Another Shooting
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GATTACA!
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Sorry best I can do is some thoughts and prayers, and telling you to get a gun of your own.
Me2SouthBend
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I don’t know maybe you could vote to legislate against long guns or some other gun regulation? Might be better than thoughts and prayers.
GATTACA!
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Didn't think that needed the italics lol
Blazers46
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I don’t want to poopoo this shooting but we have “mass shootings” on the daily. Most often either a single or zero fatalities but it happens all too often. This guy had mental health issues and should not have had a gun and was charged for unlawfully carrying among other issues.
So far, we just won't do anything about it though.
Some legislators are trying...
House passes bill addressing mental health concerns among students, families, educators
The House passed a bill on Thursday that seeks to address mental health concerns among students, families and educators aggravated by the COVID-19 pandemic, which lawmakers say had a “severe impact…
thehill.com
Maybe this is a sign there may be some movement, but after the Speaker fiasco, I don't currently have faith they can get legislation passed that can also pass the Senate. Never mind the chance that a Senate arsonist just trashes the whole thing. (I am looking directly at Sinema or Cruz)
More Money for Mental-Health Programs Gets Bipartisan Support in Many States
Governors and legislators say billions of dollars in proposed funding is needed to address youth well-being, homelessness and shootings.
www.wsj.com
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I hate passing laws to police such a depleted society but if it’s legislation this country needs then it’s legislation this country deserves.So far, we just won't do anything about it though.
Some legislators are trying...
House passes bill addressing mental health concerns among students, families, educators
The House passed a bill on Thursday that seeks to address mental health concerns among students, families and educators aggravated by the COVID-19 pandemic, which lawmakers say had a “severe impact…
Maybe this is a sign there may be some movement, but after the Speaker fiasco, I don't currently have faith they can get legislation passed that can also pass the Senate. Never mind the chance that a Senate arsonist just trashes the whole thing. (I am looking directly at Sinema or Cruz)
More Money for Mental-Health Programs Gets Bipartisan Support in Many States
Governors and legislators say billions of dollars in proposed funding is needed to address youth well-being, homelessness and shootings.
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Shannon Watts is a lying piece of shit and won’t move the needle for a second. Several laws were violated here and my appetite to sacrifice freedom for false security and further empowerment of the authoritarian left is still stuck at zero.
More police. Tougher sentences. Mental health and public education are a mess and no reason to believe that anti-consequences crowd will keep us safe. Fuck gun control.
More police. Tougher sentences. Mental health and public education are a mess and no reason to believe that anti-consequences crowd will keep us safe. Fuck gun control.
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If stricter gun laws are necessary I would be fine with taking care of Americas under-incarceration problem… 🧐
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What would that do?
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Absolutely nothing except make a few naive people feel better. Look at places in the US that have the strictest gun laws, and yet they have the most gun crime. We ALL want to reduce gun violence and these random shootings that are almost always the result of someone with mental health issues. The problem is that criminals, by definition, DON'T FOLLOW LAWS! They don't care about silly gun-free zones, they don't usually buy their guns legally, and they don't follow any other laws restricting gun possession or use. They aren't following the gun laws in place now. What possible good will come from passing additional laws that they won't follow?
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Not true — not even close. States with the most gun violence are all red states. Those with the lowest rates are blue states. It is exactly opposite of your statement.
Roll Tide … Bama made the top 5!
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I was watching CNN at the gym today and they had another young lady on. She apparently "survived" a school shooting somewhere else. It got me thinking, did she really "survive" a shooting? Where did she get shot and how is her therapy going? I get being on the same property at the same time and being on campus or even the same building at the time of shooting and thanking God you were not in the wrong place at the wrong time and such... but if you were never shot at can you really say you "survived"? Even if you were shot at, did you get shot? People "survive" cancer because they had it. I was shot at while at the Tolson Center in Elkhart, and my friends and I were shot while at a party when I was 18... I have never in my life said I "survived" any of those because they missed me.
Take David Hoge, he's become a famous or infamous name in the gun debate. He is a Parkland "survivor". Just seems like it does an injustice to the people that were actually shot and then eventually survived. It sort of reminds me when someone dies, there are people that want to attach themselves to the grief... "aww man I knew that dude, we were like best friends" but find out later they were in math class together in 8th grade once.
I wasn't putting that up to promote a position on gun control (I'm probably the most flexible on this). I just felt for that woman, literally reliving a traumatic experience from elementary school just sounds awful.
I completely understand where you are coming from about drawing a distinction amongst individuals involved in mass shootings. There is a critical mental health aspects to shootings, even if you "just" have to evacuate, everyone reacts differently to those kind of situations. So, I think this is what many people, who are not actually injured/wounded, are talking about when they say survived. It's not intended to cheapen the experience of others. Just a more inclusive word for those that experience the trauma of a mass shooting.
I agree with you about questioning some of these people's involvement. I've mentioned already that I despise the grifters on the left as much as I do those on the right. Rabble rousing can be an effective way to motivate action, but if everything is an emergency, then real emergencies lose their impact.
I do my best to not pay attention to someone like Hoag and listen to some one like Fred Guttenberg (14yr old daughter killed at Parkland).
Are you really saying why have gun laws if people are just going to break them? I don't think I'm slippery sloping when I follow-up with,
"Why have any laws if people are just going to break them?"
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The illegal guns are made at the illegal gun factory dummy.
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I get it. I was not necessarily replying to you in regard to any sort of position. I was just using the video as a reference to another piece the news put out. I think the word "survivor" implies victim and the more victims we have the more sympathy the issue receives.
Sure, no I get that it wasn't at me. Just providing a different perspective, while validating yours.
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Of course not. My point is that the current gun laws aren't being followed by criminals and additional laws are thus unlikely to have any real effect on curbing gun violence. We have this debate every time there's a mass shooting. One side wants to just "do something" which usually involves more laws that won't be followed and thus will have NO effect on the issue. We all want something done. The problem is doing ineffective things that won't help is a waste of time and doesn't actually fix the problem.
Think of it like this: you own a store and shoplifting is a problem that's costing you a lot of money. You put up signs saying, "No shoplifting" but the thieves ignore them, of course. You post signs pointing out the sentences for shoplifting, but the thieves ignore them. You put up more signs banning shoplifting, threatening prosecution, and pointing out the consequences if they're caught, but they keep robbing you blind. So, what do you do now? Do you really think another sign or warning is going to help? They're ignoring all your signs and rules and such. One more warning sign will have absolutely zero effect. Time to try something new: security cameras, undercover security guards, alarm tags, heavy prosecution of anyone you catch... something! Anything but another sign. Try something that will actually be effective at solving the problem.
These sentences do not make logical sense together.
You say, you are not...."...saying why have gun laws if people are just going to break them?"
Then you say exactly that. I'm confused.
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You should have read your own article. Even it says most deaths from guns is from suicide. The numbers and rankings they use are thus essentially irrelevant to the matter under discussion; gun violence against others. Try a better source who doesn't cherrypick info to promote a narrative. Look at places like Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, and etc., all with very strict gun laws and tell me how effective they've been at eliminating gun violence against others. More gun laws and restrictive laws do little or nothing to stop gun violence. Criminals don't obey those laws. More of them won't change that. All your simple, naive suggestions do is disarm law-abiding citizens and make them easier victims.Not true — not even close. States with the most gun violence are all red states. Those with the lowest rates are blue states. It is exactly opposite of your statement.
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There is a difference between passing laws that will benefit law abiding citizens vs. passing laws that will hinder law abiding citizens.
We got hundreds of millions of guns in the United States. We could ban the sale/possession of guns tomorrow and I doubt it would do much in terms of curbing crime.
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Yeah it's cooked man, I don't know how you stop it from happening. Legally it seems like there is too many roadblocks to do any material change to possession of firearms. A gun buy back program might work? But even then the ownership of a gun is baked into the cultural fabric, and to have a reasonable dollar figure to entice someone likely wouldn't work.
Children getting gunned down daily and it doesn't really change anything so there's really no point in trying to do any sweeping changes. It's a defeatist approach but what can you do.
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Either the concept of "additional laws" is over your head or you're being intentionally obtuse.
That's subjective as hell and different than what Bishop is saying
It's about curbing a specific type of crime, though your point isn't lost on me.
For everyone's consumption, here is some data analysis about the "assault" weapons ban
Effects of Assault Weapon and High-Capacity Magazine Bans on Mass Shootings
Analysis of the impact of bans on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines on mass shootings in the United States
No. That still doesn't make sense because we are always adding laws.
You are trying to be specific about gun law, but your rational can be applied to any law.
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Of course most guns deaths are by suicide. That doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that gun violence rates are Higher in red states than blue states. So the point I highlighted from your post was incorrect. The only reason including suicides makes what I said irrelevant is that you are incapable of admitting you are wrong even when presented with indisputable proof. And this is why you are FOS.
It appears you are the one who didn’t read the article. “According to Everytown’s analysis of FBI data, the cities with the highest gun homicide rates in 2020 were all in states with lax gun laws:
Jackson, Mississippi – 69 gun homicides per 100,000 people.
Gary, Indiana – 64.
St. Louis – 50.
New Orleans – 48.
Memphis, Tennessee – 47.”
Don’t homicides count either? 😏
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The vast majority of gun owners aren't the problem. They're law-abiding citizens who are hunters or just want to be able to protect themselves and their family from criminals. The guy with a .273 deer rifle who enjoys hunting or the person who has a 9mm for personal protection isn't the one shooting up schools or killing cashiers in a holdup or killing rival drug dealers. Nobody should want to disarm those people.
The problem is the habitual criminal or the mentally unstable dude or the jerk with anger issues who shoots up his workplace or kills his wife. Find a way to disarm those folks and leave the stable, law-abiding folks alone so that they can hunt and protect themselves and family, and we're all onboard.
Here's one suggestion I've thought about lately. When I was a kid in the 60s, there were a number of programs where health officials came into the schools and tested kids for vision & hearing problems, learning issues, general well-being, and etc. I remember that happening pretty frequently. I think they still do some of that even now. How about mental health screening at least 3 and maybe 4 times over the course of a kid's 12 years of school? Identify the unstable kids and do some mental health intervention. You'd identify a lot of the people on the path to becoming sociopaths, psychopaths, serial killers, mass shooters, rapists, and so on, and you can maybe intervene and get them help. It wouldn't solve all the problems and you'd certainly miss some, but think about how many future problems you could nip in the bud. Such a program would surely be more cost effective than dealing with the issues down the road 20 years later.
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I fully agree with having more health professionals that are provided to kids in school. I think the biggest issues with this is 1) Cost, there will always be some saying that they don't want to pay for it whether that's with tax dollars or at a private school 2) "Don't speak to my kid", I think there is a lot of people/parents that will think they know better than a health professional so how do you enforce the *No psycho's at school* policy that we both agree on? Tough to tell someone there kid is a nutjob and they aren't safe to have in school. I think there was one school shooter that literally got flagged from the principal or police? that the kid was a loose cannon and yet the kid still went to town on the school because the shitbag parents didn't do anything about it.
Trust me I am fully onboard with your thoughts. I just think it would be tough to enforce despite the very obvious positive benefits.