Navy (or cooperating with them?) to schedule the game in San Diego, AND moving the 'Cuse game to NYC is just horrendous scheduling.

I was only talking about the first two games. I remember the days of Michigan/Michigan State/Purdue games to start the season. Overall, the schedule needs a lot of work.

 

[Irishize]

So how can you say good job on the schedule? No way ever to schedule Northwestern in the middle of that back end of it this year. Plus, allowing Navy (or cooperating with them?) to schedule the game in San Diego, AND moving the 'Cuse game to NYC is just horrendous scheduling.

This^

Syracuse originally would’ve been the opponent for Senior Day. I can’t speak for other programs, but ND seems to come out & remain flat as a pancake on Senior Day. The saving grace, in most cases; has been that it’s an opponent that ND can just out-athlete. Now, instead of ‘Cuse they get FSU. I know the Noles have looked horrid but to think they won’t at least be more of a threat in November than Syracuse is foolhardy.

On top of that, what’s the point of playing in NYC? Does ND struggle recruiting NY/NJ? No. I could see if this was in Atlanta or Dallas or Orlando...but NYC? This was a DUMB move.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This^

Syracuse originally would’ve been the opponent for Senior Day. I can’t speak for other programs, but ND seems to come out & remain flat as a pancake on Senior Day. The saving grace, in most cases; has been that it’s an opponent that ND can just out-athlete. Now, instead of ‘Cuse they get FSU. I know the Noles have looked horrid but to think they won’t at least be more of a threat in November than Syracuse is foolhardy.

On top of that, what’s the point of playing in NYC? Does ND struggle recruiting NY/NJ? No. I could see if this was in Atlanta or Dallas or Orlando...but NYC? This was a DUMB move.

Seems like to me most years the Irish schedule more home games to start the year and the opponents are typically the easier ones for the most part. Then when you get to the final 5-6 games, it's tougher opponents and ridiculous travel. Haven't reviewed the schedule for the last 4-5 years but that's my perception of it anyways.

 

[Irish YJ]

What teams travel the most?

College Football 2018: Here’s How Many Miles 40 Top Teams Will Have To Travel
https://www.onefootdown.com/2018/8/10/17665212/college-football-2018-how-many-miles-40-top-teams-travel-alabama-clemson-ohio-state-georgia-oklahoma

 

[stlnd01]

This^

Syracuse originally would’ve been the opponent for Senior Day. I can’t speak for other programs, but ND seems to come out & remain flat as a pancake on Senior Day. The saving grace, in most cases; has been that it’s an opponent that ND can just out-athlete. Now, instead of ‘Cuse they get FSU. I know the Noles have looked horrid but to think they won’t at least be more of a threat in November than Syracuse is foolhardy.

On top of that, what’s the point of playing in NYC? Does ND struggle recruiting NY/NJ? No. I could see if this was in Atlanta or Dallas or Orlando...but NYC? This was a DUMB move.

There are kind of a lot of ND alums and fans in the New York metro area. It’s not an accident we play a game just about every year in either New York or Boston, and it’s not because of recruiting.

That said, we played Syracuse in New York (Meadowlands) in 2016. That was their home game, this is ours. So I guess we get control of the Jumbotron! But I agree I’m not sure what the point of a repeat is.

 

[NDRock]

Seems like to me most years the Irish schedule more home games to start the year and the opponents are typically the easier ones for the most part. Then when you get to the final 5-6 games, it's tougher opponents and ridiculous travel. Haven't reviewed the schedule for the last 4-5 years but that's my perception of it anyways.

Before the ACC contract it was the opposite. It was tough to get opponents to play later season out of conference games. You southern schools don’t like to play in the cold.

 

[Bluto]

Changed my mind. Wimbush is ok. The o line is the bigger problem at this point.

 

[stlnd01]

Before the ACC contract it was the opposite. It was tough to get opponents to play later season out of conference games. You southern schools don’t like to play in the cold.

Yeah, used to be we'd stack up on the Big Ten early before their conference games started, rotate Stanford and USC home in October and away at Thanksgiving (as now), and fill in the back half of the season with whatever mostly second-tier opponents we could get to come to South Bend. Made it hard to recover from early defeats, because we often didn't play anyone notable enough in November to impress anyone in the polls. Also those November games against Air Force and Pitt could get mighty grim if we'd lost a few already.

Now it seems like there's typically a marquee game early (Michigan, Georgia, Texas) from a major program hoping to impress the playoff committee. Fewer Big Ten teams, replaced by the mid-pack ACC. And often one ACC power fairly late in the season, along with USC or Stanford to close it out. So we have chances to impress late.

The travel, and the grind of playing quality opponents all year, are still there. But the season is actually more balanced than it used to be.

 

[ThePiombino]

Sorry, pretty peeve, but the Meadowlands is in New Jersey, not New York. NY market, yes, but COMPLETELY different geography. We're talking swamp vs. urban.

There are kind of a lot of ND alums and fans in the New York metro area. It’s not an accident we play a game just about every year in either New York or Boston, and it’s not because of recruiting.

That said, we played Syracuse in New York (Meadowlands) in 2016. That was their home game, this is ours. So I guess we get control of the Jumbotron! But I agree I’m not sure what the point of a repeat is.

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[Sea Turtle]

Ball State seems to be handling Indiana pretty easily.
Makes me feel better about last week.

 

[BobbyMac]

...and App St lost to Penn St on the road in OT, who bet Pitt by a 50 burger, who leads Georgia Tech 21-0 while Kansas is heading for their 2nd straight DI win after going years without winning one.

 

[Irish YJ]

Ball State seems to be handling Indiana pretty easily.
Makes me feel better about last week.

As a Colts fan, that's what I said after watching Cinci on Thursday night lol.. The lies we tell, or try to tell ourselves..... IU going for the in-state crown....

 

[Sea Turtle]

As a Colts fan, that's what I said after watching Cinci on Thursday night lol.. The lies we tell, or try to tell ourselves..... IU going for the in-state crown....

Indiana treating it like a scrimmage too

 

[IrishTusker]

This is why we're a fashionable upset pick this week. Hopefully the team responds.

 

[BGIF]

Yeah, used to be we'd stack up on the Big Ten early before their conference games started, rotate Stanford and USC home in October and away at Thanksgiving (as now), and fill in the back half of the season with whatever mostly second-tier opponents we could get to come to South Bend. Made it hard to recover from early defeats, because we often didn't play anyone notable enough in November to impress anyone in the polls. Also those November games against Air Force and Pitt could get mighty grim if we'd lost a few already.

Now it seems like there's typically a marquee game early (Michigan, Georgia, Texas) from a major program hoping to impress the playoff committee. Fewer Big Ten teams, replaced by the mid-pack ACC. And often one ACC power fairly late in the season, along with USC or Stanford to close it out. So we have chances to impress late.

The travel, and the grind of playing quality opponents all year, are still there. But the season is actually more balanced than it used to be.

A requirement of getting ND's other sports into the ACC was ND had to play 5 ACC teams per year in football. ND doesn't pick the "mid-pack" ACC teams or a "one ACC power". The ACC assigns the teams and dates to ND when the ACC make out their schedule.

In the process of adding the required ACC games fewer BIG teams are scheduled out of the reality of fewer open dates.

 

[Irish YJ]

Indiana treating it like a scrimmage too

IU obviously has better practice players!

 

[stlnd01]

A requirement of getting ND's other sports into the ACC was ND had to play 5 ACC teams per year in football. ND doesn't pick the "mid-pack" ACC teams or a "one ACC power". The ACC assigns the teams and dates to ND when the ACC make out their schedule.

In the process of adding the required ACC games fewer BIG teams are scheduled out of the reality of fewer open dates.

Yes, I know.

Just observing how it has typically broken - with one "elite" ACC opponent (FSU in 2014, Clemson in 2015, Miami last year) and the other games being against decent but beatable teams like Wake and Pitt and NC State. That elite game, especially in the latter half of the season, is something we had a harder time scheduling when we'd often open playing Michigan and MSU in the first three weeks because that was when Big Ten teams would play us and we'd fill up November with service academies and whoever might come to South Bend.