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Michigan QB Devin Gardner granted an extra year of eligibility

Michigan QB Devin Gardner granted an extra year of eligibility

Huge news today coming out of A2. Gardner who played the first few games of his Freshman season in 2010, had some back problems. A strong discussion among the fanbase was whether or not he'd get an extra year.

He got it today. Now it seems the highly-touted QB Shane Morris will RS, and sit out 2014.

So that means, should Michigan decide to play ND in 2014, Devin Gardner will get two cracks at you guys.

I think he is a 100% better decision maker than Denard was. And I love Denard.

Devin Gardner of Michigan Wolverines granted fifth year of eligibility by Big Ten - ESPN
 
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Wolverine1997 said:
Huge news today coming out of A2. Gardner who played the first few games of his Freshman season in 2010, had some back problems. A strong discussion among the fanbase was whether or not he'd get an extra year.

He got it today. Now it seems the highly-touted QB Shane Morris will RS, and sit out 2014.

So that means, should Michigan decide to play ND in 2014, Devin Gardner will get two cracks at you guys.

I think he is a 100% better decision maker than Denard was. And I love Denard.

Devin Gardner of Michigan Wolverines granted fifth year of eligibility by Big Ten - ESPN
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100% better decision maker? Who has he even beaten as a starter?
 
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rocket66 said:
It's hilarious how quick UM fans are to throw Denard under the bus in an effort to make Gardner sound like a good qb. Just last season Denard was the savior and a Heisman candidate. Good stuff.
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Denard was the only Michigan player who I have ever liked. But I think Gardner could be a pretty good player for Michigan.
 
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Gardner a top10 QB? Maybe in the BIG. He and Funchess lit up the bottom half of the BIG last year and now are all of a sudden going to be studs? Behind a completely gutted OLine? With no RB or WRs? I like Gallon as much as the next guy, but there is no way he is a #1.

And as far as decisions go in regards to making better ones vs Denard, Gardner won't make you pay with his feet like Denard did. Denard was a field seer, he saw cracks before they were there. I am totally cool blitzing the hell out of Gardner and not worrying about coverage too much.
 
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rocket66 said:
It's hilarious how quick UM fans are to throw Denard under the bus in an effort to make Gardner sound like a good qb. Just last season Denard was the savior and a Heisman candidate. Good stuff.
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Seriously. If Shoelace had been able to play out his career under DickRod, he probably would have won a Heisman.
 
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GBdomer said:
This was suppose to happen about 5 weeks ago this is first time you guys are hearing about this?
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No, sir. I was well aware of the appeal for the extra year. I just didn't thin he had a chance to get it (and that was BEFORE Slaughter was denied). Clearly there's more than we know here, because otherwise ND/Slaughter just got a big FU from the NCAA.
 
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NDTex over at HLS just posted a good article on why Slaughter's situation was significantly different than Gardner's:

Notre Dame didn’t have enough medical documentation to prove that Slaughter’s redshirt year in 2008 was actually due to an injury. Thus, the NCAA ruled that Notre Dame could only prove that Slaughter missed one year and not two due to injury. A normal redshirt year counts against the five year clock as it isn’t a true opportunity missed to play, but rather a strategic decision to purposefully bench the player all season. By doing this, a player retains his four years of playing eligibility, but stays within the five year period that the NCAA allows for athletic participation.

The ruling still sucks for Slaughter, but the NCAA definitely got this one right — even though it pains me greatly to admit so.
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Tex isn't wrong.... but I don't understand how Michigan proved any injury for 2010 ("bad back" is what they told the NCAA) when there was never any indication of an injury to his back at any point in the 2010 season.

If you can find an injury report, article, or Q&A from the time of the "injury" in 2010 then I'll buy it. But I haven't seen it, and he didn't have any operation to address it, so that is why I still think him getting an extra year is total BS. I have serious doubts that he was ever injured or that the injury caused him to be benched for the latter half of the season. I have seen nothing suggesting that he wasn't practicing with the team, etc. over the latter half of that season as if he was fully healthy. At ANY big time college it would be all over the papers/web if your backup QB was injured and out for the season.

EDIT: In fact, let me supplement it with this... Scout.com: GBW Video: Bowl Practice (12/18)

If Devin Gardner was healthy enough to be practicing the entire season.... and there was never a report of an injury... and he was benched NOT because of any injury.... HOW THE **** DOES HE GET THAT YEAR BACK!?
 
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We don't know what type of evidence Michigan presented to the NCAA regarding Gardner's injury, so there's little sense in getting worked up about it.

My two main takeaways from that article were: (1) that the burden of proof was much harder to sustain in Slaughter's case-- having gone beyond his 5-year window-- than in Gardner's; and (2) that it was much easier for Michigan to argue about a 2-year old case than ND to argue about a 4-year old case.

Whether that's evidence of negligence by Weis' staff, I don't know, and don't really care to dwell on.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
We don't know what type of evidence Michigan presented to the NCAA regarding Gardner's injury, so there's little sense in getting worked up about it.

My two main takeaways from that article were: (1) that the burden of proof was much harder to sustain in Slaughter's case-- having gone beyond his 5-year window-- than in Gardner's; and (2) that it was much easier for Michigan to argue about a 2-year old case than ND to argue about a 4-year old case.

Whether that's evidence of negligence by Weis' staff, I don't know, and don't really care to dwell on.
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This is why I think there IS use getting worked up about it. There was never a peep anywhere until 2 years after said "injury" when they decided it would be nice for him to have an extra year and then they conveniently had "forgotten" to file paperwork when the "injury" happened.

His "bad back" seems as real as Lennay Kekua.

At least Slaughter actually TORE SOMETHING IN HIS KNEE which there was documentation of. The problem was the injury happened after his HS season and not actually in college... making the causal effect trail difficult, especially if he was practicing all the time.
 
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IrishLax said:
This is why I think there IS use getting worked up about it. There was never a peep anywhere until 2 years after said "injury" when they decided it would be nice for him to have an extra year and then they conveniently had "forgotten" to file paperwork when the "injury" happened.
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Michigan may have intentionally suppressed news of Gardner's injury. There was a real chance he would be called on to fill in for Denard in 2010, so they probably did their best to keep any such injury under wraps.

As for having "forgotten" to file the paperwork, again we're just speculating. Has ND filed anything with the NCAA regarding Massa's injury? Maybe not, because the odds of him getting asked back for a 5Y are not good. Might have been a similar situation here.

Point being, Jen Vining-Smith took it upon herself to push back against this entire theory on Twitter. If the process is truly as arbitrary as you're implying (and none of us knows better than she), then why would she bother?

At least Slaughter actually TORE SOMETHING IN HIS KNEE which there was documentation of. The problem was the injury happened after his HS season and not actually in college... making the causal effect trail difficult, especially if he was practicing all the time.
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Exactly. Michigan likely had records of treatment for Gardner from a couple years ago-- cortisone shots, X-rays, etc. Would ND have had the same thing for Slaughter from 4-5 years ago? Apparently not.
 
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The Wolverines backup QB Russell Belomy tore his ACL.

Shane Morris is now the backup QB at Michigan.

:)
 
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Ironman8 said:
The Wolverines backup QB Russell Belomy tore his ACL.

Shane Morris is not the backup QB at Michigan.

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Not very likely it happens but I would love to see Shane get thrown the wolves next year. Tuitt and Company would have a field day sacking that kid. Again very unlikely but a guy can dream right.
 
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Ironman8 said:
The Wolverines backup QB Russell Belomy tore his ACL.

Shane Morris is not the backup QB at Michigan.

:)
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"not" or "now"

Not trying to be a smarta** but that one letter completely changes the meaning. I'm assuming you meant "now."
 
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He only played briefly last year but Bellomy looked absolutely horrible. If Gardner goes down, Michigan is screwed.
 
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