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I never said anyone was predisposed to anything… you’re all over the place. Lost. Triggered. Trollish at this point. Somehow went to mail in ballots and Soros… checking all the boxes today, well done.
I posted statiscal evidence to refute your claims. You responded first with ad hominems, typical. I was hoping there might be something with support other than "oh culture".

Anyways I've accepted my family and friends will not see any meanigful change for their safety. If Sandy Hook didn't lead to change well yolo.
 

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I posted statiscal evidence to refute your claims. You responded first with ad hominems, typical. I was hoping there might be something with support other than "oh culture".

Anyways I've accepted my family and friends will not see any meanigful change for their safety. If Sandy Hook didn't lead to change well yolo.

Refute my claims that we have weak men in our society? Refute my claims that fatherless children plays a part? Refute my claims that mental health plays a part? You posted stats from a website about other countries, congrats. Culture is a part of society, yes? Is it not? So when we compare societies shouldn’t we be cognizant of the society and it’s culture? Nah we can’t do that, that’s racist.

This strong man who had it all together woke up and decided he will shoot his grandma and go to an elementary school and kill 19 kids and 2 teachers… is that your assessment?

America is reaching a boiling point. Crime is at all time high and tensions are at all time high and you were able to sneak this post in a few days ago without any retort.

“Society is literally at it's all time high right now. Despite insane rhetoric, we're way more civilized now than ever. Respect for each other is higher than it's ever been. Doom and gloom of society is being driven (ironically) by those that don't trust MSM..which is exactly what MSM wants lol.” Love, Toronto.

Well you can sit there and watch CNN, MSNBC and other MSM and live in your fairytale. I think you live in a completely different world than the rest of us… or maybe a different country 🤔
 

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Didn't think about it until going to Church today.

Like any building there are several doors. None of the doors that access kids areas are ever unlocked. When you sign your kid in you are given a sticker with your name and a number that corresponds with your kids. No lingering in those halls... you will be asked to move it along. Security all have ear pieces and roam the halls and are present in the main service. Nobody can really tell who security is because they are all dressed like they would any church day. Some in Cowboys jerseys and some in suits.... whatever... They have at least 3 people carry weapons. The people they typically have carry work for police or border security so they are well trained.

On the flip I visit schools often for various nonprofits we are a part of and even for the sporting goods store. Every time I usually know where I am going so I walk in the front and walk directly where I need to go because nobody ever really stops me even though they have signs that tell me to check in at the office. I do it because its my passive aggressive way of showing them their procedures suck ass. If ever confronted I tell them as much "I got this far, your signs never stopped me". Yeah I am probably being an ass but they need to take it more serious.

There are some schools that you have to buzz in... often times I am buzzed in before I hit the buzzer or as soon as I do. I am not a regular at any one school. Even when buzzed in I have free reign to go anywhere even though they will say on the speaker... "please check in at the office" Often times my passive aggressive nature makes me walk right past the office.

My kids go to a private school and they have the whole campus locked. Only one entrance, the rest of the doors and behind locked gates you have to get through first. Better procedures for check in. Once you are let in the building you are stuck in a foyer or waiting area. A little window the secretary gets the reason why were are there. If we are picking up doing something that does not have a need for us they wont bother letting us in. Aaaaand I am pretty sure a few staff carry weapons.

Just observations.
 

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Things we are passing legislation to keep our children safe from:
  • books
  • CRT
  • gays
  • masks
  • transgender issues
  • guns

Laws only apply to law abiding citizens. You can limit future gun sales, but the reality is there are almost 400 million guns in circulation in the US, more than the population itself. You can even 3D print a gun if you really wanted to. Schools keep getting targeted because they're the most vulnerable. Until that changes, they will continue to be targets. Security has to be increased, and there need to be more deterrents like armed officers. There should be at least 1-2 security personnel for every 1,000 kids (Job creation!).
 

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Things we are passing legislation to keep our children safe from:
  • books
  • CRT
  • gays
  • masks
  • transgender issues
  • guns

We have laws to protect from gays? Where?

Thanks for the hyperbole. There's no better way to tell everyone you are 100% not engaged in finding a solution than by racing to a partisan government solution in the wake of a tragedy. These soul-less hacks like Sen. Murphy who scream at Republicans and anti-gun-control people like they just committed murder are part of a mindless echo chamber. The response to this tragic police response and issue isn't gun control.
 

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53 people shot on memorial day weekend in Chicago.

That's one weekends pay in chicago.
 
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Laws only apply to law abiding citizens. You can limit future gun sales, but the reality is there are almost 400 million guns in circulation in the US, more than the population itself. You can even 3D print a gun if you really wanted to. Schools keep getting targeted because they're the most vulnerable. Until that changes, they will continue to be targets. Security has to be increased, and there need to be more deterrents like armed officers. There should be at least 1-2 security personnel for every 1,000 kids (Job creation!).
Might be time to go full Israel.
Soldiers at every school and every corner in urban areas.
 

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I'm not a fan of militarizing our schools. I am a fan of locking the doors, limiting access, and not having officers stand outside for 40 minutes during a massacre. I have to think several kids would be alive had they done their damn jobs.
 

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Things we are passing legislation to keep our children safe from:
  • books
  • CRT
  • gays
  • masks
  • transgender issues
  • guns
So we can only address one issue at a time? Please tell us what your solution to the problem would be.
 

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If we have to ban something from keeping an 18 year old from killing 19 kids its safe to say its society not the something.
 

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The Onion article that's evergreen when some think that school shooting don't happen in other countries because they have armed guards, one entrance, armed teachers and other mini prions hmmmm
 

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The Onion article that's evergreen when some think that school shooting don't happen in other countries because they have armed guards, one entrance, armed teachers and other mini prions hmmmm
We absolutely should lock down schools like prisons, they don't have mass shootings there. Just sayin'. Like many of these modern shootings the Uvalde event wasn't a revenge thing. The psycho went there because the school was an easy target. Lots of little kids don't put up resistance once you take out the teacher. That's the sad fact for these sickos.
 

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The Uvalde shooter was killing cats and then carrying their bloody carcasses in a plastic bag showing them to other folks. Apparently, he was threatening girls online that he would kill them if they shunned him. Folks are now coming forward with stories of him heading down a trail for quite a while that wasn’t going to end well.
 

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The Uvalde shooter was killing cats and then carrying their bloody carcasses in a plastic bag showing them to other folks. Apparently, he was threatening girls online that he would kill them if they shunned him. Folks are now coming forward with stories of him heading down a trail for quite a while that wasn’t going to end well.
How many red flags before someone says something? Like...big friggin' red flags. Jeebus.
 

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We have laws to protect from gays? Where? - Florida, Montana, Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, to name a few.

Thanks for the hyperbole. - There are literal laws governing what can be discussed in a classroom. Laws that are very vague, that some educators are finding intimidating for their lack of guidance about what can and can't be discussed without costing them their jobs and resulting in criminal charges. Apologies for taking us astray on R/D nonsense. I was more aiming at the point that we can pass legislation to stop words and thoughts from entering children's minds at school, but can't do shit about bullets entering them.

There's no better way to tell everyone you are 100% not engaged in finding a solution than by racing to a partisan government solution in the wake of a tragedy. - I could give a shit about who proposes and moves solutions. I'm tired of seeing people dying unnecessarily to gun violence. I'm particularly tired of seeing children dying. I posted the above because I'm tired of the outrage and action from the right about protecting children from all these other evils, but not doing shit about guns, which are now the leading cause of death for Americans under 18 (passing motor vehicle accidents and rising). I'm pissed at the left for also not doing shit about gun violence. I'm particularly pissed about the people (politicians and regular citizens) who are not willing to move an inch on gun legislation when it's obvious that our current system is dogshit. One guy tries to explode his shoe in 2001 and we're still walking through airports in our socks. Timothy McVeigh and some Iraqis make bombs with fertilizer and DHS starts tracking who's buying what. 45,000 people die every year to gun violence and we just shrug. (Yes I'm counting suicides. Even ruling them out, 22,000 gun homicides is still way too many)

These soul-less hacks like Sen. Murphy who scream at Republicans and anti-gun-control people like they just committed murder are part of a mindless echo chamber. - I don't generally have a problem with people having guns, but I can understand the frustration of these people. Gun laws have literally become less restrictive in response to mass shootings. I suspect they're also tired of the moving target of how we fix this - stop Muslim extremists, stop the drug trade, more doors, fewer exits, good guy with a gun, arm the teachers, mental health, etc. from people who will refuse to acknowledge the access to guns is a non-trivial part of the problem.

The response to this tragic police response and issue isn't gun control. - The response to all this gun crime needs to be some gun control. We can do plenty of other shit too, but we need to make changes to how the American society deal with guns. It wasn't a tragic police response in Dayton when a shooter was stopped 32 seconds into his rampage. Unfortunately, he shot 26 people, killing 9 in that 32 seconds. Police response in Las Vegas could have improved, but a shit-ton of people were still going to get shot and die. Ditto the Thousand Oaks shooting - 11 dead before cops could arrive at the bar. Similar to gun deaths in Chicago and suicides with handguns. The common denominator in all of this is guns. American society is either ok with all of this continuing, or we need to make compromises to make life safer for ourselves and those around us.
 
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The Uvalde shooter was killing cats and then carrying their bloody carcasses in a plastic bag showing them to other folks. Apparently, he was threatening girls online that he would kill them if they shunned him. Folks are now coming forward with stories of him heading down a trail for quite a while that wasn’t going to end well.
Baffles my mind. A few years ago I read a story of a kid that was voted "most likely to shoot up the school". Amazing these kids think its a joke. We live in a culture where people see someone being victimzed they take out their cell phones. I honestly think people would rather snap a viral video than stop a viral tragedy.
 

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Uvalde police department and school district are no longer cooperating with the Texas State investigation, per ABC.
 

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Now the narrative that the gunman came in through a propped door has changed. They've confirmed that the teacher removed the rock from the propped door when he crashed the truck and had some gunfire outside. Now the narrative is that though the door was no longer propped, the door failed to lock. Not sure how long this narrative will stick.
 

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We have laws to protect from gays? Where? - Florida, Montana, Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, to name a few.

Thanks for the hyperbole. - There are literal laws governing what can be discussed in a classroom. Laws that are very vague, that some educators are finding intimidating for their lack of guidance about what can and can't be discussed without costing them their jobs and resulting in criminal charges. Apologies for taking us astray on R/D nonsense. I was more aiming at the point that we can pass legislation to stop words and thoughts from entering children's minds at school, but can't do shit about bullets entering them.

There's no better way to tell everyone you are 100% not engaged in finding a solution than by racing to a partisan government solution in the wake of a tragedy. - I could give a shit about who proposes and moves solutions. I'm tired of seeing people dying unnecessarily to gun violence. I'm particularly tired of seeing children dying. I posted the above because I'm tired of the outrage and action from the right about protecting children from all these other evils, but not doing shit about guns, which are now the leading cause of death for Americans under 18 (passing motor vehicle accidents and rising). I'm pissed at the left for also not doing shit about gun violence. I'm particularly pissed about the people (politicians and regular citizens) who are not willing to move an inch on gun legislation when it's obvious that our current system is dogshit. One guy tries to explode his shoe in 2001 and we're still walking through airports in our socks. Timothy McVeigh and some Iraqis make bombs with fertilizer and DHS starts tracking who's buying what. 45,000 people die every year to gun violence and we just shrug. (Yes I'm counting suicides. Even ruling them out, 22,000 gun homicides is still way too many)

These soul-less hacks like Sen. Murphy who scream at Republicans and anti-gun-control people like they just committed murder are part of a mindless echo chamber. - I don't generally have a problem with people having guns, but I can understand the frustration of these people. Gun laws have literally become less restrictive in response to mass shootings. I suspect they're also tired of the moving target of how we fix this - stop Muslim extremists, stop the drug trade, more doors, fewer exits, good guy with a gun, arm the teachers, mental health, etc. from people who will refuse to acknowledge the access to guns is a non-trivial part of the problem.

The response to this tragic police response and issue isn't gun control. - The response to all this gun crime needs to be some gun control. We can do plenty of other shit too, but we need to make changes to how the American society deal with guns. It wasn't a tragic police response in Dayton when a shooter was stopped 32 seconds into his rampage. Unfortunately, he shot 26 people, killing 9 in that 32 seconds. Police response in Las Vegas could have improved, but a shit-ton of people were still going to get shot and die. Ditto the Thousand Oaks shooting - 11 dead before cops could arrive at the bar. Similar to gun deaths in Chicago and suicides with handguns. The common denominator in all of this is guns. American society is either ok with all of this continuing, or we need to make compromises to make life safer for ourselves and those around us.
Curious to what your solution would be.
 

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Solutions need to be based on root cause. I believe root cause is individuals who are not integrated into society. "Loners". This is a huge problem. It is the rare individual so marginalized that turns to violence. More commonly marginalized individuals succumb to mental illness including substance abuse.
 

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Solutions need to be based on root cause. I believe root cause is individuals who are not integrated into society. "Loners". This is a huge problem. It is the rare individual so marginalized that turns to violence. More commonly marginalized individuals succumb to mental illness including substance abuse.
Hitting the nail on the head with a sledgehammer! Using weapons is a symptom.
 

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Pretty good article. Written by someone from Australia.

Good article, thanks for posting it! I think it’s tough to compare AU and NZ to the USA but the UK is more similar. The US does need to take action to reduce the likelihood of more mass shootings unfortunately the political environment here is a cluster with way too much dissension to be optimistic.
 

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Good article, thanks for posting it! I think it’s tough to compare AU and NZ to the USA but the UK is more similar. The US does need to take action to reduce the likelihood of more mass shootings unfortunately the political environment here is a cluster with way too much dissension to be optimistic.
I agree. It's not apples to apples simply from the way the two countries originated and the governments developed. It does show a correlation between banning assault style weapons and a reduction in mass shootings.
 

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Apparently another shooting in Oklahoma. Not 100% sure but sounds like it is at a medical complex.
 

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Things we are passing legislation to keep our children safe from:
  • books
  • CRT
  • gays
  • masks
  • transgender issues
  • guns
First, let's distinguish which of these policies are being driven by state government or the feds. The 10th amendment, much to the chagrin of the majority of leftists, is a real thing.

Books, CRT, gays/ transgender issues --- I'm assuming you mean how these social issues are being handled in schools. Since each state can do what they want with education, you can disagree with the policies but if you really hate it...just move. Most Americans have no issues at all with people being gay or trans. They just don't think it's the school's job to teach their children about social issues, and the states and local school districts determine the curricula.

Masks --- we have a little of both here. The CDC provides recommendations but the past 2 years taught us that masks were largely ineffective.

Guns --- while some laws and requirements vary state by state, the 2nd amendment applies to all law abiding Americans. Unless there's a Constitutional Convention, each state will have to adopt what they believe is appropriate.
 
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