Australian baseball player killed in OK by "bored" teens

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http://http://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-teens-charged-shooting-australian-baseball-player/story?id=20014020

I hadn't seen this pop up here yet. There has even been a warning to Autralian citizens not to travel to the US. I have been reading about it and seems people are taking all sorts of different angels on the story.

I have seen people talk about this as just a tragedy, a gun violence issue, a racial issue (the shooters were black), and a rap culture issue (shooters Facebook pages apparently idolize various rappers). Also, being that its technically an international issue, why hasn't the White House said anything or should they.

Was wondering what you guys thought of this since we have such diverse opinions here.
 

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But this is insane. Teens killing just a guy jogging because they were "bored"??

They should get the chair, and the parents life in prison.
 

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People who were wondering whether Jesse Jackson would ever respond to the killing of an Australian collegiate baseball player by three "bored" teens in Oklahoma, one of whom allegedly posted racist tweets, got their answer today. Jackson's early Wednesday morning tweet read as follows: "Praying for the family of Chris Lane. This senseless violence is frowned upon and the justice system must prevail."

Jesse Jackson's Tepid Tweet: Murder of White Australian by Three 'Bored' Teens 'Is Frowned Upon' | NewsBusters
 
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Justice will be served, correct? The people who shot the kid are all in custody, correct?They will stand trial, correct?

What does Obama have to do with every random act of violence in the country? Do you want him to apologize for every white kid killed by black kids?

Silly.

Sucks for everyone involved. Senseless.
 

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Race could have been a motivating factor too. Something I don't see many people talking about. Funny that Zimmerman was immediately labeled a racist, but I have yet to hear any talk of racial motivation over the Chris Lane murder.

Imagine, for a moment, what the backlash would be like if 3 white individuals killed a black man out of "boredom" and showed no remorse over the murder.

I do know this much... Jackson would have done more than frown on the issue.
 

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Justice will be served, correct? The people who shot the kid are all in custody, correct?They will stand trial, correct?

What does Obama have to do with every random act of violence in the country? Do you want him to apologize for every white kid killed by black kids?

Silly.

Sucks for everyone involved. Senseless.

Yea, besides, the White House is "not familiar" with this case yet (aka it hasn't been covered by MSNBC yet).

White House spokesman 'not familiar with' Chris Lane murder | The Daily Caller
 
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Yea, besides, the White House is "not familiar" with this case yet (aka it hasn't been covered by MSNBC yet).

White House spokesman 'not familiar with' Chris Lane murder | The Daily Caller

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So every white person that gets murdered in this country is going to get this response?

You guys realize that the GZ deal was different than this, no one thinks these kids did this out of self defense. No one thinks these guys are not guilty. There is no debate. Just a bunch of conservative mouth foaming because some black kids murdered a white guy.
 

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A must-read article on this subject from a Time editorial.

Don’t Ignore Race in Christopher Lane’s Murder | TIME.com

Australian Christopher Lane was killed on Monday in Oklahoma by three teens, one of whom has said they were just “bored.” The right is complaining that the media is making nothing of the fact that two of the teens were black whereas Lane was white, as opposed to the massive alarm sounded in cases such as white (or white-ish) George Zimmerman killing black Trayvon Martin. And again the cry was heard that there is more “black-on-black” or “black-on-white” crime than “white-on-black,” and that young black men are in fact more of a problem than people like Zimmerman.

The numbers don’t lie: young black men do commit about 50% of the murders in the U.S. We don’t yet know whether the attack on Lane was racially motivated, nor can we know whether the three black boys who attacked a white boy on a Florida school bus recently would not have done the same to a black kid. (Critics took Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to task for not condemning the violence.) But hardly uncommon are cases such as the two black guys who doused a white 13-year-old with gasoline and lit him on fire, saying “You get what you deserve, white boy” (Kansas City, Mo.) or 20 black kids who beat up white Matthew Owens on his porch “for Trayvon” (Mobile, Ala.).

So, it’s just fake to pretend that the association of young black men with violence comes out of thin air. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. If the kinds of things I just mentioned were regularly done by whites, it’d be trumpeted as justification for being scared to death of them.

It’s not that black communities are in complete denial about these statistics — Stop the Violence events are a staple of high-crime areas. But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities. There is no coordinated nationwide movement equivalent to the one Martin galvanized. There are no thoughtful films “exploring” black-on-black crime the way Fruitvale Station treats the death of Oscar Grant, a young black man who was killed by transit police in Oakland, Calif.

And recent example illustrates how many blacks feel about who is murdering whom. Two weeks ago, an NYPD cop killed 14-year-old Shaaliver Douse. Douse was in the process of shooting other people, and had been charged with shooting someone else in May — and yet his aunt compared him to Martin. In her mind, the main sin was the white cop’s.

Granted, it seems a lot easier to do something about the Zimmermans than the black thugs. Protest profiling and police departments institute new programs. But black thugs aren’t moved by protests, so it can seem like we’re just stuck with them.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong? Annette John-Hall had some wise words on this last year. What kind of self-image do we have to assume we can only change others, but not ourselves?

For the time being, though, it’s time for the media to stop proudly emblazoning the race of white cops who kill black boys while cagily describing black teens as, say, “from the grittier part of town,” as has been the case regarding Lane’s killers. The media needs to be as honest with black people as we need to be with ourselves. No group gets ahead by turning away from its real problems.
 

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Justice will be served, correct? The people who shot the kid are all in custody, correct?They will stand trial, correct?

What does Obama have to do with every random act of violence in the country? Do you want him to apologize for every white kid killed by black kids?
Silly.

Sucks for everyone involved. Senseless.

No...

I think the point of it being an international issue as the kid was Australian and the former Australian Deputy Prime Minister warning Aussies not to come to the US play a factor in the White House or some administration/DOJ rep saying something.

Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia Tim Fischer on Christopher Lane's murder: "There is deep seated anger this time" – Piers Morgan - CNN.com Blogs
 
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One of those kids is white too. Zimmerman's defenders are trying to make it into a racial thing though to demonize the media and black kids.

lol at "rap culture". Sounds like "urban youth".
 
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But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities.

This isn't true. That's a much more complex issue that has to do with socioeconomic factors and stuff like the drug war and gangs more than race.
 
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It's foolish to say that black people don't care about black people being killed if they are killed by another black person, and then comparing it to talking about cops killing black kids. One has to do with authorities, the same authorities who abandoned them in the inner city.
 

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One of those kids is white too. Zimmerman's defenders are trying to make it into a racial thing though to demonize the media and black kids.

lol at "rap culture". Sounds like "urban youth".

Are u talking about Michael Dewayne Jones? The half-black, half-white 17 year old who was arrested as being an accessory to the murder after the fact? Funny that people pick and choose which race people are when it suits their narrative. Obama? He's black. Zimmerman? He's white. Michael Dewayne Jones? He's white.
 
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Please....
"According to the United States Department of Justice, whites accounted for 45.3% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, blacks accounted for 52.5%, with 2.2% Native Americans and Asians. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher.

Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks"

Cooper, Alexia (2012). Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008. p. 3. ISBN 1249573246.

Homicides Fall to Lowest Rate in Four Decades.


"The federal government publishes a list annually of Hate Crime Statistics, 2009. Also published by the federal government is the Known Offender's Race by Bias Motivation, 2009. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Report database, in 2010 58% of hate crime offenders were latino or white, 18% of offenders were black, 8.9% were of individuals of multiple races and 1% of offenders were Native Americans. The report also reveals that 48% of all hate crime offenders were motivated by the victim's race, while 18% were based on the victim's religion, and another 18% were based on the victim's sexual orientation. The report states that among hate crime offenses motivated by race, 70% were composed of anti-black bias, while 17.7% were of anti-white bias, and 5% were of anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias.
FBI — Victims". Fbi.gov. 2011-10-17. Retrieved 2013-08-15.
 
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Please....
"According to the United States Department of Justice, whites accounted for 45.3% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, blacks accounted for 52.5%, with 2.2% Native Americans and Asians. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher.

Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks"

Cooper, Alexia (2012). Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008. p. 3. ISBN 1249573246.

Homicides Fall to Lowest Rate in Four Decades.


"The federal government publishes a list annually of Hate Crime Statistics, 2009. Also published by the federal government is the Known Offender's Race by Bias Motivation, 2009. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Report database, in 2010 58% of hate crime offenders were latino or white, 18% of offenders were black, 8.9% were of individuals of multiple races and 1% of offenders were Native Americans.[38] The report also reveals that 48% of all hate crime offenders were motivated by the victim's race, while 18% were based on the victim's religion, and another 18% were based on the victim's sexual orientation. The report states that among hate crime offenses motivated by race, 70% were composed of anti-black bias, while 17.7% were of anti-white bias, and 5% were of anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias.
FBI — Victims". Fbi.gov. 2011-10-17. Retrieved 2013-08-15.

People here hate facts more than they hate people who are different than them. Prepare to get flamed.
 
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Are u talking about Michael Dewayne Jones? The half-black, half-white 17 year old who was arrested as being an accessory to the murder after the fact? Funny that people pick and choose which race people are when it suits their narrative. Obama? He's black. Zimmerman? He's white. Michael Dewayne Jones? He's white.

Police said Michael Jones is a white male. The Luna kid is mixed. The Edwards kid is black. It was a diverse group of little psychopaths.
 

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Please....
"According to the United States Department of Justice, whites accounted for 45.3% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, blacks accounted for 52.5%,

Let's git em boys!!!!..... ALL of em.
 
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No...

I think the point of it being an international issue as the kid was Australian and the former Australian Deputy Prime Minister warning Aussies not to come to the US play a factor in the White House or some administration/DOJ rep saying something.

Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia Tim Fischer on Christopher Lane's murder: "There is deep seated anger this time" – Piers Morgan - CNN.com Blogs

That was not at you connor. It is interesting to me that a country as happy about guns as we are and had them mostly banned is now all anti-gun. There is hope.
 
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