All Things SCOTUS

[Polish Leppy 22]

Same sex marriage should be next. Let the people and their elected officials decide in each state.

Add education to the list. It is not mentioned in the Constitution, so the feds should have no role. Leave it to the states.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You can drop the Trump references towards me. I didn't vote for him either time. I've noted that more than once on this forum. I'm not toeing any party line, especially his. I think for myself. I didn't say that you never criticized the protests of last year. I specifically said "some of you," meaning most of those on the Left. I don't specifically recall your reactions, but will gladly accept your claim that you condemned the riots and called for arrests.

We both know, however, that the majority of those on the Left, here at IE and in the general public and, most of all, the political leaders of the Democrat party and their media lackeys were almost completely silent about condemning any of it. Remember, they were the ones calling it all "mostly peaceful protests" while cities burned, drivers were assaulted on the highways, old people trying to protect their businesses were beaten, stores looted, police attacked, and government buildings burned or otherwise attacked and damaged. So yeah, your side most certainly DID turn a blind eye and remain silent as long as it was Leftists doing the rioting. To get worked up about Jan 6th when most of your people didn't have a damned thing to say six months earlier is disgusting and hypocritical. Those of us on the right have condemned BOTH acts. We just don't feel a need to grossly exaggerate one of them and portray it as something it wasn't.

As for Federal intervention in a state or local police issue, I am generally against Federal interference, but in this case the locals and state were doing nothing to protect innocent bystanders. They abrogated their duty to protect "some" citizens because it was politically expedient to "let it burn" and let the leftist thugs create chaos. It was hard to see much difference between antifa riots and other leftist groups, and the Brown Shirt assaults and destruction of the '30s. Certainly the method and goals were the same. Since local and state authorities made it clear they weren't going to do their job, the Feds were right to send in troops. In the 60's when Blacks were assaulted for trying to vote and integrate society in the South, and local and state officials wouldn't protect them (because they WANTED them to be assaulted), the Feds were right to send in troops to do what the locals should've but wouldn't do. Same principle here. I'm against Fed interference in most cases, but recognize it's necessity in some cases.

 

[Blazers46]

Sorry, are we saying that January 6th isn't a big deal because there are other protests happening elsewhere now? If someone breaks the law, arrest them and apply the law to them. That's the whole point of many of these protests.

Also, any attempt to describe being upset at the January 6th tragedy as "virtue signaling" is such a despicably petulant sentiment. Officers were killed. Congress was a few doors away from a violent mob. Secret service agents were forced to gun down a citizen and barricade doors in our own house. Douchebag conspiracy theorist in cosplay were taking photos in areas of solemn significance to our peoples history. Our sitting President was claiming that the election was fraudulent, and was openly taking steps to overturn our most sacred tradition of a peaceful transition without any significant evidence in support of his claims and despite the pleas from those in his cabinet. America had never appeared weaker and our country's enemies were gleeful that the great experiment was melting down.

If your first gut reaction to seeing other violent and non-violent protests is to begin to justify that day, seriously accept this hearty "fuck you" from me personally.

I think the feeling (or at least for me) is that in 2020 rioting and looting was normalized and minimized. We had politicians encouraging and cheerleading. In the process people died, businesses burned, cities burned, police stations overrun, federal buildings vandalized... whole city blocks essentially occupied and claiming to be self governed... this was the actions by the left, encouraged by the leftist politicians.

Those on the right were screaming about how wrong this was. Those on the left downplayed it... some rationalized and excused it. It was completely okay to many because this was their team.

The same politicians are now holding Jan 6 hearings to basically call out another politician for essentially doing exactly what they did. Jan 6 rioting suddenly became a white nationlist thing. We still have leftist media and politicians claiming the biggest threat to our nation is white nationalism and they use Jan 6th as their argument. Its like 2020 never happened.

Now we have the same charactors in Maxine Watters and the AOCs encouraging and rooting this on.

"To hell with the Supreme Court"
"Defy the Supreme Court"

Even after all the protesting and threats the SCOTUS has recieved... even after some derranged dude had to be talked out of trying to assassinate Kavanaugh...

So yeah... you can pretend the right is saying Jan 6th isn't a big deal but look in the mirror. This is how the left fires up its base.... as my 5 year old says "rage mode".

If you cannot see this rhetoric coming from the left is insanely hypocritical and potentially just as, if not more, damaging and dangerous as anything Trump ever said.... a big hearty fuck you right back at you.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Why do you think any Americans should care what a Confederate traitor like you thinks? You and your ilk have hated this country for over 160 years. January 6 was your chance for “the South to rise again” and you failed miserably. Now you go out of your way to downplay everything that happened that day. You try to compare it to any other riots when you know goddamn well that THERE ARE NO COMPARISONS! It’s too bad the Union armies didn’t raze everything south of the Mason-Dixon.

Uhhhh is this a joke? Is this Keith Olbermann?

The only part you got right here is there are no comparisons: on Jan 6th, a group of nutjobs broke into the US capitol and ran around. One person was shot by capitol police and died. Those people should and will face consequences for their actions. In the riots of 2020 that we saw in MULTIPLE CITIES, Antifa and BLM shut down highways, cities burned, property damage, businesses were in flames, police officers were killed, innocents injured, federal courthouse was ablaze, and the left was SILENT the whole time.

So yes, there is no comparison.

 

[greyhammer90]

Why do you think any Americans should care what a Confederate traitor like you thinks? You and your ilk have hated this country for over 160 years. January 6 was your chance for “the South to rise again” and you failed miserably. Now you go out of your way to downplay everything that happened that day. You try to compare it to any other riots when you know goddamn well that THERE ARE NO COMPARISONS! It’s too bad the Union armies didn’t raze everything south of the Mason-Dixon.

The South rules even if Bishop doesnt.

 

[Blazers46]

Why do you think any Americans should care what a Confederate traitor like you thinks? You and your ilk have hated this country for over 160 years. January 6 was your chance for “the South to rise again” and you failed miserably. Now you go out of your way to downplay everything that happened that day. You try to compare it to any other riots when you know goddamn well that THERE ARE NO COMPARISONS! It’s too bad the Union armies didn’t raze everything south of the Mason-Dixon.

Lets be real. If these Jan 6thers are the most dangerous people in America then we are some weak ass Americans. Stop being so soft. At the end of the day these guys were essentially let in. What are they doing that the left was not doing this weekend. I can find videos of better guarded buildings in random cities across the United States.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Why do you think any Americans should care what a Confederate traitor like you thinks? You and your ilk have hated this country for over 160 years. January 6 was your chance for “the South to rise again” and you failed miserably. Now you go out of your way to downplay everything that happened that day. You try to compare it to any other riots when you know goddamn well that THERE ARE NO COMPARISONS! It’s too bad the Union armies didn’t raze everything south of the Mason-Dixon.

One of the most ignorant, misinformed things ever written in this forum. I'm not a "Confederate." I dont' live in The South. Haven't for years. Even if I did, so what? I wasn't alive 160 years ago. I have ZERO responsibility for what anyone, including my own ancestors, did before I was born. Are you responsible for everything bad done before you were born in the place you live?

You're right, there IS no comparison between Jan 6th and the riots the summer before. Jan 6th was a a few unarmed hooligans and nuts running around showing their asses and making a mess. Calling it an armed attempt to overthrow the government makes you sound like a hyperventilating 13-year-old girl exaggerating everything. They didn't kill anyone and did minimal damage.... broken windows, a few busted doors, etc. The riots the summer before killed several people and did millions of dollars worth of damage to multiple cities, destroyed dozens of businesses, and disrupted the lives of thousands of people.

 

[Blazers46]

One of the most ignorant, misinformed things ever written in this forum. I'm not a "Confederate." I dont' live in The South. Haven't for years. Even if I did, so what? I wasn't alive 160 years ago. I have ZERO responsibility for what anyone, including my own ancestors, did before I was born. Are you responsible for everything bad done before you were born in the place you live?

You're right, there IS no comparison between Jan 6th and the riots the summer before. Jan 6th was a a few unarmed hooligans and nuts running around showing their asses and making a mess. Calling it an armed attempt to overthrow the government makes you sound like a hyperventilating 13-year-old girl exaggerating everything. They didn't kill anyone and did minimal damage.... broken windows, a few busted doors, etc. The riots the summer before killed several people and did millions of dollars worth of damage to multiple cities, destroyed dozens of businesses, and disrupted the lives of thousands of people.

They are on tilt. I think all the lefties on this thread have been calling people names like a bunch of 3rd graders the last few days. Call them a name... any name... they will cry and report you to the admins until they ban you for the week or until you renounce your allegiance to the confederate forces. They have probably reported half of us to the FBI already...

 

[SeekNDestroy]

One of the most ignorant, misinformed things ever written in this forum. I'm not a "Confederate." I dont' live in The South. Haven't for years. Even if I did, so what? I wasn't alive 160 years ago. I have ZERO responsibility for what anyone, including my own ancestors, did before I was born. Are you responsible for everything bad done before you were born in the place you live?

You're right, there IS no comparison between Jan 6th and the riots the summer before. Jan 6th was a a few unarmed hooligans and nuts running around showing their asses and making a mess. Calling it an armed attempt to overthrow the government makes you sound like a hyperventilating 13-year-old girl exaggerating everything. They didn't kill anyone and did minimal damage.... broken windows, a few busted doors, etc. The riots the summer before killed several people and did millions of dollars worth of damage to multiple cities, destroyed dozens of businesses, and disrupted the lives of

They are on tilt. I think all the lefties on this thread have been calling people names like a bunch of 3rd graders the last few days. Call them a name... any name... they will cry and report you to the admins until they ban you for the week or until you renounce your allegiance to the confederate forces. They have probably reported half of us to the FBI already...

Anybody who flys the Confederate battle flag and is an American citizen is a traitor to this country. Even 3rd graders can grasp that concept.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Add education to the list. It is not mentioned in the Constitution, so the feds should have no role. Leave it to the states.

This was one of the main principles our nation was founded on, and for good reason. Jefferson, Adams, and the other Founding Fathers were aware that the typical history of great empires, kingdoms, nations, and civilizations of the past was to start off with a small, benevolent government, but it would always become corrupt, power hungry, bloated, intrusive, oppressive, top-heavy, bureaucratic, and eventually collapse under its own weight or rot from within. Their goal was to word our Constitution and set up our government in such a way that the STATES had almost all the power and the Federal government was little more than a clearing house, a facilitator, and would represent an association of the states in things like foreign trade, diplomacy, or a combined military. The individual states were to have complete control over all things not specifically given by the Constitution to the Federal government. This was designed to accomplish two things: minimize the power accumulated by a centralized and inherently power hungry government, and to make the individual states somewhat competitive with each other for talent, wealth, populations, etc. In other words, if you don't like how one state does things, you can move to one that you like better.

Unfortunately, and directly against the clearly stated reasons of our Founding Fathers, the Federal government has steadily eroded the rights of individual states and assumed more and more control over marriage, education, morality, health care, and just about every other aspect of life. Education, gay marriage, abortion, and just about all those other matters should be left to the individual states to decide, not the Feds.

 

[NorthDakota]

Your seeming obsession with denying people rights is borderline-creepy. You okay?

I'm doing well, thank you.

I dont think there is some inherent right to contraception, abortion, or gay marriage in the United States Constitution.

Creepy obsession would be dedicating my life to overturning Griswold, and calling for state/national bans on contraception... and advocating for strong enforcement of said ban.

Even dedicating my life to overturning Griswold wouldn't be creepy. It would be kinda goofy at worst because no state is going to go outlaw the use of contraception.

Do I care if someone uses contraception? No. Should it be legal? Yep. Absolutely.

 

[Blazers46]

Anybody who flys the Confederate battle flag and is an American citizen is a traitor to this country. Even 3rd graders can grasp that concept.

So is anyone saying okay with someone "the hell with the Supreme Court" or "defy the Court".

But glad we could both agree you are acting like a 3rd grader.

 

[ab2cmiller]

This was one of the main principles our nation was founded on, and for good reason. Jefferson, Adams, and the other Founding Fathers were aware that the typical history of great empires, kingdoms, nations, and civilizations of the past was to start off with a small, benevolent government, but it would always become corrupt, power hungry, bloated, intrusive, oppressive, top-heavy, bureaucratic, and eventually collapse under its own weight or rot from within. Their goal was to word our Constitution and set up our government in such a way that the STATES had almost all the power and the Federal government was little more than a clearing house, a facilitator, and would represent an association of the states in things like foreign trade, diplomacy, or a combined military. The individual states were to have complete control over all things not specifically given by the Constitution to the Federal government. This was designed to accomplish two things: minimize the power accumulated by a centralized and inherently power hungry government, and to make the individual states somewhat competitive with each other for talent, wealth, populations, etc. In other words, if you don't like how one state does things, you can move to one that you like better.

Unfortunately, and directly against the clearly stated reasons of our Founding Fathers, the Federal government has steadily eroded the rights of individual states and assumed more and more control over marriage, education, morality, health care, and just about every other aspect of life. Education, gay marriage, abortion, and just about all those other matters should be left to the individual states to decide, not the Feds.

I've stayed out of this fight. But man this is spot on.

 

[Blazers46]

I've stayed out of this fight. But man this is spot on.

Silence is violence....

 

[Bishop2b5]

Anybody who flys the Confederate battle flag and is an American citizen is a traitor to this country. Even 3rd graders can grasp that concept.

So, who's flying a Confederate battle flag? And if they are, so what? How does it hurt you? They're allowed to have whatever opinion they want, aren't they? I personally wouldn't fly one and don't own one, but don't think someone who does is a traitor. You know who is a traitor? People who assault others for not agreeing with them. People who burn cities because they didn't get their way or because the other side legally passed a law they don't like. People who say, "To hell with the Supreme Court" and "Defy the laws of the US because we don't like them." Those are traitors.

Since you don't like my assertion that most on the Left remained silent during the protests in 2020, show me where I'm wrong and you spoke out against them.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Anybody who flys the Confederate battle flag and is an American citizen is a traitor to this country. Even 3rd graders can grasp that concept.

Are they put in the same category as the people who burn the American flag or nah? Too much MSNBC for this guy ^^^

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Are they put in the same category as the people who burn the American flag or nah? Too much MSNBC for this guy ^^^

Burning the American flag is generally a form of protest. What are those that fly the Confederate flag protesting? The inability to own black people?

For the sake of context, I don’t watch MSNBC or any other cable news stations. I’m not a member of any political party. I consider myself a moderate. I have views that are considered conservative and views that are considered liberal.

The people that think that an insurrection instigated by the POTUS, with assistance from members of Congress and other federal agencies, in an attempt to overturn the results of an election is the same thing as riots protesting the extrajudicial killing of a black man by police is disingenuous at best, and despicable at worst.

Or maybe they should stop watching Fox News.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm not saying the two are commensurate. Obviously being subjugated is far more serious and horrific than being unable to get married. My point was that the argument NorthDakota is trying to make against gay marriage can be copy and pasted and reused for any of these topics. Revert the decisions back to local legislatures because we know the governments in these shithole states will trample the rights the way we want them to be trampled.

What's your definition of a shithole state? The ones with low crime, low cost of living, and governments that work, or do you prefer the shithole variety with high crime, lots of shootings, homeless tent cities with people shooting heroin and shitting on the sidewalks, and inner cities that would embarrass most third world countries? You been to Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Detroit, or other far left cities and states in recent years? Dems control the governor's mansions, the state legislatures, the mayors' offices, the city council, the police departments, and the school boards in those places. No resistance at all to their policies. They run things just as they want. Look at the results.

Here's SF:
Even the NY Times called it among the world's most dire places. The most liberal city in the US. Here's your result.


This is Minneapolis, not Mogadishu.


Portland:


Seattle... I've been there recently and seen countless spots like this all over the city.


Detroit, once one of the wealthiest, most successful cities in the world is now this:



But just so we're clear on which ones are really the shithole places, here are a few of San Fran's, Seattle's and Portland's finest:

 

[SeekNDestroy]

What's your definition of a shithole state? The ones with low crime, low cost of living, and governments that work, or do you prefer the shithole variety with high crime, lots of shootings, homeless tent cities with people shooting heroin and shitting on the sidewalks, and inner cities that would embarrass most third world countries? You been to Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Detroit, or other far left cities and states in recent years? Dems control the governor's mansions, the state legislatures, the mayors' offices, the city council, the police departments, and the school boards in those places. No resistance at all to their policies. They run things just as they want. Look at the results.

Here's SF:
Even the NY Times called it among the world's most dire places. The most liberal city in the US. Here's your result.
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This is Minneapolis, not Mogadishu.
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Portland:
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Seattle... I've been there recently and seen countless spots like this all over the city.
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Detroit, once one of the wealthiest, most successful cities in the world is now this:
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But just so we're clear on which ones are really the shithole places, here are a few of San Fran's, Seattle's and Portland's finest:
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What’s your solution to the homelessness problem? Round them up and execute them?

 

[Bishop2b5]

What’s your solution to the homelessness problem? Round them up and execute them?

Nope. Cut out the leftist policies that destroyed those cities and created the homeless problem in the first place. Notice that ALL the blighted inner cities and ones with huge homeless problems are, as I noted in the OP, run by Dems. They control the governor's mansion, the state legislature, the mayor's office, the city council, the housing authority, the police department, and the school boards in those states and cities. Look at the results. See now why the rest of us don't want Dems in control of the country?

So, the Dems created the homeless problems and violence and drug issues in those places with their policies and now in a tough situation to deal with it. I feel sorry for the people affected, but hey, you voted for those who did this to your cities. Their policies and ideas clearly aren't working. Hmmm, maybe time to STOP electing the people who did this, stop following the policies that created this disaster, and, you know, actually think instead of feel and start making better decisions.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Burning the American flag is generally a form of protest. What are those that fly the Confederate flag protesting? The inability to own black people?

For the sake of context, I don’t watch MSNBC or any other cable news stations. I’m not a member of any political party. I consider myself a moderate. I have views that are considered conservative and views that are considered liberal.

The people that think that an insurrection instigated by the POTUS, with assistance from members of Congress and other federal agencies, in an attempt to overturn the results of an election is the same thing as riots protesting the extrajudicial killing of a black man by police is disingenuous at best, and despicable at worst.

Or maybe they should stop watching Fox News.

Calling Bishop25 a Confederate and insinuating he's racist with absolutely nothing to support the claim does not make you a moderate. It puts you into the lunatic bucket of people who scream "racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist" to anyone who disagrees with them. It's intellectually bankrupt.

The fact that you were silent and still can't bring yourself to criticize the BLM/ Antifa riots that destroyed people and property shows us all where you stand: you really don't give a shit because that violence was justified, while the Jan 6th riot was not OK because it was Trump voters. Thank you for making it all very clear and easy for us to see.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

[QUOTE="Polish Leppy 22, post: 3081395, member: 2950"
Calling Bishop25 a Confederate and insinuating he's racist with absolutely nothing to support the claim does not make you a moderate. It puts you into the lunatic bucket of people who scream "racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist" to anyone who disagrees with them. It's intellectually bankrupt.

The fact that you were silent and still can't bring yourself to criticize the BLM/ Antifa riots that destroyed people and property shows us all where you stand: you really don't give a shit because that violence was justified, while the Jan 6th riot was not OK because it was Trump voters. Thank you for making it all very clear and easy for us to see.
[/QUOTE]
The people who engaged in violence during the riots of summer’20 have been held accountable. The people who orchestrated the J6 insurrection have not been held accountable.

I’ve never said anything justifying anything the rioters did. But I’m guessing if I said I liked waffles, you would ask why I hated pancakes.

I do have some extreme views. I have strong feelings about Southern, white, descendants of traitors. Most of them are anti-American scum. Hate and bigotry is woven into their DNA. If it were up to me, I’d have them enslaved. Other than that, I’m pretty moderate 🤣

 

[Blazers46]

Someone orchestrated Jan 6th but we refuse to question if anyone orchestrated 2020 riots. What did someone encourage or orchestrate on Jan 6th that these other leftist politicians didn’t in 2020? Better yet what are the leftist politicians currently encouraging or orchestrating?

 

[Bishop2b5]

The people who engaged in violence during the riots of summer’20 have been held accountable. The people who orchestrated the J6 insurrection have not been held accountable.

I’ve never said anything justifying anything the rioters did. But I’m guessing if I said I liked waffles, you would ask why I hated pancakes.

I do have some extreme views. I have strong feelings about Southern, white, descendants of traitors. Most of them are anti-American scum. Hate and bigotry is woven into their DNA. If it were up to me, I’d have them enslaved. Other than that, I’m pretty moderate 🤣

The people who rioted, looted, burned, and murdered in the summer of '20 have by no means been held accountable. Very few have been charged with any serious crime and even fewer have been sentenced to prison.

I'll ask you again, show us where you condemned the rioting and looting and assaults in '20. You didn't like me claiming most on the left turned a blind eye to the violence, so here's your chance to prove me wrong. Show me where you condemned it.

Why would anybody of any race or culture or place be responsible for what their ancestors or previous occupants did? You really think guilt is passed along via DNA? Do you know how that works? Do you know that slavery was common throughout all of the US in the 1700's? Does your hereditary guilt only start after the early 1800's though? You slapped any Japanese children lately for Pearl Harbor? How about black kids in Africa since their ancestors living in their village rounded up and sold the slaves? Get the point about how ridiculous what you're claiming is?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The people who rioted, looted, burned, and murdered in the summer of '20 have by no means been held accountable. Very few have been charged with any serious crime and even fewer have been sentenced to prison.

I'll ask you again, show us where you condemned the rioting and looting and assaults in '20. You didn't like me claiming most on the left turned a blind eye to the violence, so here's your chance to prove me wrong. Show me where you condemned it.

Why would anybody of any race or culture or place be responsible for what their ancestors or previous occupants did? You really think guilt is passed along via DNA? Do you know how that works? Do you know that slavery was common throughout all of the US in the 1700's? Does your hereditary guilt only start after the early 1800's though? You slapped any Japanese children lately for Pearl Harbor? How about black kids in Africa since their ancestors living in their village rounded up and sold the slaves? Get the point about how ridiculous what you're claiming is?

You are a Confederate traitor. Your goal is to destroy this country because you’re butthurt over the Civil War. I don’t care about your thoughts, feelings, or opinions about anything having to do with the United States or it’s politics.

 

[ab2cmiller]

You are a Confederate traitor. Your goal is to destroy this country because you’re butthurt over the Civil War. I don’t care about your thoughts, feelings, or opinions about anything having to do with the United States or it’s politics.

This is getting ridiculous

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Just a little……

 

[Bishop2b5]

You are a Confederate traitor. Your goal is to destroy this country because you’re butthurt over the Civil War. I don’t care about your thoughts, feelings, or opinions about anything having to do with the United States or it’s politics.

C'mon, Mom. You had too much punch at bingo this afternoon. Go home. Love ya.

 

[Blazers46]

This is getting ridiculous

I kind of like him. It’s easy to get your point across when they are so transparent. Fits in nicely with that side.

 

[Blazers46]

C'mon, Mom. You had too much punch at bingo this afternoon. Go home. Love ya.

Really nice of the Confederates to have a bingo night.