Andrew Hendrix/Everett Golson

[HereComeTheIrish]

Also, if there are in fact 3 losses on our schedule as this lesion on my a$$ suggests, there will be no BCS... His attempt at being dramatic and thinking outside the box lost me there.

 

[NDIrishlover3]

Here we go again.......

Everyone wants to crown the next "up and coming" guy to be a star, before he has taken even ONE meaningful snap......

Potential and upside don't mean jack, folks. Results are what counts. Rees has results, Hendrix doesn't. I really don't care how well they can run. Do you people even listen to Kelly's pressers? He's already said that a QB doesn't have to be a runner, to run hisR offense. All he needs is some escapability. Rees wasn't Tony Rice last year, but he wasn't exactly Bernie Kosar either. Quit prognosticating based on your own personal wants, and listen and watch what is going on around you. Rees has the same amount of time in Kelly's system as Hendrix. He's already gotten meaningful (and successful) game time. Hendrix, according to some of you, is a way better QB than Rees. So which is more likely?

A.) Brian Kelly is an idiot, for putting Rees in front of Hendrix on the depth chart.

or

B.) Some of you are just flat wrong about Hendrix being better than Rees.

I am pretty sure they did not have the same amount of time in Kelly's offense since Rees enrolled early which put him in the top 3 qb's in 2010 which in a way screwed Hendrix. Since Rees, Montana, and Crist were there all spring, summer, AND fall getting notre dame offense reps they have had MUCH more time in Kelly's offense than Hendrix has since he wasn't there for the '10 spring and during the fall was on scout team running other teams' offenses. Therefore, Golson has had nearly just as much time with the notre dame offense as Hendrix has since he early enrolled which is why I feel really bad for Hendrix and actually think he may never start for Notre Dame... simply because he didn't early enroll (Because I think he may be ahead of Rees right now if he had)

 

[NDinL.A.]

Some thoughts....

It's looking more and more like Hendrix might transfer. I don't want that, but if Golson steps on the field at all this year the Hendrix transferring odds will shoot through the roof.

Please don't post these things unless you have a link or have quotes. If there is no link, you're just spreading baseless rumors. Nowhere have I seen that Hendrix is even thinking about transferring. BK hasn't even said who is the #3/change of pace QB yet. If you have some quotes, then by all means, have at it. But until then, we shouldn't be spreading baseless rumors like USC fans would...

 

[Rocket89]

Please don't post these things unless you have a link or have quotes. If there is no link, you're just spreading baseless rumors. Nowhere have I seen that Hendrix is even thinking about transferring. BK hasn't even said who is the #3/change of pace QB yet. If you have some quotes, then by all means, have at it. But until then, we shouldn't be spreading baseless rumors like USC fans would...

These are the kind of comments I don't understand on IE.

What link or quote do I have to provide to provide an opinonated and educated guess about a player possibly transferring if he may be passed on the depth chart? We're really going to act like Andrew is on here and my comment just put the transfer bug into his head?

Nowhere did I claim knowledge that Hendrix is thinking about transferring, nor did I elude to him being unhappy with anything about his time at Notre Dame.

I'm one of the biggest Hendrix supporters around, but I'm trying to be real about the situation. In fact, I fully expect him to play this year and not transfer. But as talented and highly rated as he was, Hendrix might leave if Golson passes him, however unlikely it may be this season.

Please moderate better. If you're so worried about the image of IE, you wouldn't have responded to my rather harmless comment with a crass comment of your own.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

These are the kind of comments I don't understand on IE.

What link or quote do I have to provide to provide an opinonated and educated guess about a player possibly transferring if he may be passed on the depth chart? We're really going to act like Andrew is on here and my comment just put the transfer bug into his head?

Nowhere did I claim knowledge that Hendrix is thinking about transferring, nor did I elude to him being unhappy with anything about his time at Notre Dame.

I'm one of the biggest Hendrix supporters around, but I'm trying to be real about the situation. In fact, I fully expect him to play this year and not transfer. But as talented and highly rated as he was, Hendrix might leave if Golson passes him, however unlikely it may be this season.

Please moderate better. If you're so worried about the image of IE, you wouldn't have responded to my rather harmless comment with a crass comment of your own.

To be fair, you said something like "Its looking more and more like Hendrix will transfer". Thats different than "IMO, Hendrix might transfer if he's 4th on the DC all year long". The former sort of implies some mounting evidence...

I don't personally have a dog in the fight, but L.A.s point is that kinda reads like its fait accompli

 

[military_irish]

I say just put Golson and Hendrix in a split back shotgun formation. Then the defense will not know who the ball will be snapped to.

Or put Crist and Hendrix in the split back shotgun formation and Rees and Golson in another one. Then the defense will not know if it will a running QB who gets the ball or the passing QB with the ball. BAMMM!!! it is settled.

 

[Rocket89]

To be fair, you said something like "Its looking more and more like Hendrix will transfer". Thats different than "IMO, Hendrix might transfer if he's 4th on the DC all year long". The former sort of implies some mounting evidence...

I don't personally have a dog in the fight, but L.A.s point is that kinda reads like its fait accompli

It's looking more and more like Hendrix might transfer. I don't want that, but if Golson steps on the field at all this year the Hendrix transferring odds will shoot through the roof.

We had an entire thread devoted to talk like this, and we've been talking about it all summer.

I didn't need the principal to call me in his office.

 

[pkt77242]

We had an entire thread devoted to talk like this, and we've been talking about it all summer.

I didn't need the principal to call me in his office.

I thought that thread got deleted or locked because of this exact same reason.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Here we go again.......

Everyone wants to crown the next "up and coming" guy to be a star, before he has taken even ONE meaningful snap......

Potential and upside don't mean jack, folks. Results are what counts. Rees has results, Hendrix doesn't. I really don't care how well they can run. Do you people even listen to Kelly's pressers? He's already said that a QB doesn't have to be a runner, to run his offense. All he needs is some escapability. Rees wasn't Tony Rice last year, but he wasn't exactly Bernie Kosar either. Quit prognosticating based on your own personal wants, and listen and watch what is going on around you. Rees has the same amount of time in Kelly's system as Hendrix. He's already gotten meaningful (and successful) game time. Hendrix, according to some of you, is a way better QB than Rees. So which is more likely?

A.) Brian Kelly is an idiot, for putting Rees in front of Hendrix on the depth chart.

or

B.) Some of you are just flat wrong about Hendrix being better than Rees.

Rees actually has more time Kelly's system than Hendrix. He was an early enrollee and had a whole off-season to learn the play book and adapt to college life than Hendrix had. Hendrix was quite a bit behind in terms of understanding the offense last year. Kelly has said that he is way ahead of where he was this time last year but still behind Crist and Rees due to their PT last year. Golson is swimming is what I remember Kelly saying. Hendrix is ahead of him because he had more time to learn the play book. I believe from tapes I saw of Hendrix in HS and his performance in the spring game and the praises Kelly gave him last season that Hendrix is the more talented player. If he ever gets up to speed on learning the offense and play book, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he surpassed Rees. Rees did a serviceable job last year but he didn't do anything that made me think he would ever be a BCS QB. That is my personal opinion. Crist struggled at times but he looked the part of a BCS QB at times.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Rees has the same amount of time in Kelly's system as Hendrix. He's already gotten meaningful (and successful) game time.

As others have pointed out, Rees was an EE, so he's been in Kelly's system for an extra semester. Rees also ran a spread offense in high school, while Hendrix play in a pro-style. Those two factors largely account for the distance Rees has been able to put between himself and Hendrix.

That being said, I'd love to know exactly how much distance there is between Rees and Hendrix. One would expect Rees' extra camp (Spring '10), experience running the spread in high school, and four starts to give him a significant lead over Hendrix; but one would also expect Hendrix to eventually close the knowledge gap and ultimately overtake Rees with his superior athleticism.

I know Kelly has said he doesn't need the QB to run much, if at all, but running from the QB is in the playbook.

As I understand it, Kelly only uses three base running plays: inside zone, outside zone, and power. His favorite running play, the Option Read, is basically just an outside zone with the threat of a QB run tacked on. So other than that one play, I don't think there are many plays that only Hendrix and Golson can run because of their athleticism.

The main reason Kelly likes dual threat QBs is because they can extend plays with their legs, thereby giving the WRs more time to get open down field. That's Rees' biggest draw-back; it's crucial to Kelly's offense, and he's the only QB on our roster who simply can't do it.

 

[NDinL.A.]

These are the kind of comments I don't understand on IE.

What link or quote do I have to provide to provide an opinonated and educated guess about a player possibly transferring if he may be passed on the depth chart? We're really going to act like Andrew is on here and my comment just put the transfer bug into his head?

Nowhere did I claim knowledge that Hendrix is thinking about transferring, nor did I elude to him being unhappy with anything about his time at Notre Dame. YOU SAID "IT'S LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE HE'S GOING TO TRANSFER!!!" What else is there to say?

I'm one of the biggest Hendrix supporters around, but I'm trying to be real about the situation. In fact, I fully expect him to play this year and not transfer. But as talented and highly rated as he was, Hendrix might leave if Golson passes him, however unlikely it may be this season.

Please moderate better. If you're so worried about the image of IE, you wouldn't have responded to my rather harmless comment with a crass comment of your own.

How about posting better? How about not posting b.s. rumors in the same way Lindsay Lohan did on Mean Girls?

And how exactly is your post educated??? Are you at practice? Do you talk to Hendrix? Do you talk to his family? Have you read a quote from him? Have you read an article stating it? Have you heard an interview from coaches saying he was unhappy? Hell, have you even heard it from another message board which was talking about it? If the answer is 'no' to all of those questions (which you already admitted), then how in the hell is your post 'educated?

This is the Internet. Rumors spread like wildfire. If something is posted on DD, or ISD, or II, or anywhere, if it's juicy enough, it makes it's way to other places. For the life of me I can't fathom how you don't see how that works. I would think, as Notre Dame fans, we wouldn't want to be starting bullsh!t rumors about our own. You're OK with it. I'm not.

You're reminding me of this prick (not saying you're a prick, but this other guy is) on a USC board ("USCFILMNERD") who over the past couple years has started several b.s. rumors on ND players, some of which spread across the 'Net. His rumors: Manti was a silent to USC but his dad made him come to ND, Manti only came to ND to please his dad but would take his mission after his freshman yr and then transfer to USC, Manti hated South Bend and was transferring to SC, Dayne Crist hated the hire of BK and was transferring before he'd ever play a down for BK, Cierre Wood was being moved to saefty b/c he wasn't a good enough RB, etc. I took him to task on every single rumor, asking for links, quotes, and I showed him quotes and links which disputed every single Lindsay Lohan rumor of his. Believe me, I was a LOT nicer to you than I was to that idiot.

You're right...I should have moderated better. I should have just deleted it, but it was never about that. And it was never about Hendrix reading it and 'putting the transfer bug in his head' which is ridiculous. It's about people reading your post and assuming that it's true, b/c you've been posting here awhile, and thinking "why would a ND fan make something up about one of our own?" It's about posting better. Hendrix very well may eventually transfer (that wouldn't shock me), but again I ask, where is it looking 'more and more like he might transfer', when he hasn't even been ruled out as being behind Golson???

 

[Rocket89]

How about posting better? How about not posting b.s. rumors in the same way Lindsay Lohan did on Mean Girls?

And how exactly is your post educated??? Are you at practice? Do you talk to Hendrix? Do you talk to his family? Have you read a quote from him? Have you read an article stating it? Have you heard an interview from coaches saying he was unhappy? Hell, have you even heard it from another message board which was talking about it? If the answer is 'no' to all of those questions (which you already admitted), then how in the hell is your post 'educated?

This is the Internet. Rumors spread like wildfire. If something is posted on DD, or ISD, or II, or anywhere, if it's juicy enough, it makes it's way to other places. For the life of me I can't fathom how you don't see how that works. I would think, as Notre Dame fans, we wouldn't want to be starting bullsh!t rumors about our own. You're OK with it. I'm not.

You're reminding me of this prick (not saying you're a prick, but this other guy is) on a USC board ("USCFILMNERD") who over the past couple years has started several b.s. rumors on ND players, some of which spread across the 'Net. His rumors: Manti was a silent to USC but his dad made him come to ND, Manti only came to ND to please his dad but would take his mission after his freshman yr and then transfer to USC, Manti hated South Bend and was transferring to SC, Dayne Crist hated the hire of BK and was transferring before he'd ever play a down for BK, Cierre Wood was being moved to saefty b/c he wasn't a good enough RB, etc. I took him to task on every single rumor, asking for links, quotes, and I showed him quotes and links which disputed every single Lindsay Lohan rumor of his. Believe me, I was a LOT nicer to you than I was to that idiot.

You're right...I should have moderated better. I should have just deleted it, but it was never about that. And it was never about Hendrix reading it and 'putting the transfer bug in his head' which is ridiculous. It's about people reading your post and assuming that it's true, b/c you've been posting here awhile, and thinking "why would a ND fan make something up about one of our own?" It's about posting better. Hendrix very well may eventually transfer (that wouldn't shock me), but again I ask, where is it looking 'more and more like he might transfer', when he hasn't even been ruled out as being behind Golson???

First, I think we're overstating our importance just a little bit. That is the first thing that needs to be thrown out there.

Nowhere did I say that Hendrix is transferring. Nowhere did I say that he is thinking about transferring at the moment. Nowhere did I say that Hendrix is unhappy at Notre Dame. Nowhere was their any definitive statement saying I knew what Hendrix is going to do.

If you took away that I did say some of those things, then too bad for you. That's not what my intent was and I think my opinion was pretty clear. Don't come tell me I need sources to speak my opinion here.

It's ridiculous that you would even compare me to some troll on a USC board who claims to have direct knowledge of a situation and was wrong. I was simply saying that if Golson plays this year, then Hendrix might transfer. The same thing a million people have said over the past 6 months.

If someone reads my ONE SENTENCE and thinks I'm spreading "rumors" about Hendrix leaving, well...I don't know what to say to that.

If someone takes those handful of words and goes around the ND community saying Hendrix is transferring because of my words, then they are pretty stupid. There are dozens of comments every day that could be twisted and turned into wild rumors...I don't see why the message board police needed to take issue with mine.

Even in the unlikliest scenario that my tiny comment started a "OMG HENDRIX IS TRANSFERRING" apocalypse, I say so what??

I mean really what is the issue here?

Are you really concerned that this "wild rumor" is going to spread and make Irish Envy look bad? It's almost laughable that you would think that. Irish Envy looked bad, but it's not because of anything I said or did.

You honest to God believed you were saving a wild rumor from being spread by responding to my comments in the manner in which you did?

What's more, there was no way in a million years that anyone (besides you I guess) would have read my ENTIRE comment and come away thinking Hendrix was transferring, or that I was spreading rumors that he was.

If you're so concerned about the reputation at Irish Envy and felt like you had to confront me for my rather tame comment, well....I think you failed. I might expect someone to twist my argument around and yell at me at NDN, but not here.

I said, "It's looking more and more like Hendrix MIGHT transfer. I don't want that, but if Golson steps on the field at all this year the Hendrix transferring odds will shoot through the roof."

There is nothing wrong with what that statement. I repeat, there is absolutely nothing wrong with those two sentences. But there is something wrong with your response to them. You didn't even put the "might" into your quote of me. That's absolutely crucial to what I was saying.

If I really have to sit here and defend myself for those words then Irish Envy is failing me.

If you didn't like what I said, that's honestly too bad for you. I was speaking my opinion about the matter, and if you want to debate the essence of what I said, then have at it. But please don't pull out the Mod Police BS, it's ridiculous.

Just like people can go spread rumors about a player transferring (apparently a HUGE issue in your world), so can people spread rumors about a message board being uninviting and a place where posts are deleted, posts are twisted and you're taken to town over harmless comments and opinions.

Think about that.

 

[Rocket89]

As I understand it, Kelly only uses three base running plays: inside zone, outside zone, and power. His favorite running play, the Option Read, is basically just an outside zone with the threat of a QB run tacked on. So other than that one play, I don't think there are many plays that only Hendrix and Golson can run because of their athleticism.

The main reason Kelly likes dual threat QBs is because they can extend plays with their legs, thereby giving the WRs more time to get open down field. That's Rees' biggest draw-back; it's crucial to Kelly's offense, and he's the only QB on our roster who simply can't do it.

Your second comment on extending plays is the most important. Clearly Kelly wants that above all else.

But there are still running plays for the QB to utlitize. No, there aren't many of them, but they are there.

As it is, Crist runs most of them. He will run the option read and some QB draws. Kelly might focus more on escapability, but these two QB running plays are necessary for his offense...at least every once in a while.

Hendrix and Golson on the other hand, are likely working on running the option and triple option. Perhaps those plays never become part of the playbook, but I would be shocked if they weren't if and when either of these two become starters. So when I think about Kelly's full offense, I think about running those plays too...but they probably aren't critical.

 

[Rhode Irish]

As I understand it, Kelly only uses three base running plays: inside zone, outside zone, and power. His favorite running play, the Option Read, is basically just an outside zone with the threat of a QB run tacked on. So other than that one play, I don't think there are many plays that only Hendrix and Golson can run because of their athleticism.

The main reason Kelly likes dual threat QBs is because they can extend plays with their legs, thereby giving the WRs more time to get open down field. That's Rees' biggest draw-back; it's crucial to Kelly's offense, and he's the only QB on our roster who simply can't do it.

You dismiss the significance of the read option as one play while acknowledging that it is BK's favorite play. Some offenses in CFB are built around that one play. I think they're fine with playing a pro-style QB (Crist or Rees) running the offense because they are far more prepared to play and there is enough of the playbook for them to run, but I do think he would much prefer that he had a QB that could run the read option effectively.

If one of the QB's on the roster with the skill set to run it progresses to the point where they are ready to play, I would not be surprised at all if that guy (most likely Hendrix) jumped Rees on the depth chart. Maybe that can't happen this year, but I do think Hendrix will see the field in a package based on the read option and he'll have the chance to get some game experience.

I think that Golson will ultimately be the starter in 2013. I don't know what that means for Hendrix, but I do think he'll have the chance to fight Everett off, and this year will be important for him because I do not think they will burn a year of Golson's eligibility.

 

[IrishTimer]

Whenever Crist is gone as the starting QB it will be Golson. He's tailor made for the offense.

Honestly I expect to see Golson starting from 2012-2014/2015 depending of he uses a year of eligibility this season.

Golson has been getting rave reviews for his improvement recently as well as his willingness to learn, his absorption of the offense and his leadership.

 

[NDinFL]

Whenever Crist is gone as the starting QB it will be Golson. He's tailor made for the offense.

Honestly I expect to see Golson starting from 2012-2014/2015 depending of he uses a year of eligibility this season.

Golson has been getting rave reviews for his improvement recently as well as his willingness to learn, his absorption of the offense and his leadership.

Thank you

 

[IrishTimer]

Hendrix and Golson on the other hand, are likely working on running the option and triple option.................. So when I think about Kelly's full offense, I think about running those plays too...but they probably aren't critical.

They aren't running the triple option. It's basically a playbook that would involve some more zone read(Hendrix) and a lot more zone read(Golson).

Golson basically (will)offer Notre Dame the ability to run a fully functioning and operational spread offense.


If Golson isn't the starter next season I'd be shocked. If he's not the starter in 2013 I'll eat my keyboard.

 

[Rocket89]

They aren't running the triple option. It's basically a playbook that would involve some more zone read(Hendrix) and a lot more zone read(Golson).

Golson basically (will)offer Notre Dame the ability to run a fully functioning and operational spread offense.


If Golson isn't the starter next season I'd be shocked. If he's not the starter in 2013 I'll eat my keyboard.

I can't find the video, but they were shown running the triple option with Wood and Riddick in the backfield in the spring. It's probably a play they will almost never run, but it must be in the playbook.

 

[Riddickulous]

If Golson isn't the starter next season I'd be shocked. If he's not the starter in 2013 I'll eat my keyboard.

Unless Dayne Crist does poorly this year (or gets injured), he'll be the starter through 2012. Take it to the bank.

 

[kmoose]

Whenever Crist is gone as the starting QB it will be Golson. He's tailor made for the offense.

Honestly I expect to see Golson starting from 2012-2014/2015 depending of he uses a year of eligibility this season.

Golson has been getting rave reviews for his improvement recently as well as his willingness to learn, his absorption of the offense and his leadership.

Until the next 4/5* QB commits to ND. Then, THAT guy will be getting rave reviews, and will be poised to steal the starting spot from the guy currently getting rave reviews. Unless another 4/5* comes along, the year after him, and then HE will be the one getting rave reviews, and will just need a little more time with the playbook before HE starts.........Wash, Rinse, Repeat.........ad infinitum

 

[Rhode Irish]

Until the next 4/5* QB commits to ND. Then, THAT guy will be getting rave reviews, and will be poised to steal the starting spot from the guy currently getting rave reviews. Unless another 4/5* comes along, the year after him, and then HE will be the one getting rave reviews, and will just need a little more time with the playbook before HE starts.........Wash, Rinse, Repeat.........ad infinitum

Um...yeah. That is the way this works. A guy comes in and is talented but raw, and he has more experienced guys ahead of him. Eventually he becomes the more experienced guy starting ahead of a talented underclassman. And so on. That is the cycle of a college athlete. Not sure why it bothers you so much.

 

[irish1958]

Red Shirt Golson and then use him for four years. He has the advantage in that the NFL will never take him, so he can be the guaranteed starter for four years.

 

[NDinL.A.]

First, I think we're overstating our importance just a little bit. That is the first thing that needs to be thrown out there.

Really? John Turner, a ND VERBAL, admitted he reads Irish Envy in an interview with a reporter. Aaron Lynch, Mr. friggin Beast/Stud has POSTED on Irish Envy. So has his mom, as we all know. Chris Badger's brother has posted on ISD, and gave us the pleasure of reading an inspirational email his sent to his brother (phenomenal message btw). BGIF can tell you the countless number of recruits' family members who have posted and/or read this site. And there have been recruits who have publicly stated that they were turned off of certain schools, even decommitting in a couple of cases, b/c of fans on message boards. But keep thinking that I'm making this stuff up.

Nowhere did I say that Hendrix is transferring. Nowhere did I say that he is thinking about transferring at the moment. Nowhere did I say that Hendrix is unhappy at Notre Dame. Nowhere was their any definitive statement saying I knew what Hendrix is going to do.

I doesn't have to be definitive. Saying that it looks like he's going to transfer implies that you know something. So where is your proof? How many times do I have to ask this? Like I said, you're acting like Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls. Just making sh!t up, and what's sad is that it's about our own player. Did BK make him #4? Any links? Any quotes? Anything? Your original post said that it's looking more and more likely that he is going to transfer, which is a complete lie. Why in the hell do you get all butt-hurt when someone asks you to provide some proof??? If you can't handle a simple request, then why are you even posting that? How hard would it have been to simply say, " I wouldn't be surprised if Hendrix eventually transferred?" Or, "IMO Golson is better and Hendrix will have a decision to make." Instead, you lie and say it's looking more and more like he's going to transfer, which again, is complete bullsh!t. I could say the same about Golson. However, I'm not Lindsay Lohan.

If you took away that I did say some of those things, then too bad for you. That's not what my intent was and I think my opinion was pretty clear. Don't come tell me I need sources to speak my opinion here.

If you had stated it like an opinion, I wouldn't have said a word. You said it was likely going to happen. Why? Because BK hasn't named a #3 yet?

It's ridiculous that you would even compare me to some troll on a USC board who claims to have direct knowledge of a situation and was wrong. I was simply saying that if Golson plays this year, then Hendrix might transfer. The same thing a million people have said over the past 6 months.

You didn't start your post out that way, but nice try. You immediately said that it Hendrix was more and more likely going to transfer. Don't get hurt when someone asks you to verify that.

Are you really concerned that this "wild rumor" is going to spread and make Irish Envy look bad? It's almost laughable that you would think that. Irish Envy looked bad, but it's not because of anything I said or did.

LOL...Where do you come with this stuff? It has absolutely nothing to do with the site looking bad. It has to do with you not saying bullsh!t rumors about a ND player. You keep acting as if this was a moderating thing. It isn't. I would have deleted it if it was. This is one Irish fan to another asking you not to say bullsh!t rumors about a ND kid.

You honest to God believed you were saving a wild rumor from being spread by responding to my comments in the manner in which you did?

Never thought it would lead to wildfire. But as a ND fan, I can't stand it when people make sh!t up about out players. Is that a bad thing? Sue me. I'd do it to the next guy that spread a bullsh!t rumor about our player as well.

There is nothing wrong with what that statement. I repeat, there is absolutely nothing wrong with those two sentences. But there is something wrong with your response to them. You didn't even put the "might" into your quote of me. That's absolutely crucial to what I was saying.

That's your opinion. I completely disagree. I didn't erase it, so stop trying to act as if I modded your post. I had a problem with your opening to the post, which you just made something up out of thin air.

And OK, again, what proof is there that he might transfer? That's what I thought.

If I really have to sit here and defend myself for those words then Irish Envy is failing me.

We're not here to pass or fail you. If you don't like another poster asking you what proof you have that one of our players might transfer, then don't post bullsh!t rumors. If you can back it up, then have at it.

If you didn't like what I said, that's honestly too bad for you. I was speaking my opinion about the matter, and if you want to debate the essence of what I said, then have at it. But please don't pull out the Mod Police BS, it's ridiculous.

Didn't mod it, did I?

Just like people can go spread rumors about a player transferring (apparently a HUGE issue in your world), so can people spread rumors about a message board being uninviting and a place where posts are deleted, posts are twisted and you're taken to town over harmless comments and opinions.

Think about that.

It's 90% to 10% people that call this place inviting vs. uninviting, if not more. That's a damn good ration, as there is no way on God's green earth that you are going to please everyone. I have the PMs to prove it. Think about that. Your post wasn't deleted, nor was it twisted. I took YOUR words, and asked you for proof, as a normal poster. If I wanted your thoughts deleted, I could have easily deleted them. That's not what this is about. You couldn't handle it me asking for some proof. That's a you issue, not a me issue. Think about that.

 

[kmoose]

Um...yeah. That is the way this works. A guy comes in and is talented but raw, and he has more experienced guys ahead of him. Eventually he becomes the more experienced guy starting ahead of a talented underclassman. And so on. That is the cycle of a college athlete. Not sure why it bothers you so much.

It bothers me because (gets out the old man soapbox) some of the "kids" on here have obviously not watched a lot of college football. Not many of those "talented but inexperienced" guys ever turn out to be anything. Some people around here want to name Golson an All American, already. Get real, people. Let the kid get his chance, and THEN let's see how good he is! I don't care how much the coaches have raved about him. They're just answering questions from reporters. And I can't recall any coach ever answering a question about one of his kids with a "That guy sucks!! But we offered him a scholarship, so we're keeping him on the team." It insults my "old man-ness", that people RAVE about players who have never even seen the field yet. It smacks of arrogance, on the part of the ravers.

But this is just one conservative old man's opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[IrishTimer]

Until the next 4/5* QB commits to ND.

Not even sure ND takes a QB this cycle....

And if we get another one in 1-2 years Golson will already be starting....and that next guy will be taking over after him..so uh...what's your point exactly?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Coaches aren't going to say "Hahaha yeah he sucks we messed up giving him a scholarship!" but they don't think, "Well this guy sucks but let's say he's good to trick those *******s at IE!" If he wasn't doing well he wouldn't be mentioned.

 

[kmoose]

Coaches aren't going to say "Hahaha yeah he sucks we messed up giving him a scholarship!" but they don't think, "Well this guy sucks but let's say he's good to trick those *******s at IE!" If he wasn't doing well he wouldn't be mentioned.

When a reporter asks a coach, "Coach, how's Freshman Johnson doing, in practice?", the coach has no choice but to address it.

 

[kmoose]

Not even sure ND takes a QB this cycle....

And if we get another one in 1-2 years Golson will already be starting....and that next guy will be taking over after him..so uh...what's your point exactly?

My point is that, as soon as that next one signs, some people around here will already be telling us that he will be the starter because the coaches are raving about his leadership, and he's a better fit for Kelly's offense, yadda, yadda, yadda...........

 

[IrishTimer]

I can't find the video, but they were shown running the triple option with Wood and Riddick in the backfield in the spring. It's probably a play they will almost never run, but it must be in the playbook.

Gadget plays don't equate to an offense being built around those guys. I'm sure you might see a wrinkle with it in there but Notre Dame isn't spending any expanded time running Golson out of the triple option Golson was a mobile throw first guy in HS. He's tailor suited for a throwing spread with a lot of zone read mixed in.

He's not Kevin McDougal.

Unless Dayne Crist does poorly this year (or gets injured), he'll be the starter through 2012. Take it to the bank.

If Crist plays well this year he's gone. If he's not gone he splitting time with Golson next season.

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

Gadget plays don't equate to an offense being built around those guys. I'm sure you might see a wrinkle with it in there but I Notre Dame isn't spending any expanded time running Golson out of the triple option Golson was a mobile throw first guy in HS. He's tailor suited for a throwing spread with a lot of zone read mixed in.

He's not Kevin McDougal.


If Crist plays well this year he's gone. If he's not gone he splitting time with Golson next season.

I don't agree with this. I think Crist definitely comes back next year and starts again to increase his appeal for the next level.